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COUNCIL MINUTES JULY 14, 2003 APPROVED 382 Councilmember Reinert asked if they approved this and then the numbers go up, are they tied to these • 383 numbers. City Attorney Hawkins offered it depends on the agreement with the developer, but he 384 believes it could change. 385 386 Councilmember Dahl asked if the light green areas on the map were wetlands. City Planner Smyser 387 indicated they were wetlands and ponds. Councilmember Dahl asked if the pond was a created pond. 388 City Planner Smyser indicated it was both. He stated there was existing wetland and a small pond. 389 The area will be expanded and a second pond created on the existing wetlands. 390 391 Councilmember Dahl commented if it is existing wetland it cannot be used anyway, and the land 392 behind the wetlands is not accessible for further development, and could not be used if the City were 393 not taking it for parkland. City Planner Smyser stated that in the future the area behind the wetlands 394 could be developed, and he showed the access point connecting to the proposed park dedication land. 395 Dahl reiterated the land cannot be used for this development because of access issues. City Planner 396 Smyser stated that was correct, it would need a lot of work. 397 398 Councilmember Dahl stated she agrees with Councilmembers Carlson and Reinert that the park 399 dedication is an issue. She did not realize there was so much wetland, and this is a real sticking point 400 for her. She called Woodbury today to see how their park dedication compares to Lino Lakes. She 401 advised that Woodbury charges $2000 per unit and gives no credit for sidewalk or trails, whereas 402 Lino Lakes does allow credit for these things. She is not saying that is right or wrong, but right now 403 they are giving $70,000 for trail and sidewalk credit, plus $8000 for other trail land above the upland 404 acres. She added she knows how much the City wants park dedication. She commented that when •405 she re -read the information this afternoon, she thought if people do not agree with their ordinance 406 they may want to reconsider developing in Lino Lakes. She stated they took a lot of time with the 407 ordinance, and it seems they are behind the times. She thinks they have been generous with everyone 408 who comes to them and she thinks the developers should follow the City's rules. 409 410 Mayor Bergeson stated that these are the rules that are in place now. He believes they do need to 411 change the ordinance, but they cannot change it in the middle of an application. He appreciates the 412 developer's honesty in that he may make a challenge, but he reiterated the City is challenged all the 413 time. He thinks they need to move ahead with this final plat. 414 415 Mr. Gary Uhde, developer, indicated that to Councilmember Dahl's concern, there were a number of 416 issues with the park dedication that there was not time for the two attorneys to resolve. He thinks 417 they will be able to resolve them between the attorneys. He explained the entire development was 418 planned around a central park area, at the direction of the Park Board. They had asked for 4.7 acres of 419 contiguous land, which has been provided. He believes there are other credits they should get, and 420 that information needs to be researched due to the number of years this project has gone on. He 421 indicated he believes the ordinance needs to be revised; he feels it is behind the times and he does not 422 think it reflects commercial value versus residential value adequately. They felt it was their duty to 423 bring this forward. He commented that on the air park, he will be involved in the hangar approval 424 process and he gaurantees he will be as strict or more strict than the City. He stated if he had his way 425 they would all be the same size and color, but according to the air park owners that is not possible 426 since there are different size needs. He assured the Council they would all have similarity and 427 consistency as far as possible. fp428 9