HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/18/1972 P&Z MinutesThe regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Planning; and Zoning Board was called to
order at 8 :12 P.M. on October 16, 1972. Present were Misters, **Lean, Kelling,
Karth, Hill, Nadeau and Shearen. Mr. Farrand was absent. Mr. 'Metier was present
as lieson to the Council.
hile the Board members studied the minutes of the past meetings, Mr. Marier
commended the Deputy- Clerk, Joan Heath, on the job of taking minutes. He noted
he appreciated the thorough and clear way in which they were done.
Mr. Karth moved to accept the minutes of the September 20th meeting as corrected:
Page 3, line 1: first number should be 12Q
Seconded by Mr. Shearen. Motion carried.
Mr. Hill moved to accept the minutes of the Special October 11th meeting as
corrected:
Page 2: acreage chart on the bottom should read;
Block 1 & 4 (on lake)
Block 3
Outlot 1
Outlot G
Block 5
Outlot L
2.3 acres
4 acres
5.8 acres
1.8 acres
7 acres
2.8 scree
13.8 acres
Page 3, Paragraph 3, line 4: about $7.00 per foot, Delete $4.00 to $5.00 per
foot.
lconded by Mr, Shearen. Motion carried.
There is only one major item on the agenda, that of U. S. Lakes replotting. roe
have been presented with additional information. The Village Planner and
ngineer also received these mops, but too late to get comments back on them.
Mr. Busch explained the maps to the Board. The overal Projected Land Use Play.
1,:s originally presented to the Council in 1968 -9. This one was drawn in 1972: r
irg as comprehensive as the area and company permit.
pother map was a Legend, showing the proposed perk area grassed and planted
h_ trees. It showed grass in the major park loction. He noted if the
7. iunity wants to install more, more controls would be necessary. The develo-2
1,,,.'1d grass the area. "ralkways are also outlined. These would be less herd
tnen blacktop. There are 13.8 acres of park. The East side of the Lake would
bl developed first. The 'oest side can't be developed until sewer is in - they
gust justify putting a park on that side for that reason.
McLean mentioned that he felt the opinion of the people present at the last
L,pecial .meetings was that they don't want a park in Addition 42. He noted
ybe their planning theory isn't velif if people don't want it.
Busch said they have no objection to putting a park on the Vest side really,
but he felt a small number of people objecting wasn't really a sufficient
ndication that it wasn't wanted. He noted there will be 180 residences.
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Parking was mentioned as a problem at this proposed park. gib'. Musch didn't feel
it would be a problem. It would be a park for mothers to take their children
ibr a walk end to maybe swim. He felt it would be premature to have a park on the
lest side of the Lake as it doen't fit in with anything.
W. McLean indicated the feeling of the Village was that the rest of the Village
must be considered too. He suggested running the park inland from the lake so as
to include more than lake activities.
The area in candy stripe on the Projeoted map is only land the company owns by
fee and contract ownership.
Mh'. Karth asked what the objection would be to give the extra land in the buffer
zone to the land owners. Yr. Busch felt it would be self defeating in terms of
open space area and space. Also some would be so large and the taxes very great.
Mt. Hill brought up the problem of mini bikes and snowmobiles on the buffer zone,
also the construction of fences around. property.
Mr. Busch felt the material used for the walkway wouldn't be suitable for mini
bikes. People aren't going to come from all over the country to bicycle. He
projected that if it worked it woad be continued throughout other areas.
MoLean asked if other uses were considered for this buffer zone when making
plans. Mr. Busch said more lots could have been put in. He also said it is not
the same exact layout 88 was planned with townhouses.
There was discussion as to public access tothe lake. The club house and marina
Mould be private. The feeling of the members was that there should be one public
access with boat launch, although usage of the Lire should be restricted es it is
cr..ly about 350 acres. W. Musoh didn't think a power boat access was necessary.
La lake is ideally set up for sail boating and small power boats. Mr. Hill asked
what is the primary use of the lake, fishing, recreation, etc? W. Busch said
the company's idea is that the lake be reasonably versatile to the people in the
area. He said the club house will be built first and then the marina. The
marina will be confined to small power crafts and sail boats.
It was questioned how the Village would control the lake. Mr. Busch felt it was
oremature for the Village to lay down any controls until they see what's
bappenning.
