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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCCMin_63Jun19_Special1932 SPECIAL MEETIF+TG OF JUNE 19, 1963 The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P. M. with the following members being present: Harold Nilsen, Mayor; George Shavor, Trustee; W. A. Mortenson, Clerk; Willis Warkentien, Trastee; Charles P, Stone, Trustee. Also present were Brad Lemberg Engineer, Attorney M. J. Galvin, William E. Olsen, Treasurer, and Tina Vavoulis, Deputy Clerk. Warkentien moved, seconded by Shavor to accept the minutes of the regular meeting of June 12, 1963. All ayes. May+~r Nilsenss vacations Mayor Nilsen will be on vacation from June 29 until August 10 and during his absence, George Shavor will be acting Ma3ror. Bearer problem at 1583 F~igineer Lemberg advised that there was a five foot Hollyarood Courts 2 x 2 found in the clay pipe in the street that was causing the trouble. Ads. Jacobi submitted bills she had paid out the past 15 months and wants to knoar who wi11 pay for them. No action was taken. Hearing on Proposed At Ss00 P. M, the special meeting was recessed and Assessment of Water Main Mayor Nilsen opened the Hearing on Proposed Assessment Improvement of 1963: for Water Main Improvement of 1963. Approximately 90 persons were present. Clerk Mortenson read the Notice of Hearing,. and atmounced it was published in the Suburban Life Nearspaper on June 5th and June 12th anti that mailed notice had been given as required by lair. Opening statement as to the need for the water main extension was made by Mayor Nilsen. Engineer Lemberg explained the details as to method and cost. l~ihen the original notice went wut, Roselawn Avenuue from Fairview to Tatum was left out and not printed in the legal newspapers, therefore, the Roselaavn Avenue conn- ection is to be discussed, although publication is not complete, and final action may be taken next week. Mayor Nilsen advised that informs]. petitions had produced more than 35~ in favor of the improvement. Of 17 residents on Fry Street, 7 were in favor; of 22 residents on Fairview, 10 were in favor; of 52 residents on Tatum, 37 were in favor; and of t~.in Falcon Woods, 15 were in favor. Mayor Nilsen read from attorney's letter written in 1959 stating that the 9illage has no power to compel hoaeowners to connect to water 3n the absence of a situation where the health of the people is endangered. Peter Met3ough After water is in, are we going to put in storm sewers? 1977 Summer Streets I would 3ust as .soon sea it go in noar. Ea1gin®ar Lemberg: At the present time there are no plans for installing storm searers. This has been brought up many times 1933 throughout the Village. There is no place to run storm searers. We would have to go into a combined program with Roseville, the Slats Fair Grounds, and the University of Minnesota. To bring these four organizations together takes a lot of work and study and the others are not available to listen to this. Jan L. Jansen 1610 Maple Knolls I understand the Maple Knoll has a water main in. Is it the intention to assess us again at the same rate? Attorney Galvin: The notices were sent out to P~aple Kno17. because it appears from preliminary engineering studies that there will be a benefit to that area in that increased water pressure will result. No assessment on a front foot basis there, but that i.s nor hooked up to the East side of the Village, which will be closed off and you will be hooked up to the West side of the Village with better service and higher pressure resulting. An assessment charge against the homes on a basis substantially less than the homes involved i.n the other proceedings, Not a frontage basis but a hook up charge. In this particular instance, the matter had been discussed at a previous meeting and I think the Council. stated a hook up charge to those homes for the increase in pressure. Jansen: What would the benefit be to that particular area? Lemberg: You have 1~ meters noon. You could sooitch over to 3/}an meters and the cost to you for the hook up charge would be taken - care of by fine opportunity of reducing your sewer rental cost. Jansen: Has there been any indication as to what this might cost? N31sen: Based upon-,the future development West of Snelling, and eorr- sidering the vacant property, a survey was made considering the estimated number