HomeMy WebLinkAbout04/24/2002 Environmental Board MinutesENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETING APRIL 24, 2002
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
STAFF PRESENT
CITY OF LINO LAKES
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: April 24, 2002
. 6:37 P.M.
. 9:30 P.M.
: Amy Donlin, Constance Grundhofer, Rod Kukonen,
Teresa O'Connell, Mary Jo O'Dea and Nikki
Schneider
: Patrice Halen
: Environmental Coordinator Marty Asleson,
Community Development Director Michael Grochala
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Kukonen called the meeting to order a
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. March 27, 2002
Page 4, eighth paragraph: "Kukonen suggested more open area, where 50% or
more should be preserved as open space not including wetland mitigation. He
proposed an additional 17 acres should remain undeveloped, and encouraged
clustering."
rundhofer inquired about when Met Council was
ocatlon
O'Connell moved to approve,..- the March 27, 2002 meeting minutes. O'Dea
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA'
• Greenway Grant Land Classification with Chris Ward to be discussed under
Other Discussion Items.
• Living Green Expo to be discussed under 7D.
• Acceptance of Prairie Burns discussed under 6E.
• Livable, Ecological Housing that is affordable discussed under 6F.
The agenda was approved unanimously.
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4. OPEN MIKE
No citizen comments were made.
5. ACTION ITEMS
A. Village Hills Preliminary Plat
Asleson reviewed the background material. The project proposal was a 3.75 -Acre
commercial development located east of Hodgson Road on Birch Street. The
developer was proposing to build three commercial buildings on the site. A tree
preservation plan was submitted because there were some trees off site. The
f.,
developer had been denied an exemption of an incidental, wetland, and had not
received a permit with the RCWD. The wetland -lad been degraded and is
considered very low quality, caused by ditching and mowing. The discussion
centered on slowing the drainage by adding_ ditchblocks or swales RCWD had
deteumined that staff would resolve remaining inconsistencies wwith the developer.
A lighting plan had been submitted. The extensive use.,of Netlawn was planned
and an organic wetland, as well as depressions in the parking lot areas, and
filtration design in the swale areas. Manyxatives were proposed in the landscape
plan such as blue flag iris.
Donkin inquired about the proposed` sidewalk location. Asleson showed the
location of the sidewalk on the map.
Chair Kukonen questioned the;winter viability of the Netlawn, and the timeline
issues involving the 907d-ayrriocli2.ASle.son responded to the Netlawn was being
marketed by the,developer, and the`s0cwplow would need to be pulled up in the
area, but otherwise it did well in the winter. Asleson continued that there was a
200 -foot buffer. in the surface water design. The area off site behind the houses
was in a fake protection zone and a high ecological value zone.
Donlin stated she needed clarification for the future Ware Road extension.
Asleson answered that-Ahe,road was the entrance to Spirit Hills 1st Addition and
would connect to Hodgson Road.
Donlin pointed out it appeared that the Attachment 2 Erosion Control Plan used
the same key for all the items. Asleson indicated that it was difficult to read.
Donlin inquired about the lighting, asking for confiimation that it was low impact
and no spill. Asleson answered yes, but that the Board should still make the
recommendation.
Grundhofer noted that the plan called for 40 lights on site, and considering the
number of lumens it would be equivalent to 900 light bulbs. She asked how high
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the poles were going to be. Chair Kukonen stated that the standard was 15 -foot
poles.
Donlin mentioned that she could not clearly identify the locations of the lights,
and that she was dissatisfied with the lighting plan. She also inquired whether on
meant on at all times, or something else. Asleson indicated that she and the Board
should make a statement of their concerns.
O'Dea stated that there would have to be enough light for parents to drop off and
pick up their children in the dark.
Donlin suggested that the track record of the developer might show that excessive
light was a concern.
Chair Kukonen stated that the number of parking spaces; was near the City
minimum.
Donlin submitted she was not pleased with the architectural design elements of
the corner building, because it looked like.a.gas station., Planning and Zoning
should look at this.
Grundhofer inquired about the possibility of the plan coming back to the Board.
Asleson stated it probably would not
Donlin asked who the ow -net anddeveloper were:
O'Connell inquired about the desi
ofthe building fitting into the neighborhood.
