HomeMy WebLinkAbout06/11/2003 P&Z MinutesAPPROVED MINUTES
CITY OF LINO LAKES
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD MINUTES
I.CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Chair Schaps called the Lino Lakes Planning and Zoning Board meeting to order at 6:36
p.m., June 11, 2003.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chair Schaps requested additions or deletions to this evening’s agenda. Hearing none,
the agenda was approved as submitted.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: May 14, 2003
Mr. Corson made a MOTION to approve the minutes of the May 14, 2003, meeting of
the Lino Lakes Planning and Zoning Board, and was supported by Mr. Rafferty. Motion
carried 5-0-1. Ms. Lane abstained.
IV.OPEN MIKE
Chair Schaps declared Open Mike open at 6:37 p.m.
No one was present for Open Mike.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to close Open Mike at 6:37 p.m., and was supported by Mr.
Rafferty. Motion carried 6-0.
DATE: June 11, 2003
TIME STARTED: 6:30 P.M.
TIME ENDED: 7:14 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Corson, Hyden, Lane, Lyden, Rafferty, Schaps and
Tralle
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Jeff Smyser; Michael Grochala; Tanda Gretz;
James Studenski
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V.ACTION ITEMS
A. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, Bruggeman Properties, SE corner of
Birch Street and Hodgson Road, Prelimin ary Plat, Rezone, CUP and Site Plan
Review – Jeff Smyser
Chair Schaps advised that this application has been withdrawn by the applicant and will
be resubmitted as a new application to include the entire property.
Mr. Tralle made a MOTION to close the public hearing at 6:39 p.m., and was supported
by Mr. Rafferty. Motion carried 6-0.
Mr. Corson inquired if the residents will receive a new notice regarding this public
hearing. Chair Schaps responded in the affirmative.
B. PUBLIC HEARING, Discount Ti re, 633 Apollo Drive, Site Plan Review and
CUP – Mike Grochala
Chair Schaps noted that this public hearing will be continued to July.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to continue the public hearing to July of 2003, and was
supported by Mr. Tralle. Motion carried 6-0.
VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Banners, as they relate to the City Sign Ordinance – Jeff Smyser
Mr. Smyser presented the staff report regarding banners as they relate to the Sign
Ordinance and advised that staff has seen an increase in these signs of late in Lino Lakes.
He presented staff’s analysis along with photocopies of several instances of banners and
other temporary signage currently found in Lino Lakes. Mr. Smyser asked for direction
from the Board on how to address the issue.
Chair Schaps noted it appears in certain cases the ordinance is being violated, probably
unknowingly.
Mr. Rafferty stated this relates to aesthetics and the City should step forward and curtail
it.
Mr. Corson suggested a maximum square footage such as 32 square feet be enforced,
which is the limit enforced in other cities. He commented they need to keep the situation
under control so they do not look like Las Vegas.
Ms. Lane suggested some limits be placed, as banners begin to look tattered if they have
been up for too long.
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Mr. Tralle inquired about the use of flags shown in one of the photographs. Mr. Smyser
replied these are streamers, they fall under the classification of portable signs and are not
typically allowed without a permit, like banners. There are places that get told to take
them down and six months later put them back up.
Mr. Hyden asked if a permit is required each time a sign is put up. Mr. Smyser
responded a permit would be required each time a portable sign is put up. The cost
would be less than $100 for the permit.
Mr. Lyden stated there is a difference as to whether the sign is attached to the building or
not. These restrictions would do what he w ould like, however, he does not want to over-
regulate either. He noted ninety % of the banners will be regulated to liquor stores and
those types of places. He also stated while they are discussing aesthetics, the grass that is
ten feet high in front of the City Hall is an eyesore coming into the City.
Chair Schaps asked if the Council has discussed this. Mr. Smyser responded they have
not discussed it to any degree. Business owners came to a Council worksession stating
that they should be able to have banners when they had been informed to take them
down. The Council directed staff to look into this. He indicated staff will come back to
the Board with a matrix of different options at the next Commission meeting.
