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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-21-1983 Park Board Minutes SPECIAL PARK BOARD July, 1983 Minutes but no agenda or packet i-e Special Park Board Meeting July 21 , 1983 The special meeting of the Lino Lakes Park Board was called to order on July 21 , 1983 by Chairman Johnson with the following members present; R. .Johnson, Flannery,LaBlond, Scherer, Arntzen; Absent; Lindy. MINUTES Mr. Scherer moved to approve the minutes of June 6 , 1983 as presented. Seconded by Mrs . LaBlond. Motion carried unanimously. CIRCLE LEX JC ' s There was no representative present to discuss their request. This item was tabled. LaMotte Outlot Mrs . Vogt asked the Park Board to consider allowing the residents who live on the off side of the lake to purchase this outlot for the purpose of allowing them to have access to the lake. Mr. Johnson asked if the existing drainage would be interferrred with? Mr. Schumacher said he did not know what was planned for the area. Mrs . Vogt said they wanted the area for access to the lake for boats , n swimming, possible put a picnic table, they do not want this to be for the public therfore would install a gate at the entrance to the property. Mr. Johnson asked ifthis was a public access at the presnt time and was told, No. There was a question of the regulations of the water department and Mrs . Vogt said the first step was to come to the Park Board - they have not contacted the water department as yet. Mr. Schumacher reported that the City has contacted the water depart- ment and had been told for getting a permit for such as the residents are suggesting, there would be more to it than if just one property owner presented the requested. One of the residents reported that he had talked with members of the water department on several times and had been told the necessity of providing proper insurance. Mrs . Vogt asked if the Park Board would have any objections to selling this property to the residents? She felt this matter should be cleared before going to the St. Paul Water Department . Mrs . LaBlond asked why this matter was referred to the Park Board? Mr. Schumacher felt that this is a part of the open space within the City and under their control. The general consensus of the Park Board was that this Board has no jurisdictation over this Outlot. Mr. Scherer thought this was park land dedicated at the time of the plat. It was pointed out there Page, Two Sp cial Park Board Meeting July 21 , 1983 n is park land just across the street. Mr. R. Johnson felt that since the Council had forwarded this matter to the Park Board, there should be a recommendation from this Board. Mr. Johnson felt this is what the Council needs before sending these residents to other agencies for their approvals . He felt the residents needed to know if the purchase of the land is possible before seeking the requirements of the St. Paul Water Department. Mr. Mastro, who lives adjacent to the Outlot, presented his objections to the proposed use of this outlot. He felt there are some problems that should be considered. There is 13 acres across the street that is being considered for development that would increase the number of owners , also the existing owners of lake shore property should have an opportunity to be a part of the ownership of that property. He also wondered if any one had considered how this would affect the adjoining property owners when there are a lot of persons using that outlot - there could be a lot of noise and distrubance. He also listed some of the requirements of the St. Paul Water Department as to insurance. Mr. Mastro pointed out there is a 2500 acre park just on the other side of the lake with a good beach and there is also a boat accesss . Mr. Mastro felt that a decision should be made on this one way or the other. Either the land should be sold or the City should issue a policy statement on this land. There was a question as to how the City would be able to service the drainage ditch if the property is fenced and has a locked gate —this would mean that City vehicles would need to cross private property to do the work. It was generally felt that provisions could be made to allow the City to have access for this purpose. Mr. Flannery suggested that perhaps the City could consider the leasing of this property to a Home Owner ' s Association on a year to year basis . He pointed out the problems that could result in selling to a few residents who would have control over who is allowed in the Association. If this land is leased, then the City has control over how the land is used and who is allowed to use the access . Mr. Flannery felt it is vital that the City maintain ownership of the land and if , there is to be usage of the land by private citizens , then it should be on a year to year lease basis . Mr. Flannery moved to recommend to the City Council the consideration of a proposal for the leasing of this parcel of land in accordance with a lease plan that would be adopted by a Citizen' s Association. This lease plan would state who would have access to the property, how the property would be maintained, how the property would be im- proved and the liability that would be attached to the property if it were so improved. It would also be the responsibile of the Citizen' s Association to obtain permission from the St. Paul Water Department to use the land as they propose. All expenses involved would be the responsibility of the Association. Mr. Flannery pointed out it would necessary for the Citizen interested to form a non-profit organization for this purpose. Seconded by Mrs . LaBlond. Motion carried unanimously. Page Three Special Park Board Meeting July 21 , 1983 n BMX TRACK Mr. Schumacher reported that a quote for a chain link fence had been obtained by Mr. Volk in the amount of $910 . 