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HomeMy WebLinkAbout03-18-2021 Council Work Session MinutesCITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION APPROVED 1 CITY OF LINO LAKES 2 MINUTES 3 4 DATE March 18, 2021 5 TIME STARTED 5:30 p.m. 6 TIME ENDED 7*30 p.m. 7 MEMBERS PRESENT Council Member Stoesz, (present on Zoom) 8 Lyden, Ruhland, Cavegn and Mayor Rafferty 9 MEMBERS ABSENT None 10 11 Staff members present: City Administrator Sarah Cotton; Public Services Director Rick 12 DeGardner; Finance Director Hannah Lynch; Community Development Director Michael 13 Grochala; and City Clerk Julie Bartell 14 15 The council meeting was held in person and telephonically on the Zoom Meeting 16 platform and as allowed by Minnesota Statutes 13D.021. 17 18 1. Preliminary Report — Recreation and Aquatic Center Feasibility Study, 19 Isaac Sports Group — 20 21 Mayor Rafferty introduced the subject matter by explaining the situation surrounding the 22 closure of the YMCA facility in the City. 23 24 Community Development Director Grochala explained that the City has taken ownership 25 of the former YMCA facility and has engaged the Isaacs Sports Group to look at the 26 facility for future use.. Isaac Sports Group will presenting their preliminary study 27 findings. Mayor Rafferty noted that this is the council's first look at the information and 28 the purpose of the meeting is to look and listen; questions will be from the council only 29 and at the end of the presentation because again this is a preliminary discussion. 30 31 Stuart Isaac and Duane Proell were presenters. Mr. Isaacs reviewed a PowerPoint 32 presentation that included information on the following: 33 - The Study Team; 34 - Process to Date; 35 - Evaluation of YMCA Programming; 36 - Evaluation of YMCA Membership Model; 37 - Challenges Faced by the YMCA; 38 - Goals and Opportunities for the Rec Center; 39 - Vision: Lino Lakes Recreation and Community Center; 40 - Management; Operating & Financial Goals; 41 - Management Model; City Managed Facility, Outsourced or Hybrid; 42 - City Managed Facility: Pros and Cons; Cost Projections; Financial Operating 43 Analysis; Projected Budgets; 44 - Outsourced Facility Management: Pros and Cons; 45 - Hybrid Management: Pros and Cons; Program Examples; Financial Impact; i CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION APPROVED 46 - Programming: Active Adults and Seniors; Fitness; Aquatics; Special Needs; 47 Swimming Safety; Sample Program; 48 - Future and Long Term Opportunities: Goals; Identification of Opportunities and 49 Needs; 50 - Timelines: Workback Schedule from Re -Opening; Factors Affecting Timeline. 51 52 Councilmember Ruhland: 53 - How much was the membership at YMCA; ($71 single/$132 Family/some other 54 options); 55 - How many members pre-COVID?; Information not available to share; but model 56 provided used those figures and final report will include more membership data, 57 - If the City kept similar price model, how many members would the City need to 58 maintain?; Noted 1, 800 membership equating to approximately 5, 000 individual 59 members; 60 - Time frame moving ahead?; Based on partial capacity and without new 61 programming; 62 - Regarding the financial analysis for a City managed facility, yearly gross revenue 63 noted and wonders what membership that is based on; not based on capacity 64 initially and probably less at the beginning than when the YMCA closed; 65 - Hoping to see a financial breakdown on management company option and hybrid 66 option; working further with staff to ensure the vision as those figures are put 67 together; 68 - Will the final report include things like physical therapist services at a breakeven 69 point; that will be included and figures such as pool rental is already included. 70 71 Councilmember Cavegn: 72 - Projections go out five years and he wonders if any expansion costs are included; 73 there are two separate analyses with the second being for expansion; 74 - He is interested in looking at how long a subsidy would be necessary; leasing 75 equipment moves breakeven an entire year forward as an example; 76 - In the work -back schedule, who does negotiations with programming partners; 77 they offer that type of service or the City may be able to do it with parameters they 78 are providing; 79 - Estimate on getting facility up and running; the six month time frame from the 80 City council pulling the trigger is doable; 81 - Is there any opportunity for short term revenue in the meantime; yes, something 82 like the pool could be brought up and running without the whole facility running 83 and could be available for specific uses or rental of space to private trainers; 84 - Will there be a report to the council on the specifics of moving on current use 85 opportunities; will add to information forthcoming. 86 87 Councilmember Ruhland: 88 - How many facilities did the YMCA close: Information not available; 89 90 Councilmember Lyden: 2 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 102 103 104 105 OR 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION A vision will be very important in moving forward and he appreciates moving to a Rec Center model; - Model will yet to be seen but the hybrid interests him; Is it realistic to think that an individual rate could be $30 and family $60; would be a real challenge and would be significantly lower than any comparable facility, adding that they studied market rate but could look at membership to base charges, The market is something like Planet Fitness, etc but he will withhold judgement; there are elements that could allow the City to compete; Use of land outside was noted and he sees potential there also; they are committed to looking at overall site; If the City does this, it must be done well in order to attract people and a communications element will be key; marketing is included as a line item, Councilmember Stoesz: Will the final review include the costs being incurred today; that will be included in final assessment; Is event center a possibility supported by use of lodging tax; investigation of that did not pan out well but they will continue to look; Will the final report talk about competition with local businesses and perhaps how to be a partner; looking at local fitness centers would be a question; Do you see any reason not to open up the outside play facility; question deferred to staff. Mayor Rafferty: Noted that there are cities and recreation needs surrounding Lino Lakes; in some cases cities are subsidizing facilities and some not but he sees possibility for partnerships; What is the term for leasing equipment; variety of leases available based on your goals (to keep the latest and greatest or spread the cost), updated equipment is recommended; Fees versus cost to operate, and ability to draw people, means this facility has to become unique (i.e. climbing wall, walking track) while also moving to open the doors as soon as possible; Mayor Rafferty noted that the information is being provided and this is an exciting time for the City. There are opportunities to be studied. 128 129 Councilmember Ruhland: 130 - Would consultants be interested in hearing from citizens in an open forum or 131 could staff work on getting feedback in some way from the community; Mayor 132 responded that the current mission is to understand what is being presented; 133 Administrator Cotton explained that staff has approached that question and now 134 that the preliminary report is received, staff would intend to discuss further how to [c3 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION APPROVED 135 move forward including getting community feedback; consultant added that they 136 have experience in the area and will have discussions with staff. 137 Councilmember Stoesz: l38 - How about a partnership with a brand of equipment and they subsidize the 139 facility; it's possible that there could be a relationship built with an equipment 140 group but it's clear that the virtual delivery of fitness programming is here to stay 141 and the current model of centers incorporates virtual services; 142 - Could be an opportunity to draw in people who can't afford expensive services. 143 144 Administrator Cotton explained that staff will be working with the consultants in the 145 coming weeks including responding to questions raised by the council tonight. 146 147 Mayor Rafferty explained that this is a preliminary conversation and report and the 148 opportunity for further discussion lies ahead. 149 150 The meeting was adjourned at 7:30 p.m. 151 152 These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the regular Council meeting held on 153 April 12, 2021. 154 155 _ 156 1 157 41 L 4r C 158 Juli nne Bartell, Ci Clerk Rob Rafferty, Mayor 159 4