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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-15-1976 Park Board Minutes PARK BOARD November, 1976 Minutes but no agenda or packet November 15, 1976 The regular meeting of the Park Recreation and Environmental Commission was called to order at 8:06 P.M. November 15, 1976 by Chairman Resch. Members present: Olson, Resch, Gredvig, Ringaman, Liljedahl , Scherer and Hanson. Members absent: none. Mr. Schneider Council liaison was also present. Mrs. Anderson call the roll . Mr. Ringaman asked for clarification of the October 19, 1976 minutes on page 2, paragraph 7. After discussion, Mrs. Liljedahl moved to accept the minutes as prepared. Mr. Scherer seconded the motion. Motion carried. Hockey Rink Guidelines Mr. Tilton representing the Centennial Hockey Assn. asked for clarification of the use of the hockey rinks and the flooding. He wanted to know who keeps the keys to the warming house. Mrs. Liljedahl explained to him, Mrs. Billik had the keys. Mr. Gredvig arrived at 8: 14 P.M. Mr. Tilton suggested the hockey rinks would stay in better shape if the outside of the rinks could be banked. He also asked about hoses for flooding, saying he could get some hoses if they are needed. The grading of the rinks was discussed. Mr. Tilton felt they needed to be absolute- ly level for proper maintenance. Mr. Ringaman asked Mr. Tilton if he knew anything about blacktopped hockey rinks. Mr. Tilton said, No. Mr. Resch asked Mr. Tilton when the Centennial Hockey Assn. will meet again. Mr. Tilton said November 29, 1976. Mr. Resch suggested asking Mr. Volk to attend this meeting for further explanation of the guidelines. Mr. Tilton said he felt the hockey rinks were in good general condition. The Park Commission thanked Mr. Tilton for coming this evening. Mr. Smothers and Mrs. Thiel of the Lino Lakes Recreation Assn. were here to discuss the hockey rink guidelines. Mr. Smothers asked when the rinks will be graded. He was told the pleasure rink will Fe—graded soon, probably this week. Mr. Smothers asked who is responsible for accidents on the rinks. The Park Commission felt that the Association would be responsible for accidents on the hockey rinks. Mr. Ringaman felt that since the pleasure rink is for freepublic use the liability belongs to the City. Mrs. Anderson is to check with Mrs. Sarner and the City insur- ance carrier. Mrs. Smothers asked if a trailer would be brought in to serve as a warming house. Mr. Schneider explained the trailer had not been approved as yet by the Council because cost estimates were not provided. He felt that this should be checked into as soon as possible in case a trailer needed to be reserved. n Mr. Ringaman felt operating costs needed to be taken into consideration as well . Mr. Scherer felt it would be hard to estimate heating costs since the doors of the trailer are constantly being opened. Mrs. Thiel asked about bathroom facilities and Mr. Ringaman told her they were sort Page -2- November 15, 1976 n of overlooked because of the cost of renting satelites. Mr. Smothers said the Athletic Assn. has set up its own schedule for use of the rinks. They have also set up rules for use of the pleasure rinks to keep the rink under control . Mr. Smothers will submit the Associations proposed rules for the pleasure rink to the Park Commission for their approval . Location of the warming house keys was discussed. Mr. Smothers said the Recreation Association will place a key at one of the local businesses and the key will be checked out each time its used. The Commission thanked Mr. Smothers and Mrs. Thiel for coming this evening. Mr. Schneider asked for clarification about the pleasure rink at Sunrise Park. Is the hockey assn. responsible for the use of the pleasure rink too? He was told Mrs. Billik keeps the keys to the warming house and she opens it when needed. He felt someone from the Park Commission should visit her and co-ordinate the responsibilities of the rinks and warming house. Mr. Ringaman said he would talk to her and see what can be done. City Hall Park - University Planning Mrs. Anderson read a letter from Jolly Roberts and Susan Spain to Mr. Resch regard- ing the planning of City Hall Park by these two University students. Mr. Resch questioned the cost of the planning as proposed in their letter. He felt we did need a complete plan if the City is going to try to obtain Federal grants for Park use. Mrs. Liljedahl pointed out that the Council will not approve improvements unless there is a total plan. Mr. Ringaman said he would like to know what is budgeted for Parks for 1977. Mr. Schneider explained the budget to him. He also explained that there is going to be