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APPROVED
CITY OF LINO LAKES
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES
DATE: Thursday, June 6, 2002
MEMBERS
PRESENT: H. Juni, T. Vacha, F. Chase, J. Schwartz, R. Jensen, K. Hansmann,
D.Gorowsky, J. Milbauer
MEMBERS
ABSENT: B. Hicks
OTHERS
PRESENT: M. Divine, M. Grochala, D. Carlson
GENERAL/MINUTES
Minutes of May 2, 2002 were approved.
UPDATES
Spirit Hills Commercial: Ms. Divine stated that Glenn Rehbein had pulled out of the
commercial project at Birch Street and Hodgson Road. Rockey Goertz will be proceeding
with the development, and will be submitting a new plan. Mr. Gorowsky asked if there
would be an access from Birch. Mr. Grochala responded the access would be off an
extension of Ware Road, which will eventually extend all the way to Hodgson Road.
Quan Technology: Ms. Divine stated this project was building 13,000 square feet on two
acres in the Apollo Business Park, on the last freeway spot. They are submitting in July.
Reconstruction of Hodgson Road: Mr. Grochala stated that the city has been dealing
with the county for approximately two years regarding Hodgson from Lake Drive to
County Road J. Turnback funds were available for its reconstruction, and it originally
would have been constructed this year. The County plan was 120 feet of ROW, 84-foot
curb to curb, four lanes with a divided median. After discussion with the city, the county
compromised to 100 feet of ROW, with 68-foot curb to curb, and eliminating the median
between Birch and J, but having a center turn lane instead. The speed limit would have
to be dropped to 45 mph if the center median was eliminated. The county went through a
“context sensitive design” process with the city and residents, and the residents weren’t
able to agree to the county’s compromise.
The count y has stated the city’s proposed design is unacceptable. The compromise design
is on the table, but it requires city approval, otherwise the county will abandon the
project. The county would still reconstruct the bridge and put signals at Birch and
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Hodgson, but at the original county standards. Conversations since indicate the county
may not even be willing to do the compromise design, but would spend the money
elsewhere. Mr. Jensen asked who wouldn’t want this road. Mr. Grochala said north of
Birch it is mainly the speed limit issue, south of Birch some houses would become closer
to the ROW, and a business on J may have a building removed. If the full median goes in,
there are a lot of driveway access issues. Mr. Jensen stated this road had to be done. Ms.
Schwartz stated it was free money that was being passed up. Mr. Grochala stated this
project won’t come back until the city requests it from the county, and then the city will
have to share in the cost.
Ms. Carlson said in some areas the proposed road didn’t meet the city’s comprehensive
plan. Mr. Chase stated that political bodies and residents should not be designing roads, it
should be left to the experts. Mr. Vacha stated the county has policy for that reason. Mr.
Grochala noted that is the county engineer’s position, he has to sign off on the plan. Ms.
Carlson said the county’s plan would cost the city an access onto the Miller farm
property. Mr. Grochala said that will be an issue with or without the road project. What
clouds the issue with residents is that each county has different standards, speed limits,
and methods for paying for the improvements, and the residents wonder why one county
can have it one way, and another can’t.
Ms. Carlson said there are economic issues for people along the road, because their wells
and septics are near the ROW. Mr. Grochala stated if the wells or septic are in the ROW,
they get new ones at county expense. He added that we need to extend utilities in the
southwest corner, and this could be done at the county’s expense if this project was done.
This is an opportunity that shouldn’t be missed. Ms. Schwartz stated that if you live on a
major road, you run the risk of being acquired, and you will be compensated. The city has
an excellent commercial redevelopment opportunity at Hodgson and J.
Ms. Carlson said her position is if they don’t reach an agreement they will lose the
opportunity to get the compromise. The council hasn’t seen what the county has been
willing to accept. Mr. Grochala stated it would be going back to a council work session.
Ms. Schwartz moved to recommend the city give strong consideration to approving the
county’s compromise plan of 100 feet ROW. Ms. Hansmann seconded the motion. Mr.
Jensen asked how many buildings would be removed with the original county plan. Mr.
