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HomeMy WebLinkAbout02/21/1973 P&Z Minutes2 -21 -1973 The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board was called to order at 8:15 P.M. on February 21., 1973 by Chairman McLean. Members present: Misters Kel I ing, Karth, Shearen, Hi l 1. Absent Misters Nadeau and Farrand. Attorney Locher was also absent due to illness. Mr. Marier was present as liaison to the Council. Mr. Shearen moved to accept the minutes of January 17, 1973 and the Special Minutes of February 8, 1973 as presented. Seconded by Mr. Karth. Motion carried. The Public hearing for the repiatting of U. S. Lakes Addition #3 was opened at 8:20 P. M. Mr. Busch and Mr. Dielentheis were here to represent U. S. Lakes. Mr. Meyer, from Suburban Engineering was also present. Mr. McLean read the copies of the posted notices on the vacations of certain streets and the notic a for final plat hearings and on certain easements of drainage and utilities. Mr. McLean read the recommendations of the P & Z Board to U. S. Lakes at the October 18, 1973 meeting as follows: 1. Both applications be revised to provide for RI zoning on all lands covered in the two applications. 2. Delete all open space or park proposal from the two applications. 3. The Platting be revised to utilize those areas that were designated as open space. 4. Revise East Shadow Lake Drive to suggested layout provided by U. S. Lakes. 5. The development and sale of lots be restricted to 75 -80% of the presently serviced areas before proceeding to platted areas requiring extension of services. Mr. McLean then read a letter from Mr. Gotwald stating that the Plat was generally the same; some of the lots and streets had been changed in order to conform with the Village specifications. The streets also conform to our spec- ifications. Our Village ordinance requires that all street improvements be crranged for prior to the signing of the final plat. Mr. Gotwald will make the cost estimates when the plat has received final approval of the Council. He recommends approval of the plat. Mr. Karth had some questions as to the size of some of the lots. Mr. Meyer said that all lot areas were computerized and they had been very careful to conform to our requirements. He checked the lots in question and they were of legal size. There was a question concerning the lots on the cul -de -sacs which did not have 75' on the street as required by our zoning ordinance. There was much discussion on this since the chart in the zoning ordinance requires 75' at the set back line. They felt that the configuration of the lots on the cul -de -sacs would not conform to a 75' frontage and a 75' set back there is the Ooss ibi i:i ty .that the lots 'would then be oversized. Mr. Ke l l i ng noted that the approval of cul-de-sacs creates problems. He felt that we must make some absolute rules as to frontage on cul -de -sacs an%1 suggested that the Planning & Zoning Board establish some firrr requirements. • • Page Two Mr. Shearen said this discrepancy was discussed at the preliminary hearing and his understanding was that the impression given to U. S. Lakes was that these lots would be approved as platted. Mr. Marier felt that the 75' at the street was the intent of the Planning & Zoning Board and he thought that the 75' set back requirement should be elim- inated by resolution. Mr. Kelling moved to accept the plat with recommendation to the Council to change the set -back requirements for future plats and to require 75' frontage on the street as well as 75' at the set back line on all lots. Mr. Busch said this would make it difficult on developers for platting purposes. That all platting would have to be done with the grid principal. The motion was seconded by Mr. Karth. Mr. McLean wondered if we were setting a precedent by allowing these cul -de -sacs. Mr. Karth asked if we could specify that all cul -de -sacs lots have a 65' frontage - would we then be accused of discrimination? Mr. Marier felt that this would only be in the interest of the Village - that it would be 'a protection against lots that would conform to the overall size but would be odd shaped lots that would be hard to build on. Mr. Busch made the comment that with the street frontage and the set back foot- age the same there could only be rectangular platting - or if on cul -de -sacs the lots would be oversized. He suggested that before a decision was made on this that the Planning and Zoning Board consult with a Planner and an Engineer. Mr .McLean called for