of residences. A connection charge was established. The rate for 3/~." meter - X60.00 L. E. Vanek To the engineer regarding pipe and servicing. There is a 1665 Gard®n Ave.: 6~ main that comes by my house. Lemberg: 3/4to meters would reduce your sewer rental rate. Paul Miller M.Y' understand3.ng is that the enti>~e charge for that area i.s lb5t~ Maple Knoll: X860.00. Nilsen: For those homes presently connected -yes. Miller: There is a ds~ water main - I have a 1" meter, would X860.00 be divided among all the property sooners? Nilsens To those presently connected. To those not connected, putting a nene~ serv3.ee on a home, the charge would be $60.00. E. Hales T~Te built a house three years ago and put in a water system, 1771 Frye and therefore, I am against this, Hewever, i.f the water i.s put in on one side of the street, would a feeder line be brought across the strut to each lot as part of this assessment, or would each individual. on the opposite side of the street have to make a connection? ' 1931 Lemberg: Under this project, we would install the water main along the street. Also included in that cost is the cost of extending the service line from the main to the property line and putting an the shut off valves. This will be run off into both sides. Taking the entire project cost, dividing it by assessable footage. Each lot wiU. have a service connection at the time, if and when the paro3ect gees through. Robert Teig®n why is it necessary that the Maple Knoll area be turned around? 1656 Garden: why wouldn~t our supply be better if left this way? Lemberg: We will end up with 50# pressure on the West side of Snelling Avenue, not on the East sid®. The City of St. Paul said that if any of these lines are put in, this entire area will be fed from there and the valves will. have to be shut off from the East side, so that these lines are complete loops. they must be looped or we have dead water or dead lines. Nilsens Over the years, there has been a very pronounced pressure problem. wm. Korstad The pressure is much better over the last couple years since 162 Garden Avenue: the Highland Park Reservoir was put in. That is when we had our water studies. The last couple years it hasntt been too bald. I am interested in knowing if the University of Minnesota is going to contribute on all the lines going -through their property. Nilsen: we are going to approach the problem with a frontal attack. Galvin: We have published the notice including University property. I have had several conversations with their attorney. There is a special statute which covers improvements on government oened property. The statute does ~ovide for assessments. Ho~rever, the University has not made a study themselves to decide they will necessarily benefit. And they advise us that the 1963 Legislature did not appropriate funds to pay assessments in St. Paul, Yinne~ olis, or Duluth. In this instance, they did not receive those this year, consequently, they cannot pay the assessments. It i.s the feeling of the Council, the engineer, the attorney that there is a benefit to the University property.. There is a complex procedure and it will be some time before we known whether the Legislature will. appropriate the funds. We are proposing to assess them as it is under a particular statute. P. L. Navtzer~ what assurance do we have that St. Paul will supply us with 1720 St. Maiy~s: adequate water and if such fails, what will happen? Lemberg: we have approached the Director of water in St. Paul and he has put on record that this pressure will be available if this project does go through. And we do have the double connection so in case of a failure of one or the other, we will still have an adequate supply. They have assured us ths,t the water and pressure will be available. Navtzeny: Isntt it evident that the City of St. Paul i.s going into the water, business? Are we getting to the point where we are going to be captive? Lemberg: No. Insofar as Roseville is putting in their ovm supply or reservoir. 