Grochala stated six; in the compromise plan one building is removed. Mr. Jensen said
that Hodgson and J needed redeveloping and it was an opportunity to remove those
buildings. Mr. Grochala stated there are property owners interested, and the county
obtaining ROW would facilitate redevelopment. Mr. Juni stated the message EDAC
wants to send is “don’t be shortsighted, don’t lose this “
Motion passed with Mr. Jensen voting no. Mr. Jensen explained his vote by stating he is
in favor of the road being built to the original county standards, not to the compromised
standards.
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Metropolitan Council Population forecasts
Ms. Divine passed out the new Metropolitan Council forecasts, and the city draft
comprehensive plan forecasts. Mr. Grochala stated the new Met Council has Lino Lakes
at 8,800 households in 2020, the city has the comp plan at 7,575 households in 2020. The
Met Council staff has stated there are several issues, mainly that the city’s comp plan is
inconsistent with the metrowide growth forecasts and system plans. The Met Council is
not willing to approve the comp plan because of this. Also, the comp plan has residential
net density at 2.8 units/acre, the Met Council has not approved a plan with densities of
less than 3 per acre. Also, the city does not have enough medium density housing on the
plan, we need to add 27-60 acres. The city has no high density designated anywhere.
Mr. Grochala said the council is going to have to deal with its forecast and the 147 new
homes/year limit. At 8,800 households, the city would add approximately 185 units
instead of 147, which is still lower than what the city has been averaging. Staff will put
options together on how to address the issues. The Met Council is taking a stronger
stance on these issues. Mr. Milbauer stated the comp plan needs to get approved. He
stated Lino Lakes is not an affordable housing market, and it could eventually force a
lawsuit against the city.
Mr. Chase said the original task force was trying to limit sprawl, and ended up counting
bodies, which was not the intent. There is a need for affordable housing and you can
increase households without ruining the environment. Mr. Grochala asked what the city
wants, is it the quantity or the quality of development that is important. He said if we
have to add more medium density housing, where would we do it? Forty acres added on
33 square miles is irrelevant. He noted the two sites at Birch and Hodgson and at
Hodgson and J, where developers are saying is more commercial area zoned than will
ever work in the market. These areas could become mixed use with smaller neighborhood
retail. Carving out some of this commercial for medium density could also facilitate the
development of these areas.
Ms. Schwartz stated that for every $1,000 that a house goes up in value, 30,000 people
are priced out of it. Affordable housing is a spur for economic development. Mr.
Gorowsky said the city has been reluctant to give up any commercial property. However,
these couple sites would accomplish goals of affordable housing. Mr. Grochala said it
doesn’t matter what the zoning map says, if it won’t develop. Mr. Milbauer agreed these
two instances make sense and could help get the comp plan passed.
Ms. Schwartz moved to recommend the City Council strongly consider allocating
portions of the commercial areas on Hodgson and Birch (Miller farm), and on Birch and
County Road J intersection to be medium or high density residential. Mr. Milbauer
seconded the motion. Ms. Schwartz pointed out that EDAC has a past motion that it
would not support a net loss of commercial/industrial land. Mr. Milbauer noted the
motion is a compromise to getting the comp plan approved and is based on what the
market is saying. Ms. Carlson noted that the tax benefit to the city may be just as great
with multi-family since the change in tax laws. Motion passed unanimously.
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Mr. Milbauer stated he would like to see the city council give strong consideration to the
Met Council recommendations for amending the comp plan, and if the city has to add 30
houses, it should be done. Mr. Grochala stated it’s likely even the medium density homes
in Lino Lakes will not be affordable. Ms. Carlson said she has attended meetings
regarding “inclusionary” housing, which is mixing affordable units in market rate
neighborhoods.
Mr. Milbauer moved that the council give strong consideration to the Metropolitan
Council recommendations regarding amending the comp plan in the areas of housing
units, affordable housing and density. Ms. Schwartz seconded the motion. Motion passed
unanimously.
Hodgson Road/Lake Drive property
Members discussed the uses for the property that is zoned General Business. It has
numerous limitations to development. Several developers have asked about high density
residential or assisted living uses on the site. Since the city owns it, covenants could be
put on the site regarding use. It was decided to consider having the appraisal done
separately for commercial and residential.
Meeting adjourned.
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