a vote on Mr. Kelling's motion. Motion failed. Mr. Kelling moved to accept this plat as presented by U. S. Lakes for Lakes Addition #3. Seconded by Mr. Shearon. Motion carried. Mr. Shearen moved to recommend to the Council that they took into the discrep- ancies of the lot frontage and the set back footage in order to avoid this conflict in the future. Seconded by Mr. Kelling. MOtion carried. Mr. McLean moved that all lands covered in Lakes Addition #3 plat be revised to R 1 zoning in all instances. Seconded by Mr. Shearen. Motion carried. Mr. McLean noted that all Park lands had been eliminated from the new plat, but asked about the open space, would this be regarded as Public Property? Mr. Marier felt that if it was accepted as Public Property it would create a problem as to patrolling and maintenance. Mr. Shearen asked if this area could be absorbed by extending the existing lots and having a common lot line at the rear of the lots. Mr. Busch said it had been platted in that manner so as to conform to an Open Space concept. The problems encountered in extending these lots would fall into the area of lots on East Shadow Lake that are already occupied. This open space concept had been approved by the Council. t • Page Three Mr. Marier felt that this area wi 11 create problems and he felt that the Council will have to reconsider this area. Mr. McLean asked: Do we recommend to accept as platted with recommendations that the Council deal with the problem of ownership and maintenance of the Open Space area? Mr. Karth was concerned with the cost of maintenance - Mr. Shearen would approve specifying that the Council check the ownership of the area. Mr. Kelling felt that we should figure out a way to accept as is. Mr. Hill wondered about the total acreage in this area. Mr. Shearen moved to accept the open space concept as platted with recommendations to the Council to check into the pros and cons of Village ownership. The Council also is to check into the drainage of the area and if Village ownership is obtain - :,J, then this area is to be seeded and planted with trees. Seconded by Mr. Kelling Motion carried. On Point #4 of the October 18, 1972 meeting to revise East Shadow Lake Drive.This has been done on the present plat. On Point #5 to develop 75 -80% of the presently serviced lots, U. S. Lakes will comply. M-. Kelling moved #4 be accepted and #5 recommendations presented as written. Seconded by Mr. Shearen. Motion carried. Mr. Shearen moved to accept the vacations of the lands as presented in the publication of public notices. Seconded by Mr. Kelling. Motion carried. Mr. McLean moved to accept the final plat of U. S. Lakes Addition #3 as presented with exceptions noted in the afore - aoing motions. Seconded by Mr. Shearen. Motion carried. The Public Hearing on the final plat of U. S. Lakes Addition #3 was closed. Mr. McLean would request that in the future that Mr. Locher or Mr. Boh j anen make arrangements to have an attorney present at hearings such as this. The Planning and Zoning Board feels that they are not qualified to interpret legal language and need an Attorney present. Mr. Shearen moved to recommend to the Council that a search be made for a Planner ard before the hiring of such planner that the P &Z and the Liaison have a chance to screen this person. He would recommend that this be done before their next meeting. Seconded by Mr. Karth. Aye. Mr, Karth asked about the screening at the Emery building. The recommendation of the P &Z was to have this up in 3 years. Mr. Marier will look into this recommendation. The P &Z Board asked the Clerk to check into the recommendations concerning the Skyline Auto Body as to their screening requirements and report back to the Board. Mr. McLean reminded the members of the Open Space Hearing on March 1, 1973 at the M tro Square Building. Also, there is an Open Space meeting here at the Village Lrall on March 8, 1973, with the County representatives. Mr. McLean asked that the Clerk set aside one hour on the March agenda for work on the comprehensive zoning map. Mr. Hill asked that the discussion on cul -de -sacs also be on the March Agenda and that Mr. Gotwald be contacted for his feelings. There was discussion on the number of instances in our Village where our Ordinances are being violated and there is no prosecution of the offenders. The PSI recom.^erc to the Council that every effort be made to enforce the Ordinances that we now have on the books. Mr. Kelling moved to adjourn at 10:45P.M. Seconded by Mr. Shearen. Aye.