1935 Navtzeny: St. Paul is expanding their system and I recall that not too long ago, West St. Paul was dictated to by St, Pant. Nilsen: As far as the force of the metropolitan community is concerned, the picture has changed. The parent cities are recognizing the needs and it is inconceivable that they will allour a deterioration of their system so as not to provide enough. The change of attitude is a forurard change. Navtzer~y: Are we assured? I,embergs We have received a letter from them and that is why they tell us about closing valves from the West Side of Snelling. George Macomber I, too, am opposed. Hoer will the Council reach a decision 1776 No. Frye as to ~ehether or not it will be included? ATi1seII: By vote Of the GOUnci1. Macomber: To what degree do you weigh the petitions? Nilsen: We must consider them. Macomber: Hour do you weigh the vote? Just on one item or do you have a systematic procedure? Nilsen: We have the feeling of the people here. We have the petitions by written signatures. The studies that the Council has made over a long period of time. The problems of the future. All of these thitrgs are factors. Upon petition of 35~ of property ou+mers, etc. I dontt think ~ure would be having this tonight unless the people felt this is something to be considered. We who moved into the areas recognized, that these things were coming and we bet that maybe they would not come while we were living here. We must realize this population explosion has forced these things. Problems of growth create this thing. The Council must weigh the benefits, detriments, etc. Certainly it4s tough, rest tough. Richard B. Davis It appears to me fleet this is being presented as a package 1869 Moore: program. ' not specific sections and allow them to vote as to whether they want it or not. The reason is, I have invested X7.000 isi a near water system. Is there any reason why the Council catmot weight the vote of those here as well as the petitions. I never sa~r a petition. Nilsen: I do not know about petitions in the Falcon Woods area. We have had problems in connection with these pro3ects. I think certainly some of the cost factors too must be considered. Davis: Can this project be considered as a unit if we in Falcon Woods do not want it? Alilsen: One-third of the property owners have signed. McGough: Hour long do we have to pay for the assessment? Nilsen: TuPenty years is normal at 6~ interest.. Assessments are payable duz'ing ~*' year by paying befoPe the end of the year. 1936 Mrs. Lester Gill What is this going to do to our taxes? 1765 St. Maryts: Nilsen: There is an increase tp the land assessments. TNhen we talk abort takes, are you separating taxes from the assessment? Mrs. Gills Yes; we are paying ~].OO a month taxes raw. Helmut Volk Stale water if there is a dead end to the main. It looks to uae 1$62 No. Howell: that I am located at the end of a line here. Lembergs There will be a complete loop here (pointing on map). There is land here which probably will be developed, and the lines will be dropped dash and opened up. F. Lloyd Hanson I got a petition one night and the next day I got the notice. 1938 Autumn: As far as I kncm there is at least one petition and maybe taro. If everyone didn~t see it, it is most likely the neighbor did not pass it on. I understand this is an assessment on frontage only. I have a corner lot. Lemberg: Yes, that is correct. Mr. Leo S. Ohman The assessment for our area waald include putting in the 3/l~.a 1635 Garden: meter. we have been paying terrific premium for lour pressure. have paid for a six inch main from Fry to St. ~aryts - t~iat would be included in the loop? Lembergs No. The meter is not included in the cost. Nilsens If the meter is inside, the charge is X3.00 per connection, if on the outside X5.00. J. M. Me(~regor On our street there are 20 people who are not served by water. 1795 No. Fairview: You m®ntion 22 people on t~iie petition. Are the apartments already served there anci were they allo:red to sign? They already have their systems in. Lemberg: They will be benefited by increased pressure. Nilsen: The apartments are not on the peitt3.on. Mr. Sommers, Bob Dowdell - they are the ones who have water. We have ten signatures here. (Names on petition were read.) McGregor: Hoer much of this is in the interest of the people interested in building in the Lindig addition and thespartments being put up? I dontt see why we should have to pay. Nilsens Last summer a petition went up Tatum Street and at that time there were a lot of signatures. This summer the people stopped me on the street and asked me about water, I have had calls from a gentleman on St. Marys Avenue. The people on Tatum - 70~ have signed. Zhe problems arose in other areas and a gentleman on Fairvieervrr took petitions. So, it would seem to me that theapart- a:ents had nothing to do with it. McGregor: There are pe#,i.tions for this, but none against it, so the ones for it are organized and the ones against it are unorganized. 