Grundhofer questioned if the neighborhood and design would be acceptable for a
gas station. She also expressed concern about runoff in the parking lot. Asleson
responded that filtration capabilities were built into Netlawn and were 2.5 times
the cost of the standard, it maybe worth it if there was a big enough difference.
Donlin indicated she appreciated the use of natives. The day care site however
would be near a natural environment lake and an important watershed area.
Asleson stated that the Board could show concern over the gas station at that
location.
Chair Kukonen submitted that perhaps vegetative buffering could minimize the
impact of a possible spill.
Donlin inquired about the City's requirement of effective buffering and its
application in the northern edge. Asleson stated there were no other plans other
than on the Landscape Plan, because a sidewalk will be there.
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Asleson noted the use of hackberries along the Northern edge. Donlin responded
that they were not thick enough to block the view and suggested berming.
Asleson explained that hackberries take 3-4 years to become established.
Schneider liked the hackberries because they were good for wildlife, and were a
good long-term choice.
Grundhofer noted that they were planning to use maples on site.
Grundhofer mentioned landscaping fennel reed grass, but she could not find any
information on it. Asleson indicated he did not think it would be a problem, but
would check.
Chair Kukonen reviewed the recommendations
e'Board that included:
• Work with the RCWD and City staff on the Stormwater Management Plan.
• Lighting should have no spillage, be downward focused,' and the reduction of
the number of fixtures.
Work with City staff to create buffering on the perimeter.
• Replace maple with some other appropriate species .-
• Reduce impervious parking spaces to a„mimmum, and maximize the use of
Netlawn pervious parking.
• Concern over the gas station, and the possibility of a spill into the area defined
as a lake protection zone and'having high ecological value.
Schneider made amotion to pass onstaff recommendations along with the Board
recommendation Don1in seconded the,motion. Motion passed unanimously.
Schneider stated there nee ded:to:be a number in the recommendation to ensure
compliance with the spirit of therecommendation, and not to leave it at the
obscure term reduce.
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B. Raske Building Systems, Inc.
Asleson reviewed the background. The Board had reviewed the plan at the
October 1, 2001, meeting, so the recommendations made at that time still apply.
The only item left to review was the landscaping plan. His only concern was the
small cedars on the site, they were going to be removed, but he would like to see
then used elsewhere on the site. He highlighted the standard recommendations,
and the Board recommendations on Attachment 1 Options.
Donlin expressed concern over the surface water, inquiring if the owners of the
two lots were going to work together. Asleson indicated that the wetland was a
pond.
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Chair Kukonen stated that the pond was very large.
Donlin explained that the concern was for the nearby trees, and the possibility that
the pond will increase in the swale to the trees, and they would be lost. Chair
Kukonen suggested a replacement schedule if the trees were lost.
Donlin indicated that in the October 1, 2002, recommendations, the 5th bullet
asked for a replacement schedule to the expanded wetland.
Chair Kukonen commented on reducing the number of parking spaces to the
lowest number possible. He asked if anything changed. Asleson stated he would
look into it.
Schneider inquired who was going to ensure "at the recommendations were
implemented. Asleson stated that staff was responsible.il Money is held until the
plan was completed satisfactorily.
Donlin made a motion to pass staff recommendations and the replacement tree
schedule from the Board. Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
6. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Goals
Schneider commented on the:issue of lighting. Donlin added that there was a
group called the Dark Slay Society, and,urged the City to work in that area until it
becomes a non -issue.
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Chair Kukonen recalled that Schneider made the suggestion to prioritize the goals.
He also indicated members should list their goals to be discussed later.
E. Acceptance of Prairie Burns
Donlin expressed concern about the prescribed burns not accepted by all the
officials. She received a permit, and made calls an hour before the burn to ensure
that there was no fear or false alarm. Apparently there were many 911 calls.
O'Dea inquired about the possibility of signage to warn people.
Donlin stated that the Fire Departments from White Bear Township and
Centennial came to her house, while the permit was through Centennial.
Grundhofer indicated she also had a permit for burning through Centennial Fire
Department for the same day. She was also confronted by the firefighters, and she
stated she had a permit. Evidently no note was written at the station to warn the
firefighters on duty of the two prescribed burn permits.
