HomeMy WebLinkAbout04/25/2001 Environmental Board MinutesENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETING APRIL 25, 2001
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBER ABSENT :
CITY OF LINO LAKES
MINUTES
: April 25, 2001
. 6:30 P.M.
: 10:00 P.M.
: Amy Donlin, Constance Grundhofer, Rod Kukonen, Dave
Mach, Theresa O'Connell, and Mike Trehus.
Scott Lanyon
Staff members present: Environmental Coordinator Marty Asleson, Director of Economic
Development Brian Wessel, and City Planner Jeff Smyser.
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Lanyon was not present, so Vice Chair Mach called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
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March 25, 2000 - Trehus moved to postpone approval otthe°,Mareh25, 20'01 meeting
minutes. Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously:
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APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The following items were added to the meeting agenda:
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® Discuss meeting minutes — Trehus.
The agenda was approved as amended albove.
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CITIZEN COMMENTS
No comments were made.
PROJECT REVIEWf,
A. Ryan/Target Superstore/CUP/Site Plan Review/Preliminary Plat/Variance — Wessel
gave a preview�iof the submissions. He noted the timeline was intensive. The second
proposal wasosmaller scale, with the most recent plan on a very intensive timeline given
the specifics, He introduced Dick Ryan the retail contractor and John Payton from the
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design team?for Ryan/Target. Wessel reviewed the most recent plan went to the Planning
and Zoning Board, with a public hearing scheduled for the May 9 Planning and Zoning
meeting.
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Trehus questioned the status of the Environmental Audit Worksheet. Mr. Payton
responded the draft went to the City Consultant for review. He noted the square footage
of the building would be revised and stated the project would be published in a
professional journal in June as a forum for response and comment. Mr. Payton added
there was a 3.62 wet and fill mitigation underway near the golf course. The surveying
areas have been delineated for the expansion of the wetland areas.
Trehus stated that the Board wanted to preserve upland, and he sees the mitigation plan as
a net loss for the City. Mr. Payton responded the site was a part of the Anoka County
Park System so the question was posed to the County for options on wetland mitigation.
Vice Chair Mach inquired if it was common practice to go to the County level. Mr.
Payton answered the wetland impact and mitigation was all under the jurisdiction of the
Rice Creek Watershed District.
Trehus questioned the number of acres in the proposed expansion. Mr. Payton pointed
out the basin was 3.62 acres at the Target site, so they were working with the watershed
district to complete up to 25% of the park. He indicated that 2.5 to,3,,;aCcxs were fairly
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small and there were other potential sites for mitigation. Mr. Payton advised that rock
finds results found arrowheads in the motocross area and shovT'samples confirmed 1977
or 1978 field review reports noting the area for the potentiatsite.
Donlin agreed the findings concluded there was archeologcal'`significance because it was
a travel path for Native Americans through the Chain"hof Laks., Slue inquired about the
consultants who obtained the records from 197,or 1978. Mr.Payton answered they were
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acquired by the document team. "`
Donlin questioned the validity of the findings b'dcause of their bias implied by the firms'
funding. Mr. Payton explained the consultants were a reputable and well known
company that would not falsify information
Donlin asked for confirmation ithaeRyanTwould be up front with the City on the results of
the study. Mr. Payton assured the Board that it would be honest with the findings.
Trehus inquired aboutithewater volumes of the basins. Mr. Payton noted the red areas of
the map werefthehinfltration:�areas. He noted that John Powell suggested depressing the
Southwest and Noxtlwest areas, because the numbers would remain the same. The
Southeast had been removed in the newest plan.
Trehus quqstione45 e size of the site, and the movement of the water as to where it was
going and the volumes. Mr. Payton responded the site was a little less than 48 acres. The
storage volume for the wet component was 13.5 acre feet. The requirement is 5.5 acres.
Any two inch rainfall events would be able to go out of a two inch diameter tube.
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Donlin expressed concern over a 500 year event, and wanted to know where the water
would go in those instances. She noted there had been three such events in 10 days in
1992. Mr. Payton indicated a 100 year event of 5.9 inches would discharge over a 48
hour period. Emergency overflow would move toward Highway 35W, the flow direction
would not change.
Trehus indicated the water would eventually flow into George. Watch Lake, and in an
event over two inches would move too quickly. Mr. Payton explained he did not have the
numbers for the water volume. The total capacity of the pond was 9.9 acre ft. of storage,
however, all surfaces receive water. He explained the flow will either go over the land or
underground.
Trehus urged a reviewal of the Environmental Assessment Worksheet by the Board
before the City Council approved the project. Asleson noted the proposal was to be
submitted after the present meeting and it would receive approval before the next
meeting.
Wessel stated final approval was to come in July.