193? McGougha Haar will extensive University p~ro~ect affect the pressure? Lemberg: The pro3ect established is based. on a saturated population, Stanley Schult,~ I understand that the service from the near water tank that 1725 DTo. F2~r: some people on Raymond Avenue have trouble on the second floor -very poor pressure. How can we be assured the same will not happen? Lembergs These people may be on the old one inch line or they may be considerably higher over there. Nilsens Height of the land and height of the water tower -some older homes may be because of the piping being clogged. Schultze I am concerned about the cost. Roseville is getting their water for ~l~.00 a fo~at. How come w® have to pay X7.00? Brooklyn Centre. is getting it cheaper too.. Lemberg: ~e don't have a higher priced contractor - we don't have a contractor. The cost they have is the cost that has been bid, This year we have gotten lower prices on cast 3.r9an pipe. The cost we have is an estimated cost based on an average cost over the years. Nilsen: This is a complete pro3ect. The restoration of the streets costs money too. If you investigate Rosevill.e~ that does not include any service cormection to the lot line and that is why theirs is so lost. dots includes it. James Janos The asin on Tatum - I thought it was a three inch? 17118 Tatums Lemberg: No, a six inch. Jaross Y+Ihen I put my surer in I put my water main into property line. water Departussnt said put 1~" main or will they put in what they see fit? As long as I have 1~' water service, T want it. Lembergs You notify the Council as to what you was t. 1+h"s. James Sowder wonst this reduce our fire insurance rates somewhat? 175. Tatum: Shavor: At one time there was a die tinetion in the rates between the hydrant and the non-~irant areas and they have given us special consideration so that all of Falcon Heights is i.n Class 7. We have been having the advantage of the lower fire rate without hydrants, Herzm~ss They tell me 5CT/# of water press~e. we haven't got 3f~ dawn here. Lemberg: At the present time you are hooked on to the Snelling Line. Hermes The people on St. Mary's would have to put it in? Harley Otto I am opposed. 7n the event it doss go through, why should 18l~7 No. Fairvierws the assessment be based on a front foot instead of each residence. The benefit is the same. 193$ Nilsen: Historically a]1 of these assessments have been based on a front foot assessment. It is apparently pretty well established by precedent. Lemberg: Reason for this is that i.t Costs that much more to get from this house to this house. The person who has the long lot is paying for it. If there is a l~00 foot lot and a 50 foot lot, you can see where more would be needed from the }~00 foot lot to the next. Mc(~egors 11Pe would also b® paying a lot for University land in addition to the coat of our awn lot. Se~ven..dollars a foot on an assessed valuation when a lot of it is done. Nilsen: We are assessing the University. There is no cost to your property for that. The money will come in the future when tMe University wants to connect. Mrs. xittleson On Fry Street - rostore the driveways -ours is concrete. I 1718 Fry: have friends who have wide cracks i.n their concrete Haar. Lemberg: The concrete driveways would be cut off at a point and you would not even know it had been talaen out. ~e have made a policy of cutting off at a point. Lee: 1718 Fry is not affected by this water main inasmuch as the watermain is part of the way up Fry. C. Hooker bt the risk of alienating my neighbors, I am in favor of it. 1756 St. Marys:: It seems inevitable it will happen. I am frankly trying to preserve ~ awn interest. The need for water service 3.s evident. It seems to me that the time has come that we mast recognize a proper water system. In the event I would want to sell mpr property, it will be easier with water in front of my house. I support the pro3ect and I would beg Those who have the same concern that it is far better to do it now and not wait till the well goes dry. The water will have to come in some time, so why not nrnr? Thor ICommedahl V~hat is the cost on the average for water service? 18l~O W. Roselawn: Mortenson: Our charge for the water was X7.50 for three months this last quarter. Robert Lucas I would like to speak in the same vein as this other gentleman. 1891 Tatum: I recognize that we are all going to need water sooner or later. I hope it goes i.n one day before our well goes bad. I dust think we ought to recognize this. Nona of these wells should ever have gone in in the first place, but nothing tc> re-create this can be done Haar. Hans Schixrmeister The proposed Lindi.g area - is that village stxeet or private? 1779 Tatum: Lemberg: Village road and assessed to the Lindig property. The road will be placed completely on the Lindig property and not on Fairvi.ear. •. J. Struck I think we should put it all in Haar. St. Paul may not agree later 1805 Tatvm: ~~ I ~~ we w~, be safe if we put it in. I have well water Haar but I think we should put the whole system in Hour. 1939 Nilsens We knoar that Falcon Woods has-been 3.n existence only a short time. We do have these problems of cost involved ana there is a certain amount of benefit when an entire area is done. We have suffered on piece-meal projects. Nobody likes to pay this, Janos: I am going to be sleeping better nights if I know it wi11 be in. ? Put this up to a vote of the people assembled. There is a large undeveloped area to the south of us. Nilsen: How may people from Falcon Woods #2 here? Seven hamds. How ~Y are 3n favor? Five. n ? Haw about the whole group? Nilsen: Falcon ~Yoods #]. -haw many people here? Five hands. Hear many are in favor? Five. Attorney Galvin.: You might state that one member only of a family should raise his hand. Nilsen: Hear mares people from Tatum? Tare2ve. Tsn in favor, How marXy people from Fairviear? Fivs. Three in favor. How many people from Fry? Six. Three in favor. How mar~r people from St, ~laryts? Tsn. Four in favor. Hoar many people from Roselawn? One. One ixi favor. Nilsen: Are there a~ more questions? D.P. Shannon There are problems with wells -such as pump failures, We 1890 Tatum: called in one pump man and he said there was trouble and we couldn~t do anything about it. Anot~r pump man said the type of rods in well had slivers. In four to five tries, we paid ~t00 to X500 for repairs to our well. Nilsen: One of the problems is rest in the system. Jerry Roch We have a rust situation at our house, Nothing has bean done 1791 Tatum: tcs our ~rsll since 19lt8. Now it is throwing rust. I replaced the tank and now T still have rust. George Croft: T have paid already X1.800 for water. ~' should I pay X800 more? Macomber: I would like to thank the Mayor and the Council for assessing the front footage. M.Y lot is l20 feet in the back and b0 feet in the front. Nilsens There being no more questions, the Clerk will read the Resolution as prepared. 19l~0 RESOLUTION ORDERII3G IMPROV~'ENT AND PREPARATION OF PLANS FOR THE MATER MAIAT EXTENSIQN OF 1963 IN THE VILLAGE OF FALCON HEIt~iTS. WFIEREAS, a resolution of the Village Council adopted the 22nd day of May, 1963, fixed a date for a council hearing on the proposed improvement of the fo7lovring streets: i. Tatum Avenue from Larpenteur Avenue to Roselawn Avenue. 2. Fairview Avenue from Larpenteur Avenue to Roselaxn Avenue. 3. Fry Street from Larpenteur Avenue to Garden Avenue. ?~. S t. Mary's Avenue from Larpenteur Ave. to Maple Knoll Dr. ~. Garden Avenue from Fry Street to Snelling Avenue. 6, Maple Knoll Dr. from Fry Street to Garden Avenue. 7. Autumn Avenue from Roselawn to Prior Avenue. 8. Sumer Street from Moore Avenue to Howell Avenue. 9. Prior Avenue from Roselawn Avenue South to a point 90.l~1a. feet South of the Southerly boundary of Summer St. 10. Larpenteur Ave. from Cleveland Ave. to Tatum Avenue. 11. Cleveland Ave. from Dudley Strut to Larpenteur Avenue, l2. Lindig Avenue extended and'as presently platted from Larpenteur Avenue to a point 1267,25 feet North of Larpenteur Avenue, by installation of 6n water mains and lot services on the streets indicated above. AN13 WHEREAS, ten days published notice of the Hearing through two weekly publications of the required notice was given and the Hearing was held thereon on the 19th day of Jvne, 1963, at ~srhich all persons desiring to be heard were given an opporttmity to be heard thereon, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUIJCZL OF THE VILLAGE OF FALCON AEIQiTS s 1. Such improvement is hereby ordered as proposed in the Council resolution adopted May 22, 1963. 