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Donlin expressed concern for her septic tank, because it was driven over by the
fire truck. She added there was a need for better coordination on the permit
process.
Chair Kukonen mentioned that prescribed burns might be a good topic for public
education in the City Newsletter. Schneider added the issue could also be
featured on the website.
D. Greenway Grant Land Classification with Chris Ward
Mr. Ward reviewed the history of the project. 1.5-2 years ago the City received a
grant to do the land classification. Recently theY,Iiav9reqpived another grant.
Once the Landcover was completed, the balatinet-Of-the project would need to be
finished by June 30, 2002. The applications!Oail.,19toiheCityinclude
Landcover inventory, G.I.S. analysis, and\Oolititing.i'pulilicontreaok He
introduced Rich Biske who would also be presenting.
Mr. Biske presented a slide show to illustrate the possibilities with the Metro
Greenways Program. He indicated the challenge was to,find significant
communities and develop management plans based on the systems. He showed an
example of presettlement vegetation. and tfie-ireinaljning natural communities. The
difference was dramatic. Mr. Ward stated that the Chain of Lakes was an aquatic
corridor, but terrestrial corridors -were agn-inipiii-fant for many species.
Mr. Biske noted that the mapping Tresources provided the groundwork to identify
greenway links, development areas, priority areas and probable encroachment
issues.
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Mr. Ward indicated that they were working with other municipalities to
coordinateefforts. -. One issue on the corridors is people often conceptualize them
as very narrow, if_theyare.tbo narrow, animals would not be able to use them.
Mr. Biske identified the greenway corridors and hubs. He indicated the linking of
those greenways across municipalities was a challenge. Mr. Ward explained that
the green areas were open to interpretation.
Mr. Biske pointed out that there was a need to establish options for restoration or
easement. The goal was to move development to presently disturbed sites. They
could also provide technical assistance to enhance and restore land. People
needed to come together to protect a corridor. He asked the Board if there was a
citizen forum that they could address.
Donlin appreciated their efforts, because many greenways were located in
developed areas. She noted a recent series called green growth that received a lot
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of interest and several letters to the editor. Mr. Biske concurred and added that
native grasses needed more exposure.
Mr. Ward stated that they needed the most effective means to connect with
residents and to satisfy the grant requirements as well.
Grundhofer pointed out at the Earth Day celebration, children came to the booths
to receive stamps, while the adults were not involved or asked questions. She
suggested that perhaps fliers could be put in newspaper boxes of the targeted
areas. Mr. Ward responded that another option was at the community -wide level.
In Blaine, they found the concept scared people because they thought the
government wanted to take their land. The groundwork needed to be laid slowly.
Asleson reviewed the history of the process. for the Board. First there was the
2020 vision, followed by the establishment of the Environmental Plan. The City
participated in the Wildlife Urban Interface; but now is the step of implementation
of the Metro Greenways. The City Plan had antiquated planned _greenways, but
could be updated. In addition, he was encouraged; with the implementation of
restoration programs and work on agricultural land
Mr. Ward discussed an example of their involvement in Burns Township, where
the program failed at first, but then it; passed Oil'a second attempt.
Donlin indicated that the Citylhad'ma.de connections with Centerville on the
Peltier Lake Heron Colony issue :which could lay the groundwork for the two
cities to collaborate on this project
Grundhofer stated that ,Councilperson, Carlson could give the name of the
councilmeinber interested in preservation from Centerville. Councilperson
Carlson responded it was Councilperson Capra.
Asleson explaineeneed to create incentives for the stakeholders.
Councilperson Carlson indicated that the City of Centerville had asked for a
meeting with the City of Lino Lakes.
Schneider asked for clarification, if they wanted help with education. Grundhofer
inquired whom they wanted to have for a first contact.
Mr. Ward stated that if there was enough interest, it could be a discussion of what
is a Greenway, which could be geared to the landowner. Asleson responded that
the elected officials could be brought together.
Mr. Ward indicated that the beginning of June would be a good time.
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Schneider suggested that the topic for discussion should draw people, and urged
the use of a word other than Greenways.