O'Connell inquired about the treatment of oils and gases in the Water. Mr aPayton
explained that because petroleum products float, there would be a'skimming feature.
The Board discussed lighting and signage. Kukoneninquired whether' Target would be
willing to use a non -backlit logo. Mr. Payton answered the sign,slould be visible to the
East and West where there were mainly businesses. i. Y'
Vice Chair Mach asked if all the stores liadgs niilar lighting and signage. Mr. Payton
responded the store plans accommodate the requirements of the planning and zoning in
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The issue of parking spaces ty,�as discussed iff relation to the ordinances and the
requirements of the stores. 'G {undki`ofer1noted the City requirements were exceeded by
103 spaces.
Mr. Payton addressed the<green space in relation to parking. He explained that questions
remain as to where the' green"space is distributed. If within the parking lot, they could
create visual barriers''causing accidents. If it were a block on the side, it would create an
unbroken pavement:;:;
Trehus urged Target/Ryan to reduce the number of spaces and explore green parking,
because ofthe potential degradation of George Watch Lake. Mr. Payton answered
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impervious or green parking was difficult to maintain with shopping carts, and dirt mud
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ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETING APRIL 25, 2001
Trehus stated some of the area could be green, because there were no carts from Kohl's,
and in the winter shoveled snow needed to be piled somewhere.
Asleson indicated staffwould review the Environmental Assessment Worksheet followed
by the Environmental Quality Board.
Trehus asked who comprised the Environmental Quality Board. Smyser stated the
Governor appointed representatives of the DNR, MPCA, as well as others. They set rules
for how the worksheets are completed. The developers fill out the Environmental
Assessment Worksheet, the City reviews it, the Environmental Quality Board does not
review it but files it and copies it for 27 other agencies, as well as publishes it for
comments for 30 days. He explained that the City owns the document.
Asleson inquired about the grading of the parking lot and the method of getting the water
into the ponds. Mr. Payton responded slipform paving was the method that would be
used, where the back curb would be removed to allow flow into the catch basin behind
the store.
Asleson noted the tree and plant species lists were included in the packet He explained
phosphorus loading was a water quality issue, not limited to aesthetics, but
bioremediation was also important There would be a yearlPfee, which would be used to
reduce phosphorus in the system. Mr. Asleson explainpOiat he cos or bioremediation
with the monthly fee would be less than the cost of tri6wing.;:;9'''
It was discussed that because motor oil would Ile sold;a:t was also necessary to provide on
site recycling to the public. 4 cris
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B. Spirit Hills Update — Asleson stated fie PlannM$ and Zoning Board had
townhomes, so they have been removed. Staff* no new recommendati
Trehus noted his concerns were the*etland.Duffering, the lake protection
fact that the property has high'etivirdittippeal value.
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The Board discussed the letter fror4;ihe DNR and chose to forward those comments.
C. Highland MeadowsWest 3r1 Addition — Mr. Cooper stated that the submitted plan was
being withdrawnlinekto a needed plan modification. The wetland delineation showed
wetland where there was none noted previously, and the area thought to be wetland was
found to 48ilbel,,,,He indicated there were six existing homes on the plat, the newly found
wetland would affect 4-5 lots, and a new access road would be necessary. The Wetland
Conservation Act would no longer be applicable to the site.
Asleson noted a tree inventory submitted needed the species and the impact on each tree.
The trees would be lost because of the walkouts but if the houses had full basements,
most of the Historic Oak Savanna trees could be saved.
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Mr. Cooper indicated 75-80% of the trees would be saved. Asleson stated most of the
trees would be lost. He disagreed with the number of trees saved until the tree inventory
was completed.
Grundhofer submitted that people were attracted to homes with trees on the lot. Donlin
concurred and discussed the vision was created to save the trees.
Asleson identified there were young oak woodlands throughout the site. If only the oldest
trees were to be saved, pine beetle issues and issues with the Fire Department would
probably result.
Mr. Cooper noted that to the consumer, graded elevation was desirable with walkouts and
trees. Most were split entry with drainage, so it would be above a 100 year flood and
have an emergency overflow.
Trehus asked how much of the site was wetland. Mr. Cooper answered there was .78
acres in the middle, and .25 acre in the corner.
Vice Chair Mach stated significant trees did not mean old trees `:.diversity of ages was
needed.
Donlin explained that the plan appeared to be a cookie cuttevapproach and the Board
wanted to encourage conservation planning. ,Mr. Schmidt responded there were six
houses on 28 acres, and the development He ' there was
no tree preservation ordinance.
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Asleson indicated there was no ordinance, butthere was a policy. Mr. Schmidt responded
his goal to keep as many trees as possible was acceptable to the City, and to the potential
residents. He agreed with the age;diversrty concept and explained he wanted to work
with people. Bluebill Ponds mus graded, but did not want to match it because he will
lose trees. Mr. Schmidt noted that'rnany species could be relocated.
A discussion of the concept of conservation subdivision was discussed, with various
members holding differing'definitions of the concept. Asleson recommended the Board
begin with whatithe site couldsupport and go from there.
Mr. Schmidt suggested µthe City make an ordinance. He predicted trouble with developers
if 50% oftl ''..land wasYto be saved and cited the housing shortage. He believed the large
areas needed.to be preserved, not the small areas. Donlin pointed out that both could
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occur if the .development was reconfigured.
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Mr. Schmidt stated the fire department did not want narrower streets and the City
Planners did not want smaller lots. Smyser confirmed the statement.
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Mr. Schmidt urged the members of the Board to visit his past sites in St. Michael and in
Brooklyn Park. He noted the St. Michael site was the most successful development
except for one other with houses priced $150,000 and higher. The Brooklyn Park site
moved 450 Spruce and Norway pine, and planted hardwoods and wildflower gardens.
D. Pinnacle Towers, 870 Birch Street/Rezone/Amend Conditional Use Permit/Amend
Zoning Ordinance - Asleson reviewed the background and reported there had been
concerns over towers covering the landscape. The request was to increase the height of
the tower from 510 to 530 feet. Key West Microwave Telephone could also use the
tower. Staff recommended to approve the plan.
Donlin asked if there would be any additional guide wires.
Trehus recommended a City-wide planto address the need for communications towers.
Asleson responded Smyser was working on that.
Trehus moved that until such a time where a City-wide plan for communication towers is
developed, there should be no further tower construction. Grundhofer seconded the
motion. Motion passed unanimously.
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E. Heritage Development/Saddle Club/Preliminary Plat -_,Mlesori-ihdicatdd the
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greenway option did not apply to the park.
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Kukonen mentioned the MUSA might be approaching the deEixiline'in reference to the
Comprehensive Plan. t ‘e'
Asleson noted a trail was being planned,andlhe entire Southern portion was greenway.
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O'Connell stated it appeared the entire site was lowland. Asleson presented a map
depicting red areas that were high=uplag§,A
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Grundhofer indicated the same'•itern4if the legend was used for trees to be saved and trees
to be removed. •61,5,1,-7.- Lq.,,,
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Asleson agreed therinap needed to be redone. He noted the number of lots had not
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changed, however, there was a park linking to the greenway system
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connecting BircliTork with Birchway. He suggested the trail could also be linked.
Donlin ifiquffetwhat1mount was not in the MUSA. Kukonen explained the southern
part ofethetpairC P.,
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Asleson indicated it was a good way to have the greenway with a trail.
Kukonen expressed concern due to the dual MUSA status, and suggested if there was a
proposed trade, it would set a bad precedent for MUSA.
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Trehus inquired about the conservation easements in light of the large lots encroaching on
the wetlands. He asked if the Planning and Zoning Board was going to see this plan.
Asleson answered the greenway with the trail was the change in the plan, at one time the
area was biodiverse.
Trehus questioned the location and type of the path, and whether it was going to be on the
ecotone. Asleson responded there was a way to put a paved path through the center of the
ecosystem, and not the edges to minimize the environmental impact.
Vice Chair Mach submitted that if the trails went through nice areas it could raise
environmental consciousness.
Grundhofer indicated the tree legend needed to be clear, and asked staff for his
recommendations. Asleson answered no changes, and advised that because of time
constraints, the Board would probably not be asked to comment again.
The Board discussed the population growth and traffic concerns. If ahold on new MUSA
would be recommended, the greenway would probably be lost
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Trehus mentioned reducing the size of the lots to preserve space, Asleson
responded that Planning and Zoning Board objected tositand so he negotiated the
greenway.
O'Connell recommended approval but with strong reservations about the number of
homes being built in one year in light of 147`homes+as an annual total. In addition, the
number of trees saved versus lost needed.to:,be. clarified on the plat map.
Grundhofer moved to recommend approval with' he reservations. O'Connell seconded
the motion. Motion passed 5 to 1 ( 'rel us
F. 64th and 20th/Variance Request,- Mr ,Valentine introduced himself as the project leader
and Tom Carlson as the new; owner:,. Mr. Valentine had known the original owner for 10
years.
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Trehus notedthe.nee
ative site for a septic tank.
Mr. Valentine stated was a 2.82 acre triangular site, where he tried to stay out of the
wetlandsndpeery
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Grundhof i indicated her concern for the mound septic tank, where any pollutants would
go directly irito the wetland.
Asleson recommended Mr. Valentine work with the Vadnais Heights Watershed District.
Mr. Valentine reported speaking with them and noted the delineation report indicated
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reed canarygrass and a sledge called carrats, with a dual classification of non -emergent
submerged most of the season. Asleson pointed out that the site was in the lake
protection zone with hydric soil. The requirement was a 30 foot buffer around the
wetland. He stated the application was the setback from the road variance.
