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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-07-1980 Park Board Minutes PARK BOARD July, 1980 Minutes but no agenda or packet n Park, Recreational and Environmental Commission July 7 , 1980 The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Park, Recreational and Environmental , commission was called to order at 7 : 30 P .M. Monday , July 7 , 1980 by Chair- ian Liljedahl . Members present : Scherer, Johnson , Foster, Sears , Liljedahl , Shaughnessy . Members absent: Crouse . Mr . Schumacher and Mr . Volk were also present . Mr . Scherer moved to accept the minutes of the June 2 , 1980 meeting as presented. Mr shaughnessy seconded the motion . Motion declared passed . The first item on the agenda is the Comprehensive Plan for Sunrise Park and Country Lakes Park . Mr . Schumacher intorduced Mr . Mike Johnson , Admin- istrative Assistant and Mr. Johnson introduced Doris Sullivan who is a graduate student of the University of Minnesota with a degree in Landscape Architecture . Mr. Johnson said he had contacted Mrs . Sullivan and sent her all the information she had requested for planning these two parks . Mrs . Sullivan said she was not prepared to comment on Sunrise Park as she had just seen it today but had seen both Country Lakes Park and Shen- andoah Park. She explained that the procedure for a site plan is to first do a thorough analysis of the site; soils , vegetation and what activities the site can handle and come up with several plans to choose from. After a plan is selected the community develops the plan . Mrs . Sullivan also gave the Board some background regarding her experience in working in other communities and also explained how she would determine some costs for her services . She felt that if she did a very detailed plan her expenses for Country Lake Park and Shenandoah Park would be 5300 . 00 to $400 . 00 . The total cost including her time would be about 2, 750. 00 One park, Country Lakes , for instance would be $1 , 400 . 00 . Mrs . Sullivan said she felt Country Lakes Park had a lot of potential and deserved carefull planning to preserve all the natural assets and provide a few activities . As for Sunrise Park all that is needed is something to dress it up. Mrs . Liljedahl felt Shenandoah Park could be worked into something nice . A neighborhood park rather than a community park. Mr . Schumacher said that when Shenandoah II is developed there will be an additional 2 . 9 acres . Mrs . Sears asked if the present plans prepared for Country Lakes Park would be discarded. Mrs . Sullivan said she did riot know yet . This would probably depend on soil conditions . Mrs . Sullivan asked if there would be some agreement between herself and the City . Mrs . Liljedahl said the Board would have to ask the Council for permission for any expenditure . Mr. Scherer said that any plans that are developed by Mrs . Sullivan now will be helpfull even if the development is not done now but some time in the future. qrs . Schumacher said the Park Board should decide what parks they wanted 10-*Nrs . Sullivan to work on because there is a budgeted amount and the Council ,ould want them to try and stay within the budget . The Board should state a priority . Mrs . Liljedahl felt Country Lakes should be a priority now. Mr. Foster suggested that Board wait with Shenandoah Park until one plan can be designed to the entire park. Park, Recreational and Environmental Commission July 7 , 1980 ge -2- 1'he Park Board decided Country Lakes design at a cost of $1 , 700 would be their priority . Mr. Schumacher said he would like to bring this before the Council . Mr. Scherer felt this was not necessary since money was already budgeted for planning expenses . Mr. Foster asked if Sunrise and Country Lakes Parks could be designed with the $2 ,000 . Mr. Schumacher felt this would not be a problem. Mrs . Sears asked if Mrs . Sullivan could give an estimate on Sunrise Park this week. She said if both parks could be done for the $2,000 she would prefer this . Mrs . Sullivan said she did not know yet . Mr. Scherer moved to ask the Council to give the Park Board authority to hire Mrs . Sullivan to design both Sunrise Park and Country Lakes Park with Country Lakes Park being the priority . Mr. Johnson seconded the motion. Motion declared passed . The next item on the agenda is the LAWCON grant . Mr. Schumacher explained that the State had ranked the City 4th and the Metropolitan Council had ranked the City at the bottom and the overall ranking was 14th . Mr. Schum- acher had talked to a number of people at Metro Council and gained consider- able knowledge of how to go about this process in the future . Lino Lakes needs to build a better working relationahip with Metro Council and let them know what we are trying to do . Also funds were cut way back this year . Mr. Shaughnessy asked who are these Metro Council members and how are they ,ppointed. Mr. Scherer said the governor: appoints them. Mr . Schumacher Schumacher Nid he felt that next years application will be better drafteaJ because �ie criteria is now better understood. Mrs . Liljedahl felt the City should