Asleson suggested the public hearing forum as a possibility. He inquired about
the need for more funding.
Mr. Ward discussed the need to clarify that the City was not interested in taking
someone's land, but land acquisition through purchasing chunks in a proposed
greenway was a possibility, as well as several other options.
Asleson proposed an example that the City required a preliminary plat. The
question then becomes can the same number of units be fit into the site in light of
the identified wetlands. Mr. Ward agreed that the commitment required a plan,
but the tools were better now than ten yearsa
Chair Kukonen stated that the City had deternuned the arnount-of land required
for a septic system that determined the size 'of the lots. 'Y
Mr. Ward indicated that concentrated communities could result leaving larger
open space, if perpetual conservation easements were put into effect.
The Board discussed possibilities for public education: Donlin suggested that the
general public probably would..not come, unless a specific corridor was identified.
Mr. Ward stated that new maps would need to becreated from the layers already
prepared, because the one available lacked' the -detail necessary. He was planning
direct mailings in the fall.
Asleson asked if they could prepare a statement for the City Newsletter that would
be going to the publisher, andtsomething for the television station.
O'Dea suggested: that if the topic to be discussed was greenway corridors, a better
teiun might be Wildlife Corridor Connections.
A discussion ensued concerning the logistics of a meeting with elected officials
and possibly representatives from the City of Centerville, before the deadline of
June 30, 2002, but leaving enough time to finish the Landcover Classification.
B. Peltier Island Update
Asleson stated that a joint powers' agreement had passed, and was now in the 30 -
day waiting period.
Donlin stated that the birds were back. Before the big snowstorm, there were 16
pairs, but they have left. The DNR did a fly over and counted 70 egrets. She
indicated there were misconceptions. There was no ordinance, so the only
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compliance was peer pressure. She added that there was a nesting eagle sighted,
and there appeared to be harmony among the various species, not competition.
Asleson noted that the Bell Museum was interviewing several people for an article
in the Bell Museum newsletter.
Donlin mentioned that she was going to participate in a DNR sponsored crane
count in Carlos Avery tomorrow. Asleson suggested that they should count in the
City, because he had seen several pairs.
Grundhofer indicated that she had visited the nature center in Detroit Lakes.
C. Recycling Day
Recycling Day was planned for Saturday, Al
at the Old City Hall on Main Street.
til 27, 2002, at 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
Donlin stated she had picked up the ditches, but the. bags had not been taken away.
Asleson answered that he would take care of it.
D. Other (Greenway Grant Land Classification with Chris Ward)
This item was discussed earlierin. the
E. Acceptance of Prairie urns
This item was: diseussed'carlie
nl
e meeting.
F. Liable, Ecological Housing that is affordable
This item will be tabled to the meeting tomorrow.
7. DEPARTMENT REPORTS
A. Forestry
Trade -A -Tree plantings under the wires will take place at Lino Lakes Elementary
around 1:00 or 2:00 p.m.. No trees could be planted on county right-of-way.
B. Solid Waste Recycling
This item was discussed under 6C Recycling Day.
C. Environmental
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Councilperson Carlson noted a report handed to Council at the April 17, 2002,
work session relating to the reduction of Phosphorus in Hardwood Creek that
flows into Peltier Lake.
D. Living Green Expo
Chair Kukonen mentioned that this was going to be held on Saturday at the
Armory. Topics included organic gardening, housing alternatives, water quality,
and others. The website was www.livinggreenexpo.org. The phone numbers
were (612) 331-1099 and (651) 296-7242.
8. ADJOURN
It was noted that the next meeting of the Environmental Board would be on May
29., 2002.
There being no further business, Grundhofer moved to adjournat9:30 p.m.
Donlin seconded the motion. Motion passed unax imously.
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City of Lino Lakes
Environmental Board Meeting
April 24, 2002
6:30 p.m.
AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 27, 2002
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
4. OPEN MIKE
5. ACTION ITEMS
A. Village Hills Preliminary Plat
B. Raske Building Systems Inc.
6. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Goals
B. Peltier Island Update
C. Recycling Day
D. Other
7. DEPARTMENT REPORTS
A. Forestry
B. Solid Waste Recycling
C. Environmental
8. ADJOURN