additional monies received by the Parks from some of the area developers. Mrs. Liljedahl asked if the Park Commission could use some money budgeted for the parking lot to pay for the University Planning. There was discussion on how park -Jasd is allocated by the developer. Mr. Scherer felt that we do not need any more park land but money to improve the parks we now have. Mr. Ringaman suggested taking the land set aside for each development and holding the land until the time when the development is completed and then selling the land at the developed value. This would give the City time to determine if the land is needed for purposed parks according to the density of the population. Mr. Schneider felt the City could be taking on too much land. Mr. Hanson asked if the Open Space program would overlap with some of the plans pro- posed by the University students. Mr. Schneider suggested asking Mr. McLean or a Planning and Zoning member to attend the next Park meeting to discuss the Open Space Program and see if the Planning and Zoning Board is including park land in their over- all planning. Mr. Gredvig suggested that the Park Commission could plan the City Hall Park themselves. Mrs. Liljedahl wondered if the Council would find these plans acceptable. Page -3- November 15, 1976 Mr. Scherer explained his daughter is attending school in Mankato and she did this type of planning for Hopkins and Hopkins did not pay the students for time or expenses. He felt since the University students are using this as a school project they should not be paid for their time. Mr. Schneider suggested inviting the students to the next Park meeting and giving each Council member a copy of the letter they sent to Mr. Resch. Mr. Gredvig moved that the University girls be asked to attend the next Park meeting to further describe their project. Mr. Hanson seconded the motion. Motion carried. Mr. Resch asked Mrs. Anderson to contact the students. Mr. Schneiders Report A second bid is needed for repair of the storage barn at Sunrise Park since the total cost will be over $500.00. Mr. Mobley is preparing specification for another bid. The Pleasure rink will be surveyed and graded later this week. The warming house trailer will be checked further by Mrs. Anderson and Mr. Volk. Sunset Oaks There are three proposed parks for this plat. The Planning and Zoning Board had re- commended they be small neighborhood parks. Also the total area to be developedinto parks is not 10% of the total development. The Council would like a recommendation fromthe Park Commission as to use and specification of equipment. After discussion Mr. Gredvig moved to recommend to the Council that the three parks offered by Sunset Oaks be accepted as per Ordinance #21B on the condition that the market value of 10% of the acreage as assessed by the assessor be put towards develop- ment of the parks and that any amount over and above the acreage proposed for parks be dedicated to the development and equipment of these parks. That the developer of the parks submit his plan for equipment and facilities to the Park Commission for their approval before work is to start. At such time of development when 4 of the proposed homesites are completed one park shall be complete, when 2 of the homesites are completed two parks will be completed and 3/4 of the homesites are completed all three parks will be completed. It is also recommended that two parks be developed as tot lots and the third, the most northerly and largest park be developed with a baseball field. Mrs. Liljedahl seconded the motion. The motion carried with Mr. Scherer voting, No. Attendance Mr. Schneider asked the Park Commission to submit their feelings and suggestions on getting better attendance and more effecti;te meetings. Mr. Scherer felt it was frustrating to try to suggest improvements when .there is no financing. Mr. Resch suggested each member call the office when he cannot be at the meeting and thus can avoid the 'no quorum' situation. Mr. Gredvig felt the meetings take to long. Discussion is good but its frustrating Page -4- November 15, 1976 when the Park Commission goes off the point or is discussing more than one issue at a time. He felt many items could be glossed over or eliminated entirely. His sugg- estions were; stick to the point and get rid of irrelevant conversations. Mr. Hanson agreed. Mr. Gredvig felt there was no excuse for a lack of a quorum. New Business Mr. Schneider asked Mrs. Anderson to have copies of the cash flow for 1976 and copies of the 1977 budget for the next meeting. He would like the 1977 cash flow at every meeting in 1977. Mr. Scherer moved to adjourn at 10:40. Mr. Hanson seconded the motion. Motion carried.