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CITY OF LINO LAKES
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD WORK SESSION MINUTES
I. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Lyngblomsten at Lino Lakes – Presentation by Wold Architects and Engineers
Brian Prunty, from Wold Architects and Engineers, delivered the presentation.
Board Comments
Mr. Root questioned why the building design changed from the October submittal to
the May submittal.
Mr. Prunty explained the October submittal simply displayed the concept for the
development, but it did not include the mechanical, electrical, plumbing, structural,
and civil elements. Therefore, once those components were added to the design
plan, the floor plan and roof components changed.
Mr. Root expressed his appreciation for the original design from October. He
further clarified, the aesthetics of the design were appealing and it seemed to mimic
the design of the City Center. He acknowledged the design changes that had been
made since the May submittal, but was concerned the design appears to look like a
large hotel or corporate headquarters. Mr. Root also remarked on Lyngblomsten’s
signage on the exterior of the building. He stated the monument sign would be
sufficient for informing passersby what the building is and therefore, the signage on
the exterior of the building is not necessary.
Ms. Peacock liked the three color schemes for the townhomes. She said the main
building’s windows in this submittal were boxy and reminiscent of an institution
whereas the windows in the plan from October were more narrow, longer, and gave
more differentiation to the building’s design.
Mr. Reinert said the design changes made since May’s presentation were much
improved. He clarified this presentation had more depth and he remarked the Wold
team is moving in the right direction.
DATE : July 15, 2020
TIME STARTED : 3:01 P.M.
TIME ENDED : 3:50 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT : Paul Tralle (Chair), Neil Evenson, Michael Root
Perry Laden, Sue Peacock, Jeff Reinert,
Nathan Vojtech
STAFF PRESENT : Michael Grochala, Katie Larsen, Janele Waterman
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Mr. Laden stated the design has improved greatly from the previous design, but he
was concerned about the Hodgson elevation since the building is a four story
building and it will be close to the sidewalk. He specified the cap gives an
impression the building is top heavy on the side of the building facing Hodgson. He
suggested Lyngblomsten add a cornice at the top of the first story to make the
building appear less grandiose in height. Mr. Laden asked Ms. Larsen, the City
Planner, what the purpose of a cornice is.
Ms. Larsen explained cornices are architectural decorative features and are not
necessarily functional.
Mr. Evenson said the plans presented were a big improvement from the last design.
He remarked he is not opposed to the exterior signage on the building. He said he
did not like the color scheme of the building particularly the blue color. He
wondered if Lyngblomsten had addressed the board’s concern with utilizing the artic
white color on the building’s exterior.
Mr. Vojtech commented on the signage and explained since elderly citizens will be
visiting the building often, it may be beneficial to have the exterior signage on the
building to assist those who are trying to find it on a busy road. He also remarked it
is hard to know where the monument sign will be placed and how visible it will be
when traveling in either direction on Hodgson.
Chair Tralle liked the color schemes for the townhomes and the overall design
changes. He appreciated the removal of one of the signs from the building’s exterior
and said one sign is adequate as opposed to two.
Tu-Ahn Bui Johnson, from Wold Architects and Engineers, informed the board it
was a conscious decision from the owners’ to bring the mechanical outward instead
of inside the units. She explained by moving the mechanical outward it makes the
units bigger and more pleasant. However, she clarified, by doing so, this creates the
vertical elements on the exterior and that played a major role in the changes of the
exterior design of the building.
Mr. Reinert stated the windows appear to be all the same shape and size. He
acknowledged the expense of custom windows, but suggested if the windows could
be altered, it would be an improvement to the overall design of the building.
Mr. Laden asked if there is a way to set the windows or get a product that sets the
windows in deeper so there is more of a shadow line.
Mr. Prunty explained there are a few options for setting the windows. If the board
would like to see the windows set in a couple of inches only detailing around the
windows would be required. If the board would like to box in or recess the
windows, the floorplan will be impacted. He assured the board, if they would like to
recess the windows, he and his team would explore a few options. He also stated the
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windows may appear small in comparison to the grand scale of the building, but the
windows are a good size.