Vice Chair Mach concurred that a variance was acceptable if the property would be
improved for the natural habitat.
Donlin stated that with one unit the road becomes less of an issue, however, how would
the property impact the phosphorus levels in the runoff. Mr. Carlson indicated there were
no plans for a lawn on the property.
Mr. Valentine pointed out the house could be moved back with a longer driveway, but
then it would be encroaching on the wetland.
Trehus noted there was a misalignment in the white triangle, and the wetland ended at the
lot line.
Smyser indicated Planning and Zoning could make a recommendation to'the City
Council, but it is contingent on the watershed approval.
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Donlin stated the watershed district might not deal with yseptictank iss}es in relation to
Lake Amelia. `" °:: rt
Mr. Valentine mentioned there was no tested alternative site for'the septic system, but he
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could obtain a statement from the septicanalyst'.'r 6 ,.
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Smyser stated the mound system was a ove ground, so rainfall and groundwater did not
affect it. 4t.
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Trehus suggested the City notpprbye the project with relevant questions pending.
O'Connell indicated after the waterslddistrict comments, there would be more answers.
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Smyser noted the request was for a yariance, the Board had questions about the septic
system location,, bu,'tno specifics were stated.
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There was°ctrscusiondof the issue of the upland requirement. Recommendations were
concerns P+ r,d a `impact of the septic system on the wetlands, and the location within the
lake protection area.
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G. 2088 80th St. /Variance Request — John Cartier was requesting an outbuilding variance
for a pole barn. It was noted that four years ago he built his home on the site and is now
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planning an organic vegetable garden since his grandfather had one in that location. The
property had been family owned since 1840s, and there were no plans to move.
Donlin suggested there could be problems if neighbors thought it was not aesthetic. Mr.
Cartier indicated there were no close neighbors, the closest were extended family
members.
Kukonen moved to pass the variance request along with no recommendations. Donlin
seconded the motion. Motion passed unanimously.
Trehus moved to take a 5 minute break. O'Connell seconded the motion. Motion passed
unanimously.
The meeting was reconvened at 9:05 p.m.
ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD BUSINESS
A. Draft Comprehensive Plan Review — Asleson asked for final thoughts on the
Comprehensive Plan.
Trehus expressed concern that the growth zone was larger;tl%an
compared to the 1997 land use.
Grundhofer addressed need for more accurate and readable ma
Kukonen indicated a concern over the yellow areas of expansion outside the MUSA.
Ms. Sand had forwarded information to staff ad uessing lighting pollution.
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B. Environmental Board Goals ,This ite'm^was tabled to the May 30, 2001 meeting.
PROGRAM / PROJECT UPDATES
A. Grant Updates — This,item.was tabled to the May 30, 2001 meeting.
B. Minnesota DNR/Wildland Interface — This item was tabled to the May 30, 2001
meeting.
C. Solid Wase tecycling Updates — This item was tabled to the May 30, 2001 meeting.
OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Discussion of the March 28, 2001 Minutes — This item was tabled to the May 30, 2001
meeting.
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CLOSE MEETING AND CONFIRM NEXT MEETING DATE
It was noted that the next meeting of the Environmental Board will be on May 30, 2001.
There being no further business, Trehus moved to adjourn at 10:00 p.m. Grundhofer seconded
the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Transcribed by:
Brigette Blesi
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
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City of Lino Lakes
Environmental Board Meeting
Lino Lakes City Hall
April 25, 2001
6:30 PM
Agenda
1. Call To Order/Pass Sign -In Sheet 6:30 PM
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Approval of Agenda
4. Citizen Comments
5. Project Review
A. Ryan/Target/Target Super Store/CUP/Site Plan Review/Preliminary
Plat/Variance ( 6:35-7:05 )/ Brian Wessel
B. Spirit Hills Update (7:05-7:10)
C. Highland Meadows West 3rd Addition (7:10-7:30)
D. Pinnacle Towers, 870 Birch Street/Rezone/Amend Conditional Use
Permit/Amend Zoning Ordinance (7:30 — 7:35)
E. Heritage Development/Saddle Club/Preliminary Plat (7:35-7:45)
F. 64`h and 2Oth/Variance Request (7:45-7:55)
G. 2088 80`h St./Variance Request (7:55-8:00)
6. Environmental Board Business
A. Draft Comprehensive Plan Review (8:00-8:30)
B. Environmental Board Goals 2001 (8:30-8:40)
C. Other
7. Program/Project Updates (8:40-8:45)
A. Grant Updates
B. Minnesota DNR/Wildland Interface
C. Solid Waste/Recycling Updates
8. Close Meeting and Confirm Next Meeting Date