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CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION <br />APPROVED <br />130 While there is emphasis on young drivers and they can be a problem, she doesn't think it <br />131 is only that age group. <br />132 Bob Bennett, 7829 Lois Lane, has been there for 25 years. He has seen improvement <br />133 since the last time he raised concern. He's seen police and radar and the garbage truck <br />134 situation has improved. It is frustrating. Some of the young people causing a problem <br />135 may be good kids but their actions are not conducive to more harmony in the <br />136 neighborhood. He recently experienced a situation where someone did not stop at the <br />137 stop sign and then came up onto the grass and almost hit him. Mayor Rafferty asked <br />138 about the time of the problem and Mr. Bennett said it generally starts at 7:00 a.m. and <br />139 goes all day. He also thinks 30 mph is too fast. <br />140 Kevin Murphy, 583 Lois Lane, explained that working on this plan anal addressing the <br />141 problem, he's seen a marked improvement but some of the situation remains. That <br />142 portion he sees is not just about regulations but perhaps the need for a process to bring <br />143 people together. <br />144 Mayor Rafferty asked the City Engineer to comment on the addition of striping to the <br />145 roadways. Ms. Hankee explained that this road is considered a collector and so it <br />146 wouldn't be unusual to see striping. She added that the striping is seen as a way to <br />147 address the concerns that the City is hearing from the neighborhood. She also added that <br />148 sometimes striping has helped with traffic calming. <br />149 Councilmember Ruhland asked if it also keeps people in line when they are going around <br />150 curves. He feels that sometimes the striping may make people think it's a faster road and <br />151 cause them to up their speed perhaps subconsciously. He confirmed that 30 mph is a <br />152 state standard and the signage would just confirm that. Ms. Hankee also discussed that <br />153 some cities in Minnesota are moving to a 25 mph and some have put up signage to <br />154 indicate it. <br />155 Councilmember Cave" asked asked if just this street could be a lower speed limit. Ms. <br />156 Hankee said staff could Iook at it but a change would set a new precedent and she <br />157 suspects that many areas will want the same change. <br />158 Public Safety Director Swenson asked the council to be mindful that this is a matter that <br />159 interests many residents and neighborhoods. He explained the seasonal nature of the <br />160 complaints received. He recommends a larger conversation about changing speed limits <br />161 rather than piecemeal. The data collected for this area is actually seen in many residential <br />162 areas of the City. If the council isn't going to entertain speed limit changes then it doesn't <br />163 make any sense to put up a sign because that is a basic understanding - if a road isn't <br />164 posted then the speed limit is 30 mph. <br />165 Councilmember Lyden asked about the possibility of adding rumble strips? Director <br />166 Swenson remarked that one of the complaints in this area is noise and those strips would <br />167 actually cause more noise. <br />168 Mayor Rafferty noted changes suggested and suggested that some probably wouldn't <br />169 work. There also appears to be a problem of verbal abuse. He doesn't think the striping <br />170 will work. Common sense tells him that the nature of the street dictates even 25 mph <br />171 may be too high. <br />0 <br />