have better contact with Metro. Mr. Scherersaid that this City is not progressive enough and the Council should let the Boards operate and have enough faith in them. If they do not have faith in the Boards they should not appoint them. Mr. Schumacher said another area in which the application was ranked very low was housing. We do not have diversified housing. Mr. Schumacher said the Metro criteria will be reviewed in February . Mrs . Liljedahl said she feels at this point there will be no new building at City Hall Park. But she felt some of the other things planned such as ice rinks could be started now. At this point the parks are maintained well but other than that the Council has not seen fit to go along with any development . Mr. Scherer said he felt that this community is not interested in parks . Mr. Schumacher felt the survey prepared by the East Shadow Lake residents was a good idea . It can stimulate some involvement by the community. Mrs . Liljedahl said she would like to set up some criteria and get moving on something. Mr. Johnson suggested something be added to the tax levy to improve the parks not just maintain them. There was further discussion of the Park Board roll and the fact they must go to the Council for approval of all ,,�pendi Lures . Mr. Volk presented some-literature on park & playground equipment . He sugg- ested holding a workshop to discuss possible plans for equipment and take it to the Council . Park, Recreational and Environmental Commission July 7 , 1980 ,.Wage -3- Mr. Volk gave his estimates on a hockey rink that doubles as a tennis court in the summer. There is a problem with deminsions in that a hockey rink size is not quite a double tennis court size. A hockey rink is 80 ' x 200 ' and an official tennis court is 60 ' x 120 ' . An official hockey rink would cost about $7 , 000 excluding labor and without blacktop for a tennis court . If lighting is required using what poles , etc. that is already there, the additional cost would be about $3 ,000 . If a blacktop mat to tennis court specs were added there would be another cost of $20 ,000 . Mr. Volk did not think this was good use of the park funds . The plan was to put a second hockey rink at Sunrise Park in 1981 . Mr. V9jksoriginal estimate was $15,000 and this included all new fixtures . He did say there are other ways of building hockey rinks for instance, those that are taken down each season . However, the labor involved with putting them up and tearing them down brings their cost in line with a permanent rink. Mr. Johnson asked the cost of a double tennis court and Mr. Volk said it would be near $15 ,000 . There was discussion regarding the need for two hockey rinks at Sunrise Park. Mrs . Sears said she felt the Board should direct their energies towards i new hockey rink and a pleasure rink and maybe a tennis court . � Irs . Liljedahl thanked Mr. Volk and suggested the Board get together and go over their plans . Mrs . Liljedahl asked what it would cost to have a pleasure rink at City Hall in the area designated on the City Hall Park Plan . Mr. Volk estimated $1 ,000 . He also suggested renting a warming house . Mrs . Liljedahl said she would like the Council to give the Board a decision or direction on the all season building. Mr. Scherer moved to ask the Council to give the Board a yes or no on the all season building. Mr. _Shaughnessy seconded the motion . Motion declared passed. Mr . Scherer asked when the 1981 budget will be prepared and Mr . Schumacher said it will be started in about two week is and be presented to the Council in September. Mr. Scherer asked if the Council would approve if the Park Board asked for an appropriation of $40 ,000 above the regular budget for this building. Mr . Schumacher suggested that all the Park Board members attend the Council budget hearings and when the Council says that a part- icular item is ridiculous there can be some input from the Park Board. Be there in a group and also bring members of the community . Vr . Scherer asked if LaMotte Park could be sold. He felt it was near Center- "_'Nille and there would be duplication of facilities . Mr. Scherer moved to ask the Council to sell LaMotte Park and put the money into a trust fund. Mr. Johnson seconded the motion . Motion declared passed . Park, Recreational and Environmental Commission July 7 , 1980 rage -4- Mrs . Liljedahl wanted clarification about land dedicated from contractors who are platting. She was under the impression this was dedicated park land but was told this is dedicated City property . Mr. Schumacher said he thought that this gives the City the flexibility to use the land for something other than parks . Mrs . Liljedahl felt it should be brought to the Councils attention that the Board is not happy with this idea . Mr. Foster moved that the Board get some answers and funding or disband. He felt that they were useless . Without funds or cooperation the Board cannot do a thing. There was no second. Mr. Scherer asked when the expense checks would be prepared . Mr. Schumacher said they will be approved by Council July 14, 1980 . Mr. Scherer moved to adjourn. Mr. Shaughnessy seconded the motion . Aye.