Mr. Reinert inquired what the rough measurements of the windows were.
Ms. Bui Johnson specified the windows are 3 ft. by 6 ft. separately, but together 6 ft.
by 6 ft. or 5 ft. by 6 ft.
Rick Moore, from Wold Architects and Engineers, explained in order to recess the
windows, they would have to recess the framing around the window, then sheath,
and side all the way back in. He furthered clarified, this creates a lot of pockets that
could potentially leak and it would be a very expensive process to recess all of the
windows. Another option, he shared, would utilize a non-nailing flange which
would set the windows back and they would have to caulk and seal the windows. He
acknowledged, however, the team at Wold decided not to pursue this option because
they felt the seal was not as good for the building in the long term.
Mr. Evenson agreed with Mr. Reinert the original design had variation in window
size and the differentiation improved the aesthetics of the building.
Ms. Peacock concurred. She expressed concern with the normal, square window
design and suggested the windows be differentiated in order to create a more
impressive exterior.
Judd Fenlon, from Grand Real Estate Advisors, informed the board the window sizes
are comparable to what is used in other multi-family projects. He further noted the
board would see differentiation in window size in the community room, the
restaurant, the pool, and the multi-purpose room. He also clarified the courtyard will
be unique in design with a balcony hanging over the courtyard and, in the summer
months, it will be full of tables, umbrellas, and a stage for music. He said he would
continue to talk to the design team regarding the board’s feedback. Mr. Fenlon
addressed Lyngblomsten’s budget and stated the underwriters have been giving
Lyngblomsten grief because of the project’s per square foot and per unit cost. He
explained Lyngblomsten’s construction costs are $208 per square foot and Northland
Securities is comparing them to three other projects whose construction costs are
$191, $170, and $168 per square foot. Furthermore, Lyngblomsten’s cost per unit is
$335,000 and those comparable to Lyngblomsten cost $247,000, $264,000, and
$259,000 per unit. Because of these comparables, he stated Lyngblomsten does not
believe they are being stingy with the budget. Lastly, he assured the board the
amenities package offered and the building in its entirety will be very attractive.
Mr. Reinert asked what the year is of the comparables.
Mr. Fenlon explained two of the projects are under construction and Lyngblomsten
received the comparables 60 days ago. The third project had not yet closed.
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Mr. Moore remarked the renderings for the project are generated by a computer at a
distance, but once construction begins, the detail and texture of the exterior products
will be noticeable, especially when walking along Hodgson.
Chair Tralle asked what kind of siding will be used on the exterior, how good is the
product’s quality, and if it is prone to leaking.
Mr. Prunty expounded the siding is a hardie siding that Wold has used on other
projects very successfully. He clarified, when products leak, it is usually due to the
poor installation of the weather barrier, the scratch coat, and the flashing, but it is not
a fault of the siding product.
Ms. Larsen questioned if the board was okay with the height variations of the roof.
Mr. Evenson said it is difficult to tell what 1 or 2 feet of height differentiation will
do for the overall design, but the renderings look good.
Mr. Grochala, Community Development Director, remarked the height variation
provides visual interest and breaks up the building lengths.
Chair Tralle asked Mike Witham, 211 Woodridge Lane, if he had any questions.
Mr. Witham wondered if the outside trash area would be addressed.
Chair Tralle clarified the outside trash area was addressed at the previous meeting
and it was decided the outside trash area would be permitted since it will be enclosed
with fencing and screened by trees.
Mr. Laden suggested cornices be added around the whole building wherever the
stone meets the siding. He clarified, with the addition of the cornices, he would be
willing to move forward with the Lyngblomsten project. He also asked if more
detail regarding the recess of the windows could be provided at the next Planning
and Zoning Board meeting.
Mr. Prunty assured Mr. Laden the window detail would be provided at the next
meeting.
II. ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Reinert made a MOTION to adjourn the meeting at 3:50 p.m. Motion was supported
by Mr. Evenson. Motion carried 6-0. Chair Tralle abstained.
Respectfully submitted,
Janele Waterman, Administrative Assistant