The Board directed staff to come back with a fee schedule also.
B. Fabric Accessory Structures, used as Carports – Jeff Smyser
Mr. Smyser advised that a number of residents are constructing temporary fabric
structures, primarily for storage of vehicles. This is a relatively new product that
typically consists of aluminum poles with plastic fabric stretched over the poles. He
presented the staff report and explained that staff is bringing the issue to the Planning &
Zoning Board for discussion to if see sta ff should pursue adding language to the Zoning
Ordinance to address this type of structure.
Chair Schaps stated the very nature of these structures is temporary.
Mr. Tralle suggested the structures not be a llowed in the front yard or visible from the
front street.
Mr. Rafferty stated neighbors do not have an interest in looking at something like this
and it causes rifts in neighborhoods. The people that put these up do not protect the
rights of the individuals that live next to them. This relates to aesthetics and the City
should step forward.
Mr. Lyden commented residents can be fiercely independent, whether it concerns the
wrecked vehicle or the garbage ordinance. This will be a ‘slippery slope’ and he
questions where they will end if they start here. He noted some people may not want to
allow something like trampolines. He agrees with a requirement for the structures to
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meet setbacks and the City has brought this on by allowing houses to be built on such
small lots.
Ms. Lane suggested the structures be restrict ed from visibility from the street, with a
placement restriction in the back yard so side neighbors do not have to view them.
Mr. Corson suggested as a minimum the structures should be well maintained.
Mr. Hyden indicated he agrees in allowing the structures for temporary use. If they are
used for storage the property owner should obtain an accessory structure permit.
Chair Schaps stated this should be recognized as a temporary structure, which can be
allowed with a permit for a time period of several months. It would not be wise to put
these structures up in the winter due to possible damage by snow.
Mr. Smyser explained this issue has not been discussed by the City Council. There has
not been any enforcement action on these structures. When residents have inquired what
is allowed with the structures staff has informed them they must meet setbacks and
accessory square footage requirements on the lot. There is nothing in the ordinance,
however, that states that. Many of the stru ctures have been put up without notifying the
City. He advised if something is done from a regulatory standpoint the zoning ordinance
would need to be amended. He explained when staff first started seeing these structures a
few years ago they questioned if they would be a safety hazard due to the possibility of
them being crushed by snow. Most of the structures, however, are to cover things such
as boats. Staff did not believe there would be safety issues from that standpoint.
Chair Schaps suggested there be an exception to the permit requirement for a situation
such as a party, as the structure would only be needed for a day or two. He directed staff
to bring the suggestions of the Commission to the Council for discussion.
Mr. Tralle commented not all of these structures are cheap. There are some structures
that can house four rv’s at a cost of $6,000.
Chair Schaps inquired if a structure of that size would fall under the accessory structure
ordinance. Mr. Smyser responded it is very common in situations like this for the
manufacturer to say a permit is not required. That, however, is up to the individual
municipality.
Mr. Tralle asked how a large structure like this would fit into a rural zone. Mr. Smyser
responded currently the amount of allowed accessory building space is dependent on the
size of the lot, and the temporary structures could be included in this.
Mr. Tralle questioned if passing an ordinance in relation to these structures would create
another ordinance that is not going to be enforced.
Mr. Lyden asked how many inquiries or complaints staff receives regarding these
structures in a one year period. Mr. Smyser responded in the last 12 months staff has
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been contacted regarding this approximately 12 times, with two or three of these being
complaints. They are not peppered with complaints, but by the time we are, there would
already be a problem. He indicated staff will discuss the suggestions of the Commission
and bring back the possibilities to be considered. They may not even want to deal with it,
but he thinks it is important to have the discussion.
VII.ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Rafferty made a MOTION to adjourn the meeting at 7:14 p.m., and was supported
by Ms. Lane. Motion carried 6-0.
Respectfully submitted,
Carol Hamer, Recording Secretary
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