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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCCMin_62May91750 REGULAR ~~'~ETING TdAY 9, 1962. Meeting was called to order at 7 p. m., the following Council Members being present: Harold C. Nilsen, Mayor; W. A. Mortenson, Clerk; C. P. Stone, Trustee; 1'~illis Warkentien, Trustee; and Geo. Shavor, Trustee. Also present were ~d. J. Galvin, Village _Rttorney; B. Lemberg, Engineer; Vdm. E. Olsen, Treasurer; and Ethel E. White, Deputy Clerk and ±~eputy Treasurer. Fire Dept. Letter of appreciation from Mrs. L. P. ?~.~artin, thanking the Fire Department and the Sheriff's Deputy for their help in an emergency was read and referred to the Fire Department. Streets: Letter of appreciation from Raymond C. ~'~'irth, thanking the Village for the efficient snow removal the past tirinter, was read and filed. Ramsey Co. Letter soliciting donations for the Junior Sheriffs of Ramsey Junior Sher- County was read and filed. The Village does not have funds available iff Comm.: for this purpose. Beess Report of annoyance by bees was read. The Village does not have an ordinance against bees and hasn't had enough complaints to warrant pa:; sing one. Greater St. Note from Don Arndt, Police Commissioner, recommending discontinuance Paul Safety of membership, was read. Trustee Stone shares Arndt's opinion. No Council. formal action was taken. Bonds: Letter from Rivard Plumbing, expressing the~_r opinion that the re- quire~nent of bonds was an unnecessary additional expense, was read. Clerk Mortenson will check into the -utter and report to the Council. Retirement Letter from the University of Minnesota, advising-they were having Housing: a short course on retirement hortzsing, was read and filed. ~~_, Load Letter from the County Engineer, advising they have authority to Limits: set weight limits as considered safe for various roads, was read and filed. Fire ~. Tt was moved by Stone, seconded by~Warkentien and voted to confirm Department the officers certified as elected as follows: Elections Fire Chief, Albert Helbig. Assistant Chiefs, Gordon H Nelson and Gerry 3aden. Captainss S. P. Schultz and H. J. Dachtera Lieutenants, B. J. Slama and D. L. ''erkel. Civil. Letter from Leo ~''eet, Director of Civil Defense, expressing dis- Defense: appointment over the lack of cooperation and interest in Civil Defense, was read. Stone moved that the Village Council encourage Leo ~~1eet to continue as Civil Defense Director a.nd to do what he can to do the ;lob as it should be done and that he continue at the present salary of X50.00 per month. Seconded by Shavor and carried. Warkentien moved that the letter V,'eet proposes to mail to the Citizens of the Village be approved, but that either the letter or the az~plica- tion specify jobs for which he would like volunteers. Seconded by 7 ~ t s ~ or en on and carried. 1751 "-~~SA, New, Treasurer Olsen reported receipt of a check in the amount of 21~-101-02: ~?_312.07 from the Mate Highway Department to apply on State Aid Project No. 2I~-101-02. Polling Attorney Galvin reported he had been in touch with Joel '!'ierney, Places: Attorney for the University of t~.Rinnesota, who .advised they were checking to see vrhat space, if any, they Trrould have available for use as a polling place; that they were looking into the matter of ins~zrance and vrould write Attorney Galvin when their check-up has been completed. League of Le+.,ter of ?:?ay 6th from '~~rs. Dorothy i~2iller, Secretary, Falcon '~lomen Hei~-hts League of '"iomen Voters, was read. It advised, in ~~art, Voters: that '?~s. James J. Jenkins of 2190 Folwell eras elected Presi- dent; '.hrs. Karl Vander Horck of 1853 No. Rascal was elected Local Item Chairman; Recreation ti^~as adopted as their local study item for 1962-63. Intersection Engineer Lemberg advised that there is a model of the Snelling- Larpenteur Larpenteur Interchange on display in the Highway Building. & Snelling: Special At 8 P. ~-L, the regular meeting was recessed for the purpose of nearing Land. conducting the _caring on the Land Use Study. Clerk ~~~ortenson Use Study: read copy of Notice as Published in the Rose Tribune. 'Sayor Nilsen stated that the Village of falcon Heights h.ad al- ways tried to ~~ive notice of meetings -more than legally re- quired, because we want to have people come to these meetings and express their opinions. Attorney Galvin stated that when Ordinance 6~~ was adopted, it was suggested that the Village have a land use plan. The Man was drawn up by Agidvrest Research, Inc.; was gone over by Bones- troo, ?iosene and Associates and the present proposal is the result of their study. The Village has the pourer to acquire real estate to build streets. It is necessary to prescribe where the streets will go. Then the proposed street plan can be filed with the Registrar of Deeds. Then, if anything is built on the land shown as the proposed street, the Village would have to pay a fair market value for the land needed for the street, but nothing for the buildings or improvements. Galvin read. from pale 2 of the letter sent to all property owners in the affected area. Nilsen said the Vi7_la~-e Council and the :Manning Commission had sent two or three ,years on the comprehensive zoning plan and that they were now getting down to detailed engineering. Copies of the proposed plan were distributed. to all present. Lemberg explained engineering details. The '.Mayor asked for comments from the assembly. A. Hustrulid, ~"de don't i~^ant a street back of our glace. acre came out here be- 1805 Fairview: cause we wanted the land. V~'e expect to use it for our retirement. We do not want any road. r 1 1 1752 r 1 Schwantes, 18150ur homes were designed for the width and depth of the lot. Fairview: Our house is approximately 80' from the road. If my lot was divided, there would be 18' from the end of our house to the end of the lot. Vde feel this would be exceedingly detrimental to the value of our nro-oerty. The decrease in property value and the assessments we would have to nay would exceed the amount we could sell the proposed lot for. J. Strait, ti~`e came out because we were interested in having a little ground. 1763 No. We see no reason to indicate we have a lot that is und.eveloned Fairviews and should be provided with a road so one-half could be sold. Ve consider the lot has been developed by landscaping. fie would have about 10 feet behind our house if the lot were divided. Vu'hat determines when the road goes in? If the land behind. our homes must be developed, it could be developed as a unit itself. Nilsen: You exercise your rights as vronerty owners - as you see fit to handle your oronerty. Possibly, if there were 8 or 9 property owners who tiRranted to sell and there was 1 bald-out, I sur~pose we would go back to the proposal. Galvin; Someone would have to ap*~roach the Village and request that a road be built. 'f~~ere would have to be a show of need and maybe the tax- payers could block it as an unnecessary and unjustified expenditure of money. Someone would have to petition the Vi?lane to put in a road which would take a separate action. Nilsen: I think we go back to the best interests of the neo~le to be served. Strait: I don't see why this road can't be put entirely on P,4r. Lindig's rnoperty. Nilsen: Then, is it advisable to develoz~ the other oronerty with another street? Strait: I think it is possible if we took the view that we wanted to sell as much property as we could. Z~de couldn't, but some of those people with shorter houses could if they are interested in property development. I think it would come closer than this Troposal would. Nilsen: When the road went in would be determined by hearings and meetings. Strait: I cap see where 35~ of the people could come from these small lots. C. Steiner, Did you say you could condemn the property? 1825 Fair- view: Galvins The Council could, but that is not the question here this evening. The tillage has the power of condemnation. Steiner: The lot goes right through the middle of our property and West of the lot line is 60' that cannot be used. There would be about 106 x 1~0' lef t. The sale price wouldn't equal the cost of the assess- ments . 1753 H. Otto, The statement was made that the shaded area. would be used as 18l~7 a ponding area and. a playground. Does the Village propose to Fairviews buy this land as a playground? Nilsen: It might be purchased by the Village or maybe it would. be ded- icated. H. Otto: We came out here because we wanted. land. We could have bought smaller lots anywhere. If this plan is registered with the Registrar of Deeds, it might be detrimental to the sale of our properties to people who want large lots. Carney for Disanto: There are no building Hermits being issued for this land? Nilsen There has been a "hold" on building Hermits until we determine what is best for that area. Carneys Would they take the whole acre? Nilsen: I wouldn't think so. Stone: Even if they didn't, it would be below the minimum lot size and the Village vrould have to pay more than just the street size. Otis: Why couldn't the road go through to Tatum? The ponding area is not adequate. ~7ater will be all over some of those new lots. ~"ry idea would be for so^!eone to buy up all this property and develop it as a unit. You show ten 75' lots on Lindig's property. Across the street are 95' lots. A.11 he has to do is sell ten lots and he will have 35~ of the owners. Nilsen: Any proposed plat will go to the Planning Commission. It must be approved by the Planning Commission before the Council takes action on it. Otis: The road is not in the center of the space between Fairview and Tatum. Do you think that anybody who wants to hold on to this land would sell the very minimum which vrould be 105'? Then there will be land between the present houses and the lots that, some day, somebody is going to want to sell. I can't afford to pay the assessments or the extra taxes. That means I will have to sell the land and I don't know v~rhat residue will go to income taxes. Those long lots of Lindig's will be the same. Some day somebody will vrant to sell this land. I think this is a good expedient so the land that is for sale can be worked in. I don't see how they are ~oing to pay for toe acre lot that is ruined, and I feP1 sorry for the people who have a road going right through their property. Very small lots on one side and very small lots on the other. Nilsen: These problems have become complex as the Village has developed. If some of these Hroblems had been considered many years ago, we wouldn't be faced with these problems today. l"~e have been trying to do some planning recently and there should have been some planning years ago. 1 175l~ Hustrulid: ti'Vho's yelling for changes in this area? VY'ho is asking for all this planning? Nilsen: The status quo can't possibly hold forever. Had there been some indication of what might be done, we wouldn't have all these problems today. J. P~acGregor I think the plan they have is almost inhuman. We bought 18 years 1795 No. ago because we wanted land. There are not very many children on Fairview: Fairview. If the University land is developed, there will have their own playground. We don't want a street. We would have 100' of sewer, and at a thousand dollars per hundred feet? We would have lt00' of water line, 1100' of gas line and 600' of street. You can see that it is almost an untenable nroblem. The lots we would have left would be small. One is very low. It is a run-away for water but it isn't a ponding area. It goes down very quickly when the ground thaws. I don't know why the street has to go there. It could be run through to Tatum at much less cost. Anderson, 1775 We have lived here six months. We came out because it was a Fairview: di~'ferent kind of property and we enjoyed it very much. I would heartily agree that a long-term plan would be desirable. I do feel that this Engineer's Drawing has made the question con- crete. I do not look upon this plan as a draft. It is an earnest money contract. I think it should be carefully considered even though action isn't planned until far into the future. The shortness of the lots, the spur street, the effect on the Disanto lot, that Dart which will be left over (I wouldn't want to buy it). The line would come 20 feet behind our house, nor would we narticu- larly care to have the two transverse lots to the rear. The cost of the spur would be a very serious item. It would not be to the advantage of either the P,4acGregors or us even though we abut it. There is a possibility of a sanitary sewer. Is there any other 'ocation for the spur street. I have no other alterna+.,ive but to oppose this plan. Nilsen: Thank you. Lemberg: The ponding area proposed on here is only a plan showing what could be done. The ponding area has been set up as it is because this is the lowest area. The Council has made some effort in the past and is working now to find a solution with a storm sewer in connection with the University of Minnesota, Roseville and the Fair Grounds. Nilsens The purpose of this meeting is to bring forth the best ideas we possibly can. '~,2. Young- t~'4`e moved out here for the same reason. We love land and now I ner, 1867 W. am gDing to have a 17 unit a-~artment house right next door. Larp .. Nilsen: This meeting is not for the purpose of discussing that matter. Vae will nut you on the agenda for May 23rd at 8 P. PAR. 1755 Hendrix, Yie bought the land with the idea of having a place to retire. 18.57 No ?.~y situation is the same as Steiner's. If this plan goes through, Fairview: we might as well give the land away. Peterson, How far back is the proposed lot line from Fairviews 1855 No. Fairview: Lemberg: 285' from the proz~erty line to the center of the prouosed road. Anderson, It seems to me that one of the considerations is the jog in the ' 1707 Fair- street, as well as the spur. ~Jhy can't the street be put view: straight through? Lemberg: It would be possible to develop the backs of these lots without fill. They could be picked up with the sewer. This is one way of cutting down the cost. Nodland, 1?~9 I would like to put in a vigorous complaint against this Fairview: plan. D. Shannon, Would it be necessary to remove any houses? 1390 Tatum: Nilsen: That would be the Julia Lindig lot. If a developer went in there, he would undoubtedly remove ?!JIrs. Lindig's house. Robt Hermes, ? would suggest that the road go straight through. 1875 Fairview Connolly: Pdy wife has been thinking about building on the Disanto property. How soon would it be possible to know whetter a building permit will be issued? Anderson: It seems to me that the elan as shown here cannot help but create a lot of hardship and hard feeling. It seems the only way is to put the road straight through. Lemberg: It would take 8 or 9' of fill to put the sewer in. Nilsens I think we need a ponding area. It would be impossible to build a storm sewer sized adequately to take care of a top storm so it might be necessary to have a resevoir. Lemberg: That's true. Anderson: I hope you will give us some clue as to how we can participate in the future - whether we can share in the discussions. Vie don't want a plan about which we have not been consulted forced on us. Nilsen: Vie just don't overate in that manner. UIe want ideas. Otto: Vle are against a road going through there. 1756 Lemberg: There are times when fill can be obtained at practically no cost. Nilsen: We vrould never Hermit filling that property. I t cannot be done because you would have flooding conditions. Dahl would have 7' of water in his basement. Lemberg: Storm sewer would have to be put in there before this could be done. Storm sewer is paid for on a square foot basis by the entire area that contributes water to the drainage area. ??rs. Otto: ti~4'hy the proposed park area? Our back yards are parks. Are you going to nut a fence aro-~:.nd +,he mosquito breeder: Lemberg: It would be no different than it is right now. A temporary pond- ing area. with facilities to ±ake away the water. ?~~rs. Hustru- It would make a difference because there would be the road. We lid: have a lovely park too. There are always going to be people who want land. P,Sost of us have lived here from 25 to 16 - 12 - 14 ,years and we do not feel the need. for any change-over. We would like to have it stay dust as it i.s now. Nilsen: 1`le call these meetings because we like to have z~eonle tell us in their own words how they feel on these matters. '.4rs. Strait: e have herd that one of these lots has already been sold. Galvins Tt could have been sold by "metes and bounds'" - a reference to the original survey rather than 'oy lot, block and addition. All the property on Fairview was sold with a "metes and bounds" description. Otto: Wkly is the land in the center marked "undeveloped'" property? Galvins By "undeveloped'" they mean there are no buildings on the specific property in the Proposed Land Use ?1 an. Reynold Th?se people have been rather unanimous in their opinion that Dahl: they ~.~rant the land but I think there remains the problem of this narrow strip owned by Julia Lindig which is going to be a problem. It should be planted to grass and trees. It is now an eye-sore. Have you even given any thought to buying a sizable stretch of this property? Nilsen: ?~io more than vre have thought of this ponding area. for a type of recreational use. A road running straight up and down would render that land unusable. You have the problem about buffering, maybe 20', and you come up vrith a 100' stretch which isn't usable for any specific purpose. You have to provide usable space and then a 'ouffer to protect your private property. Dahl: The value of the land is very lavr. Novr you have a chance to buy it for a very nominal .amount. Nilsen: Vie are at a stalemate right now. The pressures become tremendous. VYe should plan the u.se of this land for the future. Certainly your 1757 property is yours to use as you see fit. Certainly we must recognize these pressures are coming. I think it is incumbent upon the people here tonight to hE;lp us plan. '~:2acGregor: If the Julia. Lindig property is so cheap, wouldn't some of the people on Tatum be interested. in buying it and. fixing it up? John Kiel: ~dithout these new roads, how will we have access to the lots? ?!irs . ?Mac- Gregor: How would. you handle your sevrer? Anderson: Under the present plan, who would own the ponding area? ~Tould it be owned by the Village? ?~Tould the Village maintain it? T~;ilsen: It would seem that it would be desirable for the ?;'illape to own the property. ti°Te on the Council don't feel you want us to make any haste. ~`te do as much as we c~~n each year and try to main- tain the tax levy at a fairly decent level. Has everyone spoken who wishes to speak? 'Mrs. 'Mac- In reference to removing any soil from the Village. 'ihen Larpen- Gregor: teur was rebuilt, there were days and days when they removed dirt and emptied it in Roseville. RTilsen: That was the County. T,4rs. `,'.ac- Couldn't tha± be filled when the Intersection at Snelling and Gregor: Larpenteur is rebuilt? Nilsen: Do you think it can be fi_~led, brad? Lemberg: I don't know without further study. Galvin: Some time ago, the Highway Department asked permission to dump fill on private land. Someone would have to enter into an agreement to fill the land. It 4°rould be very simple for one of the land owners to enter into an agreement. It might be possible to get permission to fill the area. Tdilsen: It appears everyone has spoken who wishes to ~e hea.rd. I move we continue this Hearing until 8 P. v2., Tday 23rd. Seconded. by ?~'tortenson. The following vote was recorded: Stone, Yes; Shavor, Yes ; 4Ja.rkentien, No. It would be my reco~!mendation that T~IacGregor, Hustrulid, Schwantes, Otis and Anderson come up and represent your group if that is agreeable to the rest of you. 1 I 1758 i Bills: On i~dotion by Mortenson, seconded by t~larkentien, the following bills were ordered paid: ~~~lunicipal Court, City of ~"=hite rear Lake, court costs H. C. Stougaard, Justice Fee and ?Fileage A. Helbig, services street and playground work A. Helbig, services as street commissioner A. b'elbig, four days at fire school A. Helbig, services as fire chief , Shell Oil Co., gas and filling station services Thorp Coal & Oil Co., fuel oil 'City of St. °aul, sewer rental Wm. P. C>rroll, weed eradication '.~otorola C. & E., radio maintenance Rose Tribune, publish notice of hearing Dewey A. Smith, overtime April S. P. Schultz, i used oil tank American Linen Sur~ply Co., laundry service ?dinn. Fire Ex. Co., recharge fire extinguisher Ethel E. v~'hite, services last 1/2 ?Fay No. States Envelope Co., envelopes Donald E. Arndt, stamps and overtime Owen HarrRer, overtime Aril Archie C. Nordeen, overt-me April D. ?~I. Schoen, time and material reflectorized letters D. V7. Schoen, work on warming house B. J. Slama, State Aid r,~Itce. Arona D. ~Ferkel, work on ~.°Jarming house State Fair Car "~~ash, wash contract !_t/1/62 to t~/1/63 U. S. Postmaster, stamps Tieso Elec. Co., Inc., remove pole at FHES PG McClain, Redman & Schuldt, office supplies T. C. Trenching Service Co. Falcon Heights Hardware, sunpies Salute Auto Supply Co., Inc., cushionaire seat J. Renchin, 1 day at fire school G. Baden, ditto S. P. ."chultz, services, playground T. Fenske, services streets and playgrounds J. ?~ianehi, services streets and playgrounds Volunteers, fire and drill +.,ime Gordon il~lson, 1 day at fire school D. y~. Schoen, 3 days at fire school B. J. Slama, 1 day at fire school S. P. >chultz, 1 day at fire school Bonestroo, Rosene & Assoc., Engineering services C. r.4ulligan, services streets Midway Ford Co., 1962 Ford Galaxie 1[.00 11.00 x.0.00 50.00 60.oC 50.00 95.75 101.85 7008.00 7.35 7.70 3.18 2.50 5.00 9.02 5.50 167.88 28.89 1b.00 11.25 12.50 23.62 17.5a 6.25 2.50 65.00 16.00 1lt. 7~ I~1.19 l~2.50 4.59 5.50 15.00 15.00 7.80 25.00 85.80 226.50 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 597.x.5 38.75 1b27.00 Albert St. Attorney Galvin reported he had writtin H. P. Bruncke regarding water damage but had no reply. It was moved by Stone, seconded by Nilsen and voted that unless Bruncke files claim within 30 days, the Village A~+.,orney be instructed to deny the claim. Cross 1."calk Attorney Galvin reported he had been advised by the Engineer that our cross-~nralk does not conform to regulations. 1759 Parking: Copies of the parking plan laid out for the business corner at Snelling and Larpenteur were pa;~sed out to "embers of the Council for study, and the deputy clerk instructed to send copies of same to Mr. Applebat~~ Don Julep and N. L. Hermes. Snell-Idaho Attorney Galvin reported that the contracts for the Snelling- Fence: Idaho fence were in order for signing, the bonds were also in order, ~onestroo's have the certificates of insurance and Galvin will keep the Viz age copy of the contract for their files. Police Car: Varkentien reported that the new police car is here. '?'hey want to put a red, revolving, emergency light on top of car for the protection of the police officers. It was moved by Varkentien, seconded by Stone and voted that the new police car be equipped with a revolving, red, emergency light on top. It was moved by ti"Iarkentien, seconded by Stone and voted that the expense of approximately X135.00 for the transfer of equipment from the old car to the new be approved. ~.~aps: There was a discussion regarding rew tax assessor, or plat maps. Lemberg was authorized to check maps available and report to the Council. Adjournment: On motion, the meeting adjourned ~:t 11:10 P. !~~. Signed Clerk Approve ~ ~ L', d ~Rayor 1