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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCCMin_60Feb251371 REGULAR MEETING FEBRUARY 25, 1960. Meeting was called to order at 7s00 P. M., the following Council Members being presents Harold C. Nilsen, Mayor;.George J. Shavor, Trustee; Paul Coppini, Trustee. Also present were Wm. E. Olsen, Treasurer, Vern L, Ljungren, Engineer; Frank N. Graham, Village Attorney; and Ethel E. White, Dep. Clerk and Dep. Treas. Absent: Wm. R. Utecht, Clerk and Willis Warkentien, Trustee. The Minutes of the regular meeting of February 11th, 1960 were approved as submitted. Planning Mayor Nilsen read the letter from the Planning Commission wherein they recommended that the Council buy 30 additional copies of Planning RepArt, Part 1 survey, and that a copy be sent to the Rose Tribune, the St. Paul paper, the Minneapolis Paper, the Business Men's Commercial Club, the University of Minnesota, Att. Dean Macy, and advise the Public that copies are available at the office at X2.25 each. Shavor suggested that a copy be sez:t to the League of Women Voters. After discussion, it xaa moved by Nilsen, seconded by Shavor and unanimously voted to order 15 copies at this time with the possibility that we may order another 15 when Part 2 of the survey is completed. Northern Letter of February 19th from John F, Merriam, President, Northern Natural Gas Co. Natuural Gas Comparsy, Omaha, Nebraska was read, It outlined their thoughts op taxes applying to regulated industries. After dis- Walkway, cussion, the letter was filed. Mayor Nilsen read report of survey made b Faleon H i P ht li y g e s o cemen Vacation of covering use of Walkway between 1860 and 186. No. Pascal from Holton to Pascal as follows 2/`lb/60, 2s50 to 3:30 P, M. 19 Children crossed area east to west 2/17/60, 2s50 to 3s15 P. M. 16 a n n n cR n 2/18/60, 2:50 to 3;15 P. M. 13 Boys crossed area west to east 2/19/b0, 2:50 to 3s15 P. M. 2 Children walked east from Pascal to Holton. Larpenteur Attorney Graham delivered tiro copies of the oronosed~assessment Avenue water- for the Larpenteur Avenue Watermain and Pumping Station, Aud. No. main 151 - M. A, No. 38, dated February 23rd, 1960. Ljungren delivered map showing total assessable footage platted 133.58' on the south side of Larpenteur, 282lt.82~ on the north side, total assessable ltlb8.h0~ at X7.25 per foot, or a total of X30,220.90. Policing Attorney Graham reported he had contacted the Fair Grounds re- Fairgrounds carding policing and had been advised that they propose to enforce their regulations by deputizing their watchman who has been provided with a car with a flasher signal and has been instructed to batrol the streets in the fairgrounds and arrest violators. The watchman does this in connection with his constant patrol of the buildings in the fairgrounds. Fire Pre- Nilsen discussed briefly the tyro books on Fire Prevention which vention Fire Chief Gordon Nelson had borrowed from Columbia Heights and `~ turned them over to Trustee Shavor for study. The Deputy Clerk was instructed to writ~3 Freitag of the National Board of Fire Underwriter's requesting a copy of recommended Fire Prevention 1372 Ordinance. Civil Shavor reported he had attended the meeting on Civil Defense Defense with the Fire Department. Mrs. Phil Hagen, Ramsey County Deputy Civil Defense Director, had given a short talk in which she pointed out that Falcon Heights and taro other villages were the only villages in the County which had not organized a Civil Defense Group. They have a County Organization; they have monthly meetings, at which the Public is welcomed. Our group is interested in organizing so they can get some share of the funds and the privilege of buying surplus items. Shavor moved that the Falcon Heights Council go on record as requesting the County Civil Defense Organization to conduct a School on Rescue Aid for our Fire Department. Seconded by Coppini and carried. The meetings are open to anybody inter- ested. The Deputy Clerk was instructed to contact Mrs. Phil Hagen, Deputy Civil Defense Director, regarding setting up the school. Water Letter of February 12, 1960 from the Federal Housing Administra- tion, signed by Wallace E. Berg, Director, was read. Letter advised they were enclosing their circular letter #78 which delineate their policy on Water Supply Systems, and advised if the present situation worsens in any community and. concrete steps .have not been taken to provide a central water system, they will give serious consideration to immediate withdrawal for FHA par- ticipation. Letter #78 specifies, among other things, that ~ applications on existing properties be accompanied by a state- ment from a competent well driller or other knowledgeable source that the well extends at least !t0 feet below the seasonal low water table. Also that a currently dated report from a competent independent laboratory that the water shows no evidence of bacterial or chemical polution of domestic or industrial origin. The Deputy Clerk was instructed to send copies of both letters to George Croft, Building Inspector, requesting that people applying for permits be advised of this situation if there is a possibility