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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/08/2006 P&Z MinutesAPPROVEDMINUTES CITYOFLINOLAKES PLANNING&ZONINGBOARDMINUTES I.CALLTOORDERANDROLLCALL : Chair Tralle calledtheLinoLakesPlanningandZoningBoardmeetingtoorderat 6 :37 p.m.on November8 ,2 006 . II.APPROVALOFAGENDA Theagendawasapproved aspresented . III.APPROVALOFMINUTES: October11,200 6 Mr.Rafferty madeaMOTION to approvethe October11 ,200 6 Minutes without changes .Motionwas supportedby Mr.Nelson .Mot ion carried 4 -0. IV.OPENMIKE Chair Tralle declared O pen M ike at 6:38 p.m. Therew asnoonepresentforOpenMike. Mr.La d en madeaMOTIONtocloseOpenMikeat6:39 p.m.Motionwas supportedby Mr.Rafferty .Motioncarried 4 -0 . V.ACTIONIT EMS D ATE :November8 ,200 6 TIMESTARTED :6 :37 P.M. TIMEENDED :9 :16 P.M. MEMBERSPRESENT :Perry Laden,RobertNe lson ,Rob Rafferty ,Paul Tralle(Chair),MichaelRoot MEMBERSABSENT :Bri anPogalz(ViceChair),Michael Hyden STAFFPRESENT :PaulBengtson ,JeffSmyser &JimStudenski Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 2 APPROVED MINUTES A.PUB LICHEARINGfora PreliminaryPlatandVariancesforfrontsetbackand uplandlotareaforFran’sEstate Mr.Bengtsonpresentedthestaffreport. Mr.Bengtson stated thatthisitemwasdiscussedattheOctober11,2006 meeting .Mr. Bengtson notedacorrectiontothestaffreport thatparkdedicationforthisapplication wouldincludeonelotonly,andtheamountwouldbeadjusted fromthestaffreport .He clarifiedthat the conditionreferringtoparkdedicationdidnot specify anamount, t h ereforenocorrectiontotheproposedcondi tionwasnecessaryforthiscorrection . Mr.Nelson asked staff about limitingthetypeofconstruction inthiscase .Mr.Bengtson s aid that the applicant couldreducethesizeofthe buildingpadsforeachhouse inorder to increasethesetbackamounts.Mr.Bengtson pointedoutthat anyhomebuiltwould needtomeet a 40 -footsetback ,soadjustingthebuildingpad couldbe apossibility. Mr.Laden notedthatth ehousetothewest had asidey ardsetbackof28 feet ,andasked staffifthereis adifferencebetween meeting side or front yard setbacks.Staffreplied thatu ndercurrent city ordinance,thefullsetback amount isrequired forboth .Staff notedthat t heordinance mayhavebeen differentatthetime thehousenextdoor was constructed . Mr.Bengtsonstatedthatthezoningordinanceallowancetoreducefrontsetbackstothe averagesetbackofadjoiningpropertiesdoesnotapplytothissitebecausethepropertyto thewestdoesnotfrontontoBirch Street.However,ifitdidapply,theaveragesetbackof theadjoiningpropertieswouldbe20.5feet.Thisaverageisfromtheexistingrightof waylines.Iffullrightofwaywasgranted,thehousetotheeastwouldhaveasetbackof closetozero. A pplicant,FranTourville,6948LakeDr,LinoLakes ,saidthathispropertywastheonly landonB irch Street thatha d a10footeasementtakenfromit.Henotedthatthis puts his setback amount anothertenfeet.Mr.Tourville statedthathe wasn’taware ofthesizeof the revised buildingpadsuntilhegottheagenda ,ashehadnotbeenoutofcontactwith hisengineer .Mr.Tourville saidhe feltthatthe buildingpadscouldbereduced even further than currently proposed .Mr.Tourville statedthatthe wetlandwasdelineatedas Class3,andthathecouldgetapermit toremove400sq.ft.whichhecouldapplytolot two . BoardMembersdiscussedpossibleoptionswiththeapplicant. M r.Tourville saidthathe wastoldhecouldget a permit tofill 400s q.ft.withoutany mitigation exchange. CityEngineer Jim Studenskistatedthatthereisanamount thatcanbeimpactedwithout mitigation. Mr.Tourvillestatedthathe could attemptto increase the front setback s for both lots. Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 3 APPROVED MINUTES Mr.Tralle openedthe PublicHearingat 7 :03 p.m. BruceSchmidt ,6498 T otem Tra il ,askedwhattheapplicantwasproposingtodowiththe ditchthatwasbetweentheirproperties. Mr.Tourvillerepliedthathe hadproposedextendingtheculvert80feettothesouthand filling itinsothelotswouldbeeven.Headdedthatifthec ity weretohavea m aintenanceproblemwiththat then itw ouldremainthesame. Mr.NelsonaskedMr.S c hmidt ifhehadconcernsabout theproposalfortheditch.Mr. Schmidt repliedthathe somewhat likestheditchandwasjustwonderingaboutit. Polly G reve ,6469 T omahawk C ourt ,statedthatherpropertyborderstheapplicant’sin the southeast cornerandwasconcernedaboutwetlandfill.Shecommentedthatshe alreadyhasproblemswithwaterinh eryard ,andbecauses heisdownhill fromthe applicantshe isworriedaboutincreased drainage problemstoherproperty.Sheasked whatoptionsshehadifproblemsweretooccur.Mr.Studenski respondedthat 400feet offillwouldhave averyminimalim pact andthatthis amountwouldnotaffectdrainage. Ms.Greveaskedwhatwouldhappenif theproblemd id makeitworse .Mr.Studenski repliedthatthe citywouldlookintotheditchareatodeterminetheproblem. Boardmembersdiscussedthepotentiali ncreaseinuplandareabyfillingin400feet. Staffnotedthattheproposedchangescould alleviatesomeofthesituation ,butthatthey couldnot makecommentorrecommendationon proposalswithout seeing plans. Mr.Ladenaskedifthe proposalc ould be approve d byaddingconditions.Mr.Bengtson statedthatthey could addthechangestothe conditions ofapproval,buttherewouldbe no confirmationthatthesething s recommendationswereadheredtobythecouncil. Mr.Laden askedtheapplicantwhenh eplans onstartingconstruction .Mr.Tourvillesaid thatheis wideopen ,probablynextspring,addingthatheisin nohurry. Mr.Rafferty notedthattheproposal doesnotmeetord inancerequirementsandapproval couldset precedence forthefuture . B oardmembersdeterminedthat because twoboardmemberswereabsentandnotall memberspresentwereinfavoroftheproposal ,itmaybeintheapplicant’sfavortocome backwithrevisedplans. DennisSchwartz ,6471 T omahawk C ourt ,questionedhowt hehou sesw ould fiton to the lot s .Hewonderedhow farbackontheproperty the houses would be.Headdedthath is propertyisasponge andwonderedhowthiswould affecthisproperty.Mr.Tralle replied that accordingtothecityengineerthisproposalshou ldnotaffect his property. Boardmembersaskedtheapplicantifhewouldliketheboardtovoteontheitemor ifhe wouldprefer tocomebacktothenextmeetingwithrevisedplans.Mr.Tourvilleasked Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 4 APPROVED MINUTES staffhowsoonplanswouldneedtobesubmitted.Mr.Bengtsonrepliedthatstaffwould requireplanstobesubmittedbyNovember22 inorderto givestaffadequatetimefor reviewandtowriteastaffreport be for e thenextmeeting.Mr.Tourvillestatedthathe shouldbeabletogetplansinbythatd ate. BoardMembersinformedtheapplicantthattheywouldliketoseee xactpad sizes, locations and measurements calledoutontheplans.Mr.Tourvillesaidthathecould havetheplansred rawnwith theproposed reductions. Mr.Raffertymadea MOTION t oContinuet hePublicHearing totheDecemberPlanning &ZoningBoardMeeting.Motionwassupportedby Mr.Laden .Motioncarried 4 -0. B.PUBLICHEARINGfor aComprehensivePlanAmendmenttochangethe proposedlandusefromPublic/Semi -PublictoLowDens itySeweredResidential forpropertiesownedbytheSt.PaulWaterServices Mr.Bengtsonpresent edthestaffreport ,notingthataComprehensivePlanAmendment wasnecessaryasthe Comp rehensive Plandesignatedsome oftheaffected parcelsasPSP (Public and Semi -Public ). Staff clarified thattheSt .PaulRegional W aterServices wa snotlookingtoselllandto getridof holding s .Adjacentp ropertyowners requested topurchasetheseparcelsofland to combine withtheirproperties. Staffrecommendeda pprovaloftheproposedrequest. Mr.Ladenasked ifa full trail connection wouldstillbepossiblewiththis .Mr.Bengtson respondedthatthechangeofownership wouldnotaffectthecit y’sabilitytoputinatrail. Mr.Tralleopenedthe P ublic H earin gat 7:43p.m. Staffnotedthat a representative fromtheSt.PaulRegionalWaterServices wasnotable toattendthemeeting. HenryFarmer ie,7425PeltierLakeDrive ,askedifthere we re planstobringcitywater andsewertotheproperties.Mr.Beng tson repliedthatchangingthelandusetolow densityseweredresidential doesnotmean the cityhasplansorthecapacitytodoso,but inthefutureitwouldbeintendedforfullservice when possible . Mr.Smyser explainedthat theutilityservicefo rthatareawouldcomefromtheeast , along 20 th Avenue ,asthereis nosewerpipeto bring up P eltier L ake D r.Hesaidit w ould dependondevelopmenttotheeast . Mr.Farmer ie askedif changingthezonewasarequirementbeforethelandowner could buyt heproperty,andnotedthatthepropertyowners wereofferedthesestripsabouta yearago. Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 5 APPROVED MINUTES Mr.Bengtson explainedthatwhilestaffwasreviewingtheprocess,theydiscoveredthat thesesliversoflandwereguidedPSP.Thecityc annotmerge two pieceso flandifone pieceisdesignatedPSP ,sothiswas anunanticipatedproblem. Mr.Farmer ie statedthatcurrentlythestripsoflandbetweenthemandthelakehavebeen offeredonlytotheadjacentpropertyowners,but askedifs omeoneels e couldpossibly c omeandbuy aparcel .Mr.Bengtsonrepliedthat staff recommended a condition that the parcels wouldonlybeavailableforsaletotheadjacentpropertyowner.Theintentofthe S t .PaulReg ional WaterServicesisto sell theparcels to the adjacent prop erties only . Mr.Raffertyaskedforclarificationonthelotcombinationprocedureandif St.Paul RegionalWaterServices willmaintainparcelsnotadjacenttodevelopedland.Staff clarifiedtheprocess andexplainedthattheSt.PaulRegionalWaterSe rviceswould continuetoholdparcelsnotsoldtoadjacentpropertyowners . M i ke M astro ,1553 L amotteDr .,statedthatt hereisa60 -footoutlotnexttohis property whichhasacity -owned drainageditch that needstobeattendedto.Henotedthatthec i ty alsohaspropertyadjacentto the RegionalWater Ser v i c e sproperty.Hestatedthathe c urrentlyhassolerightsof the use oftheadjacentpropertythroughan insurancepolicy andanannual dockagefee.Hewonderedifhe own ed theproperty,wouldthos e obligationsgoaway .Mr.Mastrowasinformedthatthep ropertyownerwillown the parcelsand St.Paul WaterServices willhaveaccessonly.Hewasinformedthatm any oth ercommunitieshavedonethis. Mr.Mastro saidthathe heardtherewouldbeafee throughthisprocess.Mr.Bengtson explainedthatthisis not the laststepin the process.Theproposalwouldgotothe Met ropolitan Council ,anda minorsubdivision wouldneedtobedoneadministrativelyto divide the property.St.PaulWaterService sw ould betheapplicantandw ould haveto establish anescrowaccountforstaffreview.Staff is not aware iftheregionalwater s erviceswillaskpropertyownersformoney.Ultimately,theproperties will needtobe combined withadjoiningparcels . Mr.Mastro statedthathe hasalreadygiventhereg ional waters er v i c e s his application andfees. Gerry L ind n er,7413 P eltier L ake D r .,statedthathed oesnotwantatrailtocome betweenhimandthelake.Mr.Bengtsonstatedthatthisisnotinanyw ayadiscussionof atraillocation ,andthatthecity’s trailplanindicatesatrailinatheoreticallocation.Mr. Lind n er wantedit statedfortherecordthathedoesnotwantatrailacrosshisland.Mr. Lindnersaidthatthe St.PaulRegional Water Services askedhimtopaytosurveyhis landandhe was wonderingifthecity was goingtohelppaythecostsforsurveying.Mr. Bengstonrespondedthatthecity doesnot payforpropertyownerstohavetheir propertiessurveyed.Itwassuggestedthatit maybemore costeffectiveifmultiple propertieswouldbesurveyedatonce. Mr.Farmer ieaskedaboutthefeesassociatedwiththenextstepoftheprocess.Mr. Bengtson explainedthatfeeswouldberequiredanditis upto the applicanttoworkout who paysfor those fees. Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 6 APPROVED MINUTES Mr.Ladenmovedtoclose the P ublic H earingat8:01p .m.MotionwassupportedbyMr. Rafferty.Motioncarried 4 -0 . Mr.Laden madea MOTION to recommendapprovalof the ComprehensivePlan AmendmentfortheSt.PaulWaterServices .MotionwassupportedbyMr.Rafferty . Motioncarried 4 -0. Mr.Trallecalledfora ten -minuterecessat8:03p.m. Mr.Raffertyleftthemeetingat8:03p.m. Mr.Trallereconvenedthemeetingat8:14p.m. C.CSAH49/CountyRdJ Draft MasterPlanApproval toProceedwith the Public ReviewProcess Mr.Smyserpresentedthestaffreport .He announcedthatthedraftmasterplanisready forreviewandisavailableonthecity ’s website .Ano penhouse is scheduled for November15 . Mr.Smyserexplainedsome ofthe pertinentsectionsoftheplan. Mr.Smyserpointedoutthat it is necessarytolook at the surroundingarea and i mportant torecognizeneighboringdevelopmentwhenplanning.Hepointedoutthat the transportationfocusoftheareais the CSAH49 /CountyRdJintersection and s ignaliz ation willrequireadd itionalright -of -way.Hesaidthata ccessmanagementis vitallyimportant andthattheyhaveworkedwiththecountytodeterminewhere access pointswillbelocated. Mr.Smyserpoint ed outgapsi nwaterandseweravailability.Hesaidthecityof Shoreviewhasstated that they willnotacceptadditionalcapacitytotheir sewer pipe. Mr.Smyserexplainedplansforfuturesewerserviceconnections. Mr.Smysercommented thatthe re a lignmentofWar eRoadisanadditionalobjectivethat s taffwilladdtothereport. Mr.Smyserpointedoutthatsignalization at the CSAH 49/CountyRd Jintersectionwill needtobecompleted,but notnecessarilybeforedevelopmentsareapproved.Staff anticipatesthat developerswillprovideforpartialcostof necessary infrastructure. Mr.Smyserstatedthata bigboxuser ,iffeasibleatall,ismoresuitableontheeastside versusthewestside. Mr.Tralle inquired abouttheprevioussubmittalforassistedliving /seniorhousing.Staff statedthattheyhaveaccommodatedforthelocationofanassistedliving/seniorhousing development.Mr.Smy s erstatedthattheproposalthatwassubmitted generated too Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 7 APPROVED MINUTES muchtraffic.Mr.Smyser add edthattheformerapplicantha sbeenincontactwithcity staff,andthatstaffiskeepingtheminformed. Mr.Smysersaidthei ntentistocreateanurbanformforthearea.The citywouldlike cornerstonebuildingsattheintersections ,with parkinglotsbehindthebuildingsorwith increased landscaping.Thecitywouldliketo offerpedestrianorientedfeatures. Mr.Ladenaskediftherewillbewrittenarchitecturalstandardsforthisarea.Mr.Smyser referredtothe8 th bulletpoint onpage34,andaddedthat designguidelines should be incorporatedwith each approval.Heexplainedthatb ecausetherearenumerousprop erty owners,eachdevelopmentcould submittheirowndesignguidelines. Boardmembersinquiredaboutpedestrianflow.Mr.Smyserexplainedthatped estrian opp ortunit ies depend onthestoresinvolvedandthedesignofthewholedevelopment. Mr.Rootappreciate d staff’s effort s toaddress makingtheplan pedestrianfriendly.He a skedhowlimitedwearebythecountynotallowingasignalattheintersectionto the north.Mr.Smyseraddressedthatitwilleliminatesomeusersintheareathatwillwanta signal,butitisnotgoingtohappenintheforeseeablefuture.Headdedthatm any lengthydiscussionsoccurredwiththeAnokaCountyH ighwayDepartment.Mr.Smyser statedthatasignal couldbelikely tenyearsfromnow ,butthe bottomlineisthatitisa countyroadand theAnokaCtyHwyDept determine s thepolicies. Mr.Ladencommentedthatlimitingbusinessatthatlocationmaynotbeabadthing. Mr.Rootstated concern fore conomicdevelopment .Mr.Smysersaidtheythinkthey havefoundabalance. Mr.Rootcommentedon the existingbusinessesandwonderedatwhatpointtheyplan developmentaroundthem.Mr.Smyser repliedth eproposedplandoesal lowforthe RockGardensandtheAutoSaleslottocontinuetoexist.Hesaidthatitism orelikely that thevalueoftheproperties willincreasesoit maybecome advantageoustodo somet hingdifferentwiththeproperties . Mr.Rootaskedhowbigthep i ctur ed “bigbox ”is .Mr.Smyserrepliedabout55,000sq . feet ,givingperspectivethattheLinoLakesSuperTarget is180,000sq .ft. M r.Nelson inquiredifthe 49 C lub willhaveample access to develop.Mr.Smyser respondedthat thisisthemostimminen tsituation ,andthat onedeveloperpotentially controlsalargeamountofproperty northofit.They will havetoplan toaccommodate the proposedaccess. Mr.NelsonaskedwhatwouldhappentoSadder ’sAutomotive .Mr.Smyser saidthey havenotyet de termine d theprocessforfutureroadimprovements ,andthat Sadder ’sisan is suethathastobedealtwith. Planning&ZoningBoard November8,2006 Page 8 APPROVED MINUTES Mr.Nelson wondere difthe17acreswasreadytodevelop,andsignalization wasputin, whatwouldhappenifSadder ’swa sthereandthe right -of -waywas notavailable –could theycondemn .Mr.Smyserrepliedthat isapossibility. Mr.Smysera sked the boardmembersforanycommentstotheplan,and askedfor approvaltomoveaheadunlesstheys aw anyredflags. Mr.Ladenthankedstaffforthewo rkonthis project and added itisgreattoseesuch extensiveplanninginakeylocationinthecity. Mr.Laden madeaM OTION to recommend approv altoproceedwiththePublicReview ProcessfortheCSAH49/CountyRoadJMasterPlan .Motionwassupported byMr. Nelson .Motioncarried 4 -0. Mr.Ladenaskedifthere we readditionalareasofthecitythatw ould beconsidered gatewayssuchasthis.Mr.Smyser saidthatnone areinitiated,but they areconsideringa similarapproachto the LakeDrive/M ain Streetintersection.Headded someofthe quadrantsin the35E areaarepossibilities,but thereare nospecificplans. Mr.Tralle mentionedthathe spokewithagentlemanregardingtheSt.PaulRegional WaterServiceswhospokeveryhighlyofhowstaff conductedthemselvesanddidanin - depthstudyofwhatoccurredandthatheappreciatedstaff’swork. VI.DISCUSSIONITEMS A.ExpiringBoardAppointments Mr.Smyser pointedoutthatthreemembersoftheP&Z B oardareapproachingtheendof theirterm s ,andrem indedtheboardmembersthattheyarerequiredtoreapplyiftheyare interested andthat applicationsareonthe city’s website .Mr.Root,Mr.HydenandMr. Pogalz ’s termswillexpireattheendoftheyear. VII .ADJOURNMENT Mr.Nelson madeaMOTIONto a djournthemeetingat 9 :16 p .m.Motionwas supported by Mr .Laden .Motioncarried 3 -0. Respectfullysubmitted, DawnBugge CommunityDevelopmentAss istant