00 , a platic fence - $481 . 00. This is just for the South edge of the track. Mr.R. Johnson had some questions on the area where the snow fence is now - he felt this is where the problems will occur, esepcially with snow mobiles . Mr. R. Johnson asked if any figures had been received from Mr. Kleinhans and Mr . Schumacher said, No. Mr. Johnson said the Lions ' Club had dedicated $1000 . 00 to the construction of this track and he felt this money could be used toward the fence. It was suggested that Mr. Schumacher contact Mr. Klienhans and asked what the financial status is at this time. Mr. Schumacher was also requested to ask Mr. Volk to measure the East line of the Park for possible fencing. ORDINANCE #83-02 The first reading of this Ordinance has already been presented by the Council . Mr. Johnson briefly went through the requirements of this ordinance. It was suggested that the penalty for violation be printed so the public is informed what the consequences are for a violation. COUNTRY LAKES PARK UPDATE Mr . Schumacher reported on the meeting with Mr . L. Jambois . They toured the lake by boat. The park property was inspected and found theere is a silt problem but it is about 150 ' out into the Lake and very little in the area proposed for a beach in the park. Mr. Jambois felt this area was adequate for the proposed use. On the weed problem, Mr. Jambois recommended that a hydrogolist be contacted for his recommendation; Mr. Arntzen asked if the boat access had been discussed and Mr. Jambois suggested, that since this area is very shallow, that a shallow access by provided that would only accomadate canoes , sail boats , etc. Mr . Arntzen felt that the money dedicated to the installation of a boat launch be used in some other area of development of that park. If the launch area is to be shallow, most of the boats using the area would be protable, therefore an elaborate boat launch is unnecessary. Mr.Schumacher suggested that the original schedule be maintained - that is , develop the park as planned and leave the launch area to the last There is only $2500 . 00 proposed for this purpose. Page your Special Park Board Meeting July 21 , 1983 There was general discussion as to when the construction on this park should begin. It was felt the planning has been going on for approximately three _years and development should get started. Mrs. LaBlond moved to request authorization from the City Council to authorize plans and specifications and to advertise for bids for the development of Country Lakes Park. Seconded by Mr. Flannery. Motion carried unanimously. This will be on the August 8 , 1983 Council agenda. Some members expressed a desire to be present when this is discussed and Mr.Schumacher said he would put matter early on the agenda. OLD BUSINESS Mr. K. Johnson felt that the Rice Lake Estates proposal as discussed by the Planning and Zoning Board should be discussed. He noted there was a letter from Circle Pines stating that, if there are no tot lots in this development , there could be an impact on their park. Mr . Johnson felt that Circle Pines did not seemed to be concerned with their impact on Sunrise Park. He felt the letter was out of line. Mr.K. Johnson also questioned why the Planning and Zoning felt the need for tot lots in that area and also, who should make the recommendations to the Council concerning parks - the Park Board or the Planning and Zoning Board? Mr. R. Johnson questioned the road easment between the development and the park - is it still there? (Clerk' s Note : this has been vacated) . Mr. R. Johnson asked what the cash amount to the Park Board would be and Mr. Schumacher thought about $6700 . 00 . Mr. R. Johnson asked where the Planning and Zoning had proposed for the installation of the tot lot and Mr. Schumacher reported that they had suggested 20 , 000 square feet in Block 8 , near Lots 15 and 35 . Also, the developer develop this tot lot. Chairman Johnson asked for the consensus of the Park Board on this matter and the Board voted unanimously to require money in lieu of land in the Rice Lake Estates Plat. The general feeling of the Board was that tot lots are unnecessary in this plat with the nearness of the existing- park. There was discussion on the area being left for future park purposes - this would give access to the existing park. The Board has some questions as to the ability to use this are for a foot path - Mr. Schumacher said he had not walked the property and did not know how low it was . Mr. R. Johnson moved to reccomend to the Council that a 40 ' easement be provided in Lot 1 , Block and Lot-1, Block 1 , from the street to the Regional Park Boundary. Seconded by Mr. Flannery. Motion carried unanimously. Page Five Special Park Board Meeting July 21 , 1983 NEW BUSINESS Mr. Arntzen asked if any thing has been done about spraying for mosquitos in the Parks and the Board felt this matter is handled by the DNR and there was no answer. Mrs . LaBlond asked if the Council has discussed the survey since she had re-classified the usage-and Mr. Schumacher said, No, not yet. The request by the JC' s for the use of Sunrise Park on July 31 , 1983 for a project. The area of the Hocky rink is the only area to be used. Mrs . LaBlond moved to approve this request. Seconded by Mr. Flannery. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. R. Johnson moved to adjourn. Seconded by Mr. Scherer. Motion carried unanimously.