HomeMy WebLinkAboutCCMin_68Sep19_SpecialSPECIAL. MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 19, 1968
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The special meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M, on September 19, 1968
with the following members present: Mayor Warkentien, Councilmen Black,
Stone and Ecklund. Also present was Treasurer Olsen, Fire Chief Helbig,
FD Treasurer Luey, Volunteer Fireman Renchin, Mrs. Berdie of the Planning Commi.s~ion,
and Mrs. Dachtera.
Fire Department: Mayor discussed Roseville and City of St. Paul contracts about
Fire Protection. Black presented the following figures:
Area Population Sleeper Budget
New Brighton 17,200 None $23,856.00
Falcon Heights (with new contract) 33,000.00
North St. Paul 12,000 None 28,600.00
Maplewood 25,000 3 stations, None 35,000.00 per station
White Bear Lake '} r' '' 38,000.00
Shoreview (contracts with Lake Johanna Fire Department)
Roseville Has Sleeper
# Has contract with three separate departments
Black: All other departments use the telephone system.
Luey: Get six monitors and use the telephone for the rest.
Give the monitors to the day men.
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Renchin: Disagree. The monitors are the best. They are
faster and there is no storm disruption.
Luey: Should have sleepers for a year or so.
Stone and Black said that that was the Council's thinking.
Renchin: Safety factor - No need to hurry if truck monitor
reports no flame or heavy smoke, may only be
investigating.
Olsen: What size is the set?
Renchin: Ecklund has specifications. (Norm review the
spec.) Every Roseville man has a monitor.
Black: Who gives the alarm?
Renchin: Sheriff Dispatcher.
Warkentien: Special phone installation necessary?
Ecklund: Yes. We would have to contract for a period of time.
The telephone bill would be about $1,800.00 a year
for cline monitors. Life can reasonably be estimated
at twenty years.
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Black: Any chance of overloading Sheriff's Dispatcher?
Renchin: Ramsey County has two frequencies - one especially for
fire calls. Rose ville has four fm~uencies:
1) Ramsey County Sheriff Dispatcher, 2) To Station 1,
3) To Station 2, and !~) Truck to Truck.
" Stone: What is Sheriff's charge?
Renchin and Ecklund rep lies about $25.00.
Renchin: FCC licensing already provided by Sheriff.
Stone: Can we put in base radio unit in the future?
Renchin: Yes, but present contemplated plan is for a
single channel.
Black: How marry men respond?
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Helbig: Last 11 calls averaged 9 men - including one paid man.
Seed: Would new system cause more men to respond?
Black: Yes, telephone call systems sometimes breaks off.
Stone: Would you continue weekly drills?
Helbig, Luey Yes. Luey: Would continue to need it even more.
and Renchin:
Mrs. Berdie: What about emergency calls?
Warkentien: Would continue. Volunteers highly trained in
first aid under Dachtera and Renchin. Sheriff
Sheriff can't provide some services - such as
resuscitator. Also, two men needed on some calls
for stretcher bearers, etc.
Ecklund: What changes in First Aid under new system?
Helbig: Would suggest a rescue squad of about six men; they
could rotate assignment.
Black: Would not delay and in some cases it would
speed-up service.
Mrs. Berdie: Still do not understand budget figures.
Black: Under present system, the 1969 Budget would be about
$33,000.00.
Ecklund reviewed proposed budget for Mrs. Berdie.
Ecklund to Black: Any per capita figure?
Black: New Brighton - $1.50, Still would be 2.50 per capita
Now 5.00, Falcon Heights.
Stone: Would be more than cutting it in half.
Warkentien: We could serve a larger area. We did try to get
more but Roseville Fire Department turned it down
so as not to lose the•2~ for Fire Department Relief
Fund. .
• Black: Response on night calls?
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Helbig: No problem there.
Renchin & Luey: All Roseville sleeper does is start the truck,
open the door and go to bed. The firemen do
not see absolute need for sleeper.
Luey: Radio would direct men directly to fire. Some now
have to go to fire station to find out where to go.
Renchin: Communications is aspect that will help.
Stone: (To Renchin) Any objection to sleepers?
Renchin: Procedure will be more important.
Lue~C': Men will develop more responsibility.
Mrs. Berdie: Can all volunteers drive?
Helbig: All trained but do not have chaufeur's license.
Renchin: Are chauffeur's licenses really necessary?
Stone: (To Peter Seed) Please check this poa.nt.
Black: On insura~.ce renewal, we can switch to Non-Owners
Liability Policy which would insure individual ~
firemen without need of asking each fireman to
provide his own insurance.
Mrs. Berdie: How would new set up operate in daytime?
Helbig & Luey: Will assign drivers for a period of time - day,
week, etc.
Warkentien: (To Mrs. Berdie) Citizens do not realize what a
highly=trained volunteer department we do have.
Stone: We have about 60 calls a year on the average.
Black: White Bear per capita is $1.73.
Stone to Seed: Did you find anymore on fire department relief levy?
(Seed advised he had not) I'm using 1-2 mills.
That will be ~5,572.l~2 = l2 mills.
Black: Involves, Mrs. Berdie, in making our fire department
relief fund actuarily sound.
Helbig: Will try to cut down or eliminate widows' pension
on non-duty death.
TnTarkentien: Does law hamper at all? (Helli.~ advised no.)
Seed: Would bind.
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Warkentien: Suggest Fire Department get together with
Council and get something we can live with and re-
submit it to the legislature.
Luey: Great cost is widow's benefit.
Can we change amortization to ~.0 instead of 20 years?
Seed: Roseville has not set time for amoritization.
Stone: The 20 against 1~0 kills us,
Seed: Would recommend having legislature adopt
Roseville legislation -Gives much greater flexibility.
Black to Seed: Send Helbig copy of Roseville bill.
Warkentien: Explained legislation on relief fund to ~Irs. Berdie.
Blomberg Light: Discussed the light for Blomberg's block.
Recreation Mtg: Black told Mrs. Berdie about the recreation meeting.
Sidewalks: Warkentien mentioned possible sidewalk on north side of Garden.
Split cost among Village, School District, County and possible
assessments.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 P.M.
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