2. Bonestroo, Rosene, and Associates are hereby designated as the Village Consulting Engineers for this improvement. They shall prepare plans and specifications for the making of such improvement. Adopted by the Council this 19th day of June, 1463. 1 ~Q ortensan, C erk ar en, o Nilsen moved that the Resolution as read by the Clerk be adopted by the Council. Ayes: Nilsen, Mortenson, Shavor, Stone, Warkentien. Nays None. The Hearing concluded at 10:05 P. M. 191.x. Civil Defense: Stanley Schultz advised the Council he needed help for filling remainder of Civil Defense plastic bags and cans with water. Beloved by Stone, seconded by Warkentien to allcyw ~1.U0 m~X~nnm, for hiring boys to help complete -dii.s task. All ayes. Falcon Heights Church Parking Lot: William Korstad was present to advise the Council. the parking lot was going to be extended and would be in accord with Resolution adopted by the Council at a special hearing on April 21~, 1958, Stone moved, seconded by Shavor that the Falcon Heights Congregational Church be permitted to extend the parking nor existing on Lot 18 to the Northerly limit of said lot, without reducing the volumetric area in accordance with plans and specifications of the Village Engineer. All ayes. Traffic problem on Attorney Galvin will look into the legality of putting "No St, Marys and Naple Through Traffic" signs in this. area, Engineer Lemberg will Knoll Drives investigate signs as tc3 feasibility of certain signs. Attorney Galvin: Council was advised that i.t has never adopted the parking lot ordinance. This was brought up in view of the many complaints arising from the drainage and dint around Lidos Parking Lot Cafe and the State Fair Car mash. Ordinance 64, Section 14.2 Ordinance: does not pertain to them. The solution to this problem would be to adopt the Parking Lot Ordinance. It would be possible for the attorney to have this ordinance available at the next meeting. Insvranc® Shavor moved, seconded by V~arkentien that the Village extend CoiTerage for its insurance coverage to cover this association. A11 ayes. W, Falcon Hts. Playgr. Assn.: Art Lindig We will not need any legal notices far this inasmuch as 100 Developments of property owners are in favor as Lindig is the only one, and no public hearing will be necessary. Suburban Life We are not getting adequate publication from this paper, and Legal Paper: in view of this, the possibility of changing to another one was discussed, Tabled until tree next meeting. Skildum Variance: Shavor moved, seconded by Bdortenson to approve the Variance and the following Resolution was adopted: WHEREAS, Skildvm Construction Company has made an application for a Variance Permit at Simpson and Roselawn RESOLUTION (Lot ]b, Block 3 of Juhl's Roselawn Addition #2) in the Village of Falcon Heights, and a copy of said variance complies with the applicable ordinances, and 1 1 WHFf~EAS, the P1.anning Commission of said Village has approved the Variance and recommended same to the Village Council. with the stipulation that the 30 feet set back of the building may be changed to aut3~.orize only a 2y.~. feet set back on Roselawl Avenue, 19l~2 1 Change of Sig- natures on Baxil~ Card: aro sen, or N09'l, THEREFORE, HE IT RESOLVED THAT SAID APPLICATION for Variance is hereby approved and the clerk is instructed to fox~rar~ a copy to the building inspector and instruct hin to issue the required building permit. rtenson, er Moved by ~7arkenti.en, seconded by Shavor that the folloiaring Resolution be adopted. All ages. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SIGNING OF CHECKS OR DRAFTS This certifies that according to the Bye-Laves and Regulations of this Corporation those officers whose names appear on the reverse side of the card are together authorized to sign checks or drafts against the funds of this Corporation. All checks will require three signatures. Charles P. Stone, W. A. ~ortenson, gym. E.Olsen 1 Application for Conditional,-Use Permit -Salute Auto Parts yor Dated June 2 0, 1963. ..~5'~~, ler ~7 The deputy clerk was instructed to request the Huber Sign Co. to send a sketch of the sign and the letters that will be installed on the ex%sting sign. Ad~ourn:esnt: On motion, the meeting was ad3ourned at 11:35 P.~. ~~ Signed ~ C erk Approved: ~~~ ~ ;;~;~., y~