that they will be drilling wells, at the time the building permit is issued. Walkway, Letter of February 25th from Milner W. Carley & Associates was Improvement of, read. It advised: We have prepared the following preliminary estimate of cost to construct a five foot wide concrete walk through the walkway easement in Barthel Villas: 1508 sq ft 4" thick concrete walk 784.16 18 lip ft 2~e CM culvert 126.00 67 yds of sod 26.80 2 loads fill material 15.00 Preliminary est. contt. cost 9 1.96 10% Engr., legal, etc. 95.20 10 7.1 They have not included in the above estimate any costs of landscaping or sodding outside the area disturbed by con- struction, etc. Dogs George W. Croft, 1700 St. Marys, complained about the dogs running all over the neighborhood. The Deputy Clerk was instructed to get in touch with B&E Patrol. 1373 ?cater Vern Ljungren read copy of letter received by him from Leonard Thompson, General Manager, Water Department, 5t. Paul, in which he advised they will dive careful consideration to the request of Falcon Heights for a hook-up to the 5t. Anthony Tank on Cleveland Avenue and advise as to their conclusions as soon as possible. Financial Treasurer Olsen reported George Anderson expects to have the Statement Financial statement ready for the printer next week. Streets Ed Pennig's letter to Commissioner Salverda was read. The letter referred to snow, ice and dust. Ljungren said he thought the trouble with the dust was not due to the fact that the sand used for sealcoating was not swept up but due to the fact that the mat was laid when the weather was too cold and its disintegra- tion. Ljungren also feels that the trouble at the Larz~enteur- Snelling Intersection is due to this fact rather than the tunneling the village did at the time the watermain was connected. Coppini reported cars are still driving up over the curb on the south side of Larpenteur in front of the business district be- cause there is so much snrnr there you can't see the curb and drivers think the crosswalk is a street opening. Coppini suggested pre-cast curb at the sidewalk line. Ljungren said he thought the business men might object to it because it would make snow removal more difficult. Ljungren thinks it would be better if the blacktop were dropped about ~t". This should prevent the water covering the sidewalks as it now does. Nilsen moved that the Engineer be instructed to write Harry 3ronson, County Engineer, regarding the unsatisfactory maintenance and condition of Larpenteur Avenue. Seconded by Coppini and carried. Ljungren advised most villages line up their plans for street work in March, and it was recommended that he do likewise for Falcon Heights. Public At this point, Mayor Nilsen recessed the regular meeting to Hearing conduct a public hearing. HEARING ON PROPOSED L~ulPROVEMENT OF FAIRVIEW AVENUE Fi3C VYATERA~IAIN ExTENSION FROM L~RPENTEUR AVENUE TO A POINT 1162 feet North of Larpenteur Avenue at an estimated cost of X3,688,00. Mayor Nilsen read Legal Notices as published and posted, also the Affidavit of Publication by the Rose Tribune. Walter Sipess How far do you plan to extend the watermain? Ljungren: 436' - past the corner lot plus 3 more lots. It would go up to the center of the second vacant lot. Sipess Haw much would it cost? Ljungren: Apraroximately X63,688.00. Sipess How much will I be assessed on mY corner lot? Ljungren: You will be assessed for the full frontage on Larnenteur ,'L 137l~ Avenue, 158.62'. Your lot is 215.12' deep. We figure 126.75' as normal depth, leaving at least another 88.37' lot on Fairview. You would not be assessed for the 126.75' but you would be assessed for 88.37' on Fairview. Sipes: Haw many pieces of property will this watermain serve? L3ungren: 3 lots besides yours. Sipes: Don't the other people want the water extended all the way? L3ungren: This petition covers only the first 1162' north of Larpenteur. Sipes: How many signers did they have? L~ungren: 35~ of the frontage Sipes: I had a call from the owner right north of me. It is going to be quite an assessment against that corner lot. '?hero families would give you 35~. Is the planning finished? Nilsent We have Part 1 of the report navr. It deals principally with the present land use and the economic survey. The Planning Consultants will meet with the Planning Board to report their recommendations in about a month. Dowdells I would be the last lot. Do I have to pay for the whole width of the lot? L~ungren: You would be assessed for your whole frontage now, but nothing more when the watermain is laid the rest of the way up the street. Nilsens We all know and realize the ideal situation would have been to extend the water as the village was developed, but the City of St. Paul wouldn't agree to further extension until recently. Nair we have the problem of double expense. It seems foolish and costly to permit people to drill wells and then come along with the watermain in another year or so. The watermain is on Larnenteur Avenue paw and available to the side streets. Our thought has been that the extension of water along Fairview and Tatum would have to wait until a representative percentage of the people wanted water. An informal petition was taken on Fairview, north of Dowdell's, but most of the people felt their wells were satisfactory and they were hesitant about taking on the additional expense of hooking up to the City Water so soon after laying sewers, and that's the situation we have to face. On Tatum, a small percentage would like to see the water go up the street, but it is a real problem. Bianchis Is it more expensive to out water down a street where there are houses only on one side? Nilsens Yes, it is. It was true of the sanitary sewer system and it is true of the water oin down La t I g g rpen eur. f we could put a main down the middle of the street and service both sides, it would be less costly. Question: What if the University should develop on the East side of Fairview? 1375 Answers You would have another main going on the East side and that is what compounds the cost. Dowdells Would a 3e main save money? L~ungren: It is questionable if the State Board of Health would approve that. Dowdells What pressure could we expect? L~ungrens Actually, we have a strange setup on water pressures. Right now we are connected to the Highland Resevoir. Without the pump, we run about 18# at Fairview. With the electric pumps on, we get 25 to 26#. The water department has changed its policy. Previously, it was having trouble with water pressure in the City itself and the citizens wouldn't stand for them extending water beyond their limits. Now the situation has changed. We have requested s hook-up to the St. Anthony tank at Cleveland and Hoyt and they indicate they will give the request very serious consideration. If they grant this hook-up, we will get 40 to !~5# pressure. Nilsen: In connection with putting in a small size main, you will be spending money for something that will not be adequate later on. Sipes: How deep are the average wells-in this area? Nilsens About 200 feet. Sipes How many signers do they have on the petition? L3ungrens 2 Sipes That dust leaves mine and Sommer8. L3ungrens All they need is 35%. Sipes How does this Fairview charge compare with Larpenteur Avenue? L~ungren: Larpenteur is X7.25 per front foot, FairvieK X8.92. Questions Wha±~, accounts for the difference? L3ungrens The main costs about 534 afoot more. You have a smaller amount of work. A spread of 400' instead of lc000'. County will require comaaction on FairvieR, as well as resodding and top soil. Since Larpenteur was under construction at the time the main was laid, we didn't have to do these things. Questions Couldn~t the work be done by the Water Department? Grahame Not on an assessment basis. Financing on an assessment basis requires advertisements for bids, and the Water Department cannot bid on a competitive basis. If you folks could raise the money to pay cash, they would probably t3o the work for you. The only people who are in a position to bid are private contractors. Questions If the line were run the rest of the way up Fairviex, would the cost drop considerably? 1376 L~ungren: About 75¢ a foot. Dowdells Does this have to be voted on tonight? Graham: Normal procedure would be to settle it tonight. Tt is not necessary to vote on it tonight. The Council could take the matter under advisement and continue the hearing. Nilsens We have a tough problem. We recognize it as keen3.y as anybody. Martin: You can't stop progress, but it is a bad time. Dowdells It will always be a bad time. The pumps will go one by one, Martins We have Sommers who built a new house and paid for a pump. Sipess Were all the people on the street contacted? Andersons I contacted several people and got a number of vigorous "Nos" so I discussed it with Mr. Graham and asked how it could be done. There were quite a few who wanted water but they had reasonably good wells. We would, naturally, like to have water now. We are hoping to build this Spring but we feel it has reached a point where we will not be able to get loans without water. Betty Wouldn't it be more fair to have the petition go all the way Sommers: down the street? Nilsens I think when it does go all the way up Fairview, we will have to consider going down Roselawn to Tatum and down Tatum to Larpenteur for the loop. The added fire protection is worth considering. If more property is developed, it will have to be developed from Larpenteur Avenue and the water, sewer and gas brought up from Lartienteur Avenue. Sipess Have the planners recommended that the Larpenteur Avenue property be rezoned commercial? What percentage of signers do you have to have to rezone property? Graham? 50~ of the people within a radius of 500'. There was further discussion during which Nilsen read the letters received from the Federal Housing Administration in which they stated they would request proof of pure water subply or refuse loans. Nilsen also read the data received from the Planners on tax returns received from business property, multiple dwellings and private residences, at the end of which the following statements were mades Mrs. Sommerss I am not against it. Dowdells I am for it. Andersons We need it. Sipess I am not against progress. There are four people concerned - Andersons, Sommers, Dowdell and myself. 137T Dowdells If the petition is approved and the price found to be much higher when the bids are received, xould xe have to go through with it? Would xe have a chance to vote again? Grahams No, you would not have a chance to vote again. Tt is up to the Council. The Council can either reject or accept the bids, readvertise for Herr bids or drop it. We will direct the engi- ne~r to prepare plans and specifications, We will advertise for bids - that takes six weeks to tiro months. Costs may be completely changed. We have been pretty close in the past. I think our Engineer has done very well. I am sure the Engineer's estimate is about as close as anyone can come. Dorrdells Do xe need the hydrant? L~ungrens Yes, to insure fresh water, it xill have to be flushed fre- quently, The Village is footing the bill for the hydrant until such time as the rest of the street hooks up when it xill be assessed. Nilsen: The hydrant xill also provide additional fire protection. You are all norr enjoying class 8 rate because the people East of Snelling installed and paid for the hydrants. RESOLUTION ORDERING IlWIPROVEMEIdT AND PREPARATION OF PLANSs WHEREAS, a resolution of this Village Council adopted at the meeting held January 28th, 1960, fixed a time for a Council Hearing on the Proposed Improvement of Fairview Avenue by xatermain extension from Larpenteur Avenue to a point t~62 feet north, at an estimated cost of $3,688.00 and WHEREAS a published notice of the hearing through 3 weekly publications of the public notice xas given and hearing was held thereon on the 25th day of February at which all persons desiring to be heard were given an opportunity to be heard 1) Such improvement is hereby ordered as proposed in the Council Resolution. 2) Milner A. Carley & Associates are hereby designated as the Engineers for this improvement and for preparing plans and specifications for the making of this improvement, and making the necessary application to the St. Paul Water Department for authority to make this extension. Adoption of the above resolution was moved by Nilsen and seconded by Shavor. The following vote was recordeds Coppini, Aye. Shavor, Aye. Nilsen, Aye. The resolution carried. Larpenteur It was reported that the proposed assessment roll for the Avenue Larpenteur Avenue Watermain and Pumping Station has been prepared Watermain & and filed with the Clerk. Pump. Sta. RESOLUTIONS 1Vrhhereas, by a resolution passed by the Council on November 12th, 1955, the Village Clerk was directed to prepare a proposed 1378 assessment of the cost of improving Larpenteur Avenue from Snelling Avenue West to a point 726' East of the center line of Cleveland Avenue by extending water mains from the existing main at Snelling Yrest to a point 726' East of the Center line of Cleveland Avenue, and ti"dHEREAS the Clerk has notified the Council that such proposed assessment has been completed and filed in his office for Public Inspection NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE VILLAGE COUNCIL OF FALCON HEIGHTS, MIN~tESOTA 1) A Hearing will b e held on March 24th, 1960, at 8s30 P. M. in the Village Hall at 1b44 W. Larpenteur Avenue to pass upon such proposed assessment and at such time and place all persons owning z~roperty affected by such imArove- ment will be given an opportunity to be heard with reference to such assessment. 2) The Village Clerk is hereby directed to cause a Notice of the Hearing on the Proposed Assessment to be published t~rrice in the official newspaper, the first publication to be at least two weeks prior to the hearing, and he shall state in the notice the total cost of the improvement. Adoption of the above resolution was moved by Coppini and seconded by Shavor. Tate following Foote was recorded: Nilsen, Aye.. Shavor, Aye. Coppini, Aye. Bills On motion by Coppini, seconded by Nilsen, the following bills were ordered pails GENERAL FUNDS Ethel E. White, last half of February 143.94 Fa~con Heights Shell Sta., gas, oil and. filling station services 78.89 Standard Unit Parts Co., supplies fire truck 4,84 Knut Skilsrud, custodian W. F, H, playground ~ 00 Stanley P. Schultz, metering station 3.12 Wm. Jas trove, plumbing and sewer insp fees and exp 40.00 Volunteers, thawing culverts 32.50 Government Surplus Sales, bulletin 100 Rose Tribune, print notices Public Hearing 9.20 Thermo-Fax Sales Corp., postage paper .34 N. W. Bell Telephone, Mi 6-5200 22.90 U. S. Postmaster, s':amps Clerk's office 800 Chippewa Springs Co., water service 3.75 Minnesota State Highway Dept., blue line prints 00 4 Carl L. Gardner & Assoc. Thorshov & Cerny, planning . 800.00 General Electric Sup, Co., light bulbs 22 24 Midway Ford, squad. car repairs . 12.14 Pure Oil, gas oil and filling station services 164.37 LARPENTEUR AVE. WATEP~t.~AIN & PUMP. STA. IbiP. FUNDS Commissioner of Highways 500.00 Office It was moved by Coppini, seconded by Shavor and unanimously Supplies voted that the Deputy Clerk order 1 Legal size V1071, F., 1379 Grey, Shax~Talker Filing Case, $113.00, with lock installed $17.50, less a discount of 10~ from McClain-Heilman-Schuldt Company, St. Paul, Winnesota. Net price ~117.~.5. 1 i 1 ~d~ournment On motion, the meeting adjourned at 11 P. M. Approved Ma or. Signed ~,~!~:"~ _ lerk.