There was discussion as to the fishing in the lake. Mr. Kelling sold there
were crappies in the lake years ago, and if it were sufficiently deepened there
could be again. Jack IIielentheis said they have achieved a depth of 15-20 feet
ix1 some areas.
here was discussion concerning the walkways and the motorized vehicle problem
also maintenance of such a zone. It was noted that there is no way to keep
people off a public area. The problem of people throwing rubbish over the fence
such a zone was discussed.
There was discussion about changing the zoning from R5 to all Ri. Mr. Hill
elt if they don't, it's possible to later change to a different system. Mr
rich said the company has no objection to rezoning it all Rl.
lLn. Beyer presented a proposed tissue overlay of the vehicular curve mentioned
77.ty Mr. VanHousen at the last meeting. He had felt the side distance was limited.
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lug; Merier went over the lots which W. Gottwald suggested as needing rill.
W. Hill asked if the Park Board has any feelings on what they went in a perk.
Mr. McLean felt they had not set down any criteria. W. Merier thought the
Council would be in favor of a park system in one area rather then spread
throughout an area.
W. IGelling felt the P & Z Board should go on record as saying that they want
powered vehicles kept at zero.
There was discussion concerning the 7,000 feet of sanitary service extensions
needed, also the assessment proposal. Mr. Busch said W. Carley hes all of
that in his notes. He could see no need for another bond issue. Mt. Marier
paid it would require a tax, or a levey or a bond issue.
Mr. McLean read a letter from W. Gottwald regarding the sewer question. There
was general discussion, also as it regarded fiscal relationship.
Lakes was asked about sales in the vedelopment. They said the sewer problem
has restricted sales. Only 23 out of 160 lots have been sold. Sales have been
slow since February since the sewer problem appeared in the papers.
M. Nadeau asked if expanding the sewer now will improve the system now. W.
yer said yes, it would improve the flow. Mr. Nadeau noted it wouldn't make it
ziy easier to handle and haul away.
Mr. McLean asked if there was a covenant in the contracts with the individuals
oatline a golf course as related to their lots. W. Musoh said no. gnether
they had a legal case, he didn't know.
Kelling coved that the Pllenning and Zoning Commission recommend to the
Council that the two (2) applications for variance to our Zoning Code presented
by U. S. Lakes be accepted provided that U. S. Lakes revises their applications
as follayst
1. Both applications be revised to provide for R 1 zoning on all lands
covered in the two applications.
2. Delete all open space or park proposal from the two applications
3. The platting be revised to utilize those areas that were designated as
open space.
4. Revise East Shadow Lake Drive to suggested layout provided by U. S. Lakes.
5. The development and sale of lots be restricted to 75.80% of the
presently serviced areas before proceeding to platted areas requiring
extension of services.
rylonded by Mir. Shearen. Carried with Mr. Nadeau voting no, as he didn't
understand every aspect.
W. Kelling moved secondly that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommend
o the Council that they develop an open space or park proposal that will also
provide public access to Reshnau Lake and that this proposal be presented to
U. S. Lakes. U. S. Lakes after negotiation, will provide lands in their
development to support this proposal in a quenitity related to their 10%
requirement under our ordinances. Seconded by Mr. Karth. Motion carried
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unanimously,
1, McLean read a letter from Mr, Earl Kammerer, dated October 14, 1772, dealing
with a variance granted to them September 25th. His question now deals with an
easement into this property, and just what would be required should they want
to build on their lots, br, Herter noted the minutes of the October 20th
meeting spelled out his problem with dedicated roads, etc. Mr. McLean
recommended forwarding the letter to Attorney Locher and ask that he give his
coments to the Council.
Mere was discussion of signs around the Village for which permits have not
been obtained.
Mr. McLean moved to recommend that the development !mown as Forjay on Hwy. 49,
be required to provide development plans subject to the zoning ordinance prior
to issuance of any further building permits. Seconded by Mr, Hill, Carried.
Mr. Hill mentioned that Skyline Auto Body is now advertising that they sell
gain dryers. He wondered if this is within their permit, since it is
different than what they came in with. The feeling was that since it is
zoned commercial we would have no control over what they sell.
re was discussion on restrictions on target shooting.
r. Kelling moved to adjourn at 10:20 P. ANN Seconded by W. McLean. Carrie: