HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/28/