HomeMy WebLinkAbout09-01-94 Park Commission MinutesMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
LITTLE CANADA, MINNESOTA
SEPTEMBER 1, 1994
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof a regular meeting of
the Parks & Recreation Commission of the City of Little
Canada, Minnesota was held on the 1st day of September, 1994
in the Council Chambers of the City Hall located at 515 East
Little Canada Road in said City.
Chairman Ken Wehrle
at 7:35 p.m. and the
were present at roll
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr.
Mr.
Ms.
Mr.
Ms.
chaired and called
following members
call:
Ken Wehrle, Chair
Howard Remerowski
Karen Johnson
Jim Greger
Berniece Magnuson
the meeting to order
of the Commission
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Larry Hartmann
Mr. Tom Holm
ALSO PRESENT: Mr. Jim Morelan, P&R Director
Mr. Bill Sanders, Parks Consultant
Ms. Kris VanSchoonhoven, Rec. Secretary
MINUTES Magnuson stated that on page 10, the last sentence of the
second paragraph should be changed to read "Magnuson felt
that if the curb was not going in, the trail would not be
needed to be paved at this time."
Magnuson recommended that the minutes of the August 4, 1994
meeting be approved as corrected.
Motion seconded by Johnson.
Motion carried 5 - 0.
10% FUND Wehrle stated that the items on the 10% list so far are as
follows:
* Top dressing machine
* Bike racks at Pioneer Park
* Monument sign at Pioneer Park
* Tree grant matching funds
* Portable toilet screening at Spooner & Pioneer Parks
* Benches & picnic tables at Pioneer Park
* Permanent batting cage
* Portable batting cage
He stated that the Commission still needs to prioritize
these items. Sanders stated that the City did receive the
$5,000 matching fund grant. Therefore, it must be matched,
and planting will begin this fall at Gervais Mill Park.
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Wehrle asked the Commission members to take a few minutes to
prioritize the list. He stated that this list will be
combined with other departments' needs for the 10~
Committee's consideration.
Sanders stated that the City Administrator felt it would be
wise to re-roof all the Spooner Park shelters at the same
time. Sanders asked if it should be considered in the 10%
list. The Director stated that it should not since the City
Administrator had indicated that it may be able to be funded
with this year's CIP budget. Wehrle stated that the shelter
re-roofing is in the proposed Capital Improvement budget for
1995.
Remerowski expressed concern
are on the 10% list, possibl
The Director stated that the
a certain amount of money to
take a look at all the items
rank them.
that if only expensive items
~ none of them would get funded.
loo Committee will not allocate
each department. They will
from all the departments and
Johnson asked what would happen if money was not allocated
for the tree grant. Sanders stated that there is $5,000 in
next year's budget for the tree grant. He felt that the
City Administrator could possibly shift some money this year
to fund it. The Director felt that the Council will make it
happen. He stated that the tree grant should be removed
from the 10% list. The other Commission members agreed.
The Director felt that some costs should be assigned to the
items prioritized for the budget. After some discussion,
the Commission prioritized the list as follows:
1) Desoto portable toilet screening $5,000
2) Pioneer Park monument sign 3,000
3) Pioneer Park bike racks (2) 1,000
4) Top dressing machine 4,000
5) Pioneer Park benches/picnic tables 2,500
6) Additional portable toilet screening 5,000
7) Portable batting cage 2 500
8) Permanent batting cage 15,000
GENERAL FUND Wehrle stated that he was unsure what the time line was
CAPITAL on the General Fund Capital Improvement priorities, but he
IMPROVEMENTS was sure that it would be discussed this fall. The Director
agreed.
The Director felt that the Commission
was budgeted for 1994, and there are
five years. However, the Commission
budgeted for 1995.
was on track for what
estimates for the next
should look at what was
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Wehrle asked about the roof repair of the band shell.
Sanders stated that it would be completed this year along
with the other shelters. The Director stated that the City
Administrator indicated that the City may have enough extra
funds to complete all shelters at this time.
Wehrle stated that the shelters were on next year's budget,
but if funding is available this year, it makes sense to go
ahead and do the project.
Wehrle asked if Gervais Mill Landscaping should remain in
the budget since the matching grant was received. Sanders
felt that the $5,000 for the landscaping should remain.
Wehrle felt that Pioneer Park site amenities and Pioneer
Park signs should also remain. However, that would depend
on whether they were funded with the 10% money.
Wehrle felt that if some 1995 budget items are funded in
1994, items from 1996 should be moved forward to 1995's
budget. Johnson felt that if the portable toilet screening
does not make 10% funding, the General Capital Improvement
money should fund it.
Johnson felt that the Commission should wait to change the
Capital Improvement list until it knows what was funded with
the 10% money. Wehrle stated that both funds have to come
together at the same time.
Remerowski stated that if an item is moved forward from the
1996 budget into 1995's budget, he felt it should be Gervais
Mill landscaping. He asked if the small parking lot off
Edgerton Street at Gervais Mill Park would be paved.
Sanders stated that it is planned for a parking lot in the
future. Remerowski stated that right now it looks like it
is just dirt. He felt that something should be done with
it. Sanders agreed stating that it should either be sodded
or paved. He stated that he would look at the site. The
Director felt that the Commission should deter people from
using that area now for parking since there is a parking lot
off Noel Drive. Wehrle felt that a berm could be placed
there temporarily until a parking lot is developed in the
future. The Director asked if the Watershed District had
any plans of doing something with that area. Sanders
indicated that it was not addressed in their plans.
Wehrle stated that if the re-roofing of the shelters and
band shell is done in 1994, he favored moving an item from
1996 into 1995's budget.
Remerowski asked if the portable toilet screening should be
included in the General Capital Improvement budget also so
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that it would be on both lists. The Director stated that
the problem with putting it on two lists is that the
definition of the two lists is different.
Remerowski felt that the portable toilet screening may be
too expensive for the 10& list. He felt it should be added
to the 1995 General Capital Improvement list in the amount
of $10,000.
The Director asked Wehrle to summarize what was done to the
budget. Wehrle stated that the 1995 General Capital
Improvement budget was left the same except for the addition
of portable toilet screening in the amount of $10,000.
Wehrle asked if the $5,000 for the Gervais Mill Landscaping
under the 1995 budget was the funds for the matching grant.
Sanders stated that $5,000 is in addition to the matching
grant funds. The Director asked how the grant would be
funded since it was dropped from the 10% list. Sanders felt
that City would come up with the funds. Wehrle stated that
if the City comes up with the money, he would prefer that it
would be in addition to the $5,000 budgeted for Gervais Mill
Landscaping. However, if the City does not have the funds
available, the $5,000 for Gervais Mill Landscaping could be
used.
Wehrle felt that in a year, the Commission will have to put
together another five year plan to meet the needs of the
future.
PARK MASTER Wehrle asked for the Commission's ideas on how to review
PLAN the Park Master Plan. He felt that the members should look
at it and if they see problems, those items could be
discussed at a future meeting.
Remerowski stated that it was his idea to review the plan
due to the negative comments that were brought up by the
general public attending the last meeting. Sanders stated
that if the Commission wants certain park projects, they
should leave them in the plan even if there is opposition
from certain members of the community since conditions
change over time. Remerowski commented that things may not
change.
Wehrle stated that if things do not change, the Commission
would have to look at alternate routes for trails or
condemnation. He indicated that the City does not favor
condemnation.
Wehrle stated that if the route for the trail to Pioneer
Park is changed to run down Payne Avenue and LaBore Road,
some of those residents would probably not want it down
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their road either. He felt that there would always be
opposition to every proposal.
Remerowski suggested leaving the plan the way it is for now.
However, as streets are developed, the Commission could look
at other options. Wehrle felt that the Commission members
should still review the plan and comment on it.
COMMUNITY Remerowski stated that the meeting that took place on the
SURVEY community survey was a good one where lots of positive ideas
came forth. He indicated that they have decided to follow a
format similar to the 1988 survey. However, the section on
parks and recreation will be toned down. Remerowski
commented that another meeting will be held before the
survey is done. He commented that 400 residents will be
surveyed.
Wehrle felt that the proposed questions should be reviewed
by the Commission. He indicated that what is asked and how
it is asked is very important.
Remerowski stated that there were many issues talked about.
One of them was park usage relating to renting of the parks.
There will also be general questions on trails and parks.
However, the questions will not go into depth.
Johnson stated that she felt the people surveyed should be
asked if they want to circulate the City in ways other than
in cars. She felt this would help decide if trails are
really wanted. Wehrle stated that he would like to know how
the public feels about neighborhood verses community-type
facilities. Remerowski felt that there should be more open
space parks in the City.
Wehrle stated that a question that was asked in the 1988
survey pertained to if residents would favor increased taxes
to support additional recreational facilities. Johnson felt
it was a worth-while question. Remerowski felt that with
Little Canada being on the high end of taxes, residents
would not favor increased taxes.
Johnson felt that those surveyed should be asked if they are
renters or owners.
Wehrle stated that everyone is welcome to attend the
meetings on the survey. He felt that the survey will be a
basis for making decisions in the future. Wehrle felt that
the Commission should discuss the survey at the next meeting
and see if the questions are available to review.
Remerowski stated that there was discussion at the meeting
regarding sending a written survey to members of the
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business community possibly in the newspaper. Wehrle felt
that mainly people with complaints would respond. The
Director felt that there would be less response from a
written survey verses a telephone survey.
Johnson suggested that in addition to having the telephone
survey, a small sample of questions could be put in the City
newsletter. Wehrle stated that the problem is that all the
comments received would be negative. Johnson felt that
questions would be asked in a way that would generate
positive comments also. Remerowski stated that possibly the
complaints received would be valid. The Director felt the
response would be poor if a survey was in the newspaper, and
those responding would not represent a good cross section of
the public.
Greger questioned the usefulness of the telephone survey.
He felt that people may answer questions where they do not
know all the facts, do not care, or may tire from the length
of the survey. He felt households should have a couple of
days to complete the survey so all people in the household
could discuss it not just the person answering the
telephone.
Wehrle felt that surveys should be left to the experts.
They have proven that statistically, telephone surveys work.
Greger felt that survey companies are in business to make
money. Sanders stated that he has much faith in Decision
Resources. He indicated that they are very good at
predicting the outcome of referendums.
Remerowski stated that if the proper questions are asked in
short form, the City could possibly improve different things
by getting actual wordage feedback verses yes/no answers.
The Director felt there was no way to go into detail on a
telephone survey. Remerowski agreed, but felt there are
ways of getting answers from people that are more
substantial.
Wehrle stated that if the survey showed dissatisfaction in
an area, something could be done to address the concerns.
Remerowski asked if that happened, would there be a way of
going back to those people to find out just exactly what
they are dissatisfied with. The Director felt the concern
could probably be addressed without going back to the
people.
MCNAMARA Wehrle stated that he talked to the City Administrator on
Pi20PF.IZTY how to proceed with the McNamara property. The
Administrator felt that the Commission should come up with a
concept of what is needed to show McNamara in the event he
develops his property. Sanders stated that the area being
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considered for park land is 100' x 359' or .76 acres on the
north end of the McNamara property. The Director commented
that it is approximately 18$ of the whole parcel.
Remerowski felt that McNamara should be contacted for his
feedback first. Sanders felt that the City should probably
look at the soils and drainage to see if it is a desirable
location for a park.
Wehrle stated that he envisioned a tot lot, open space,
picnic tables and benches in the area. Wehrle felt that
Sanders should look at the 100' to see if it works for the
City. Wehrle felt that possibly the City may not need
property in a certain area and more in another. Remerowski
still felt that McNamara's comments should be obtained
first. Sanders felt that possibly both could be done at the
same time.
The Director felt the proposed park land was in the right
area, but he questioned how much was needed. Johnson felt
that the width needs discussion, but she felt the depth was
locked in. Wehrle asked Sanders to contact the City
Administrator on the procedure that should be taken.
Remerowski felt the City should find out how much the whole
parcel is worth.
PIONEER & Sanders stated that the contract for the Pioneer Park and
WESTWIND Westwind Park trails was awarded to Daily & Sons. He
TRAILS indicated that construction would begin in two weeks.
Wehrle asked if the homeowners in the area were aware that
work will soon begin. The Director stated that the
homeowner's in the Westwind area are very anxious to see the
trail go in. He felt there was no need to notify the
residents about the Pioneer Park trail. However, he will
give written notice to the Westwind Park trail residents.
SPOONER PARK Sanders stated that request for quotations were sent to six
SHELTER contractors. He indicated that they will be bidding on each
RE-ROOFING shelter using metal roofing. Sanders felt that dark green
would be a good color since it would be more subtle than the
others. He stated that the bids are due September 16, 1994.
FIELD USAGE The Director stated that while he was calling other cities
SURVEY for information, he learned that the Maplewood Parks and
Recreation Department is in the process of re-working their
policies regarding this matter. In doing so, they have
requested the same type of information that we are looking
for from neighboring cities and will forward him copies of
the information that they receive. He felt this item should
be placed on next month's agenda for discussion once all the
information is obtained.
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K-9 MEMORIAL Wehrle stated that the City Administrator would like to
take action on the K-9 memorial. Wehrle stated that he has
informed the City Administrator about the Commission's
discussion on the matter.
Wehrle stated that the Commission favored the idea, but did
not want the plaque at Pioneer Park. It was felt that the
tree could be planted at City Hall or at Pioneer Park.
However, the plaque should be located at City Hall. The
Commission wanted the public's visit to the park to be a
positive one.
It was the consensus of the Commission that the City
Administrator take action on obtaining the memorial.
ADJOURN Johnson recommended that the meeting be adjourned.
Motion seconded by Magnuson.
Motion carried 5 - 0.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned
at 9:40 p.m.
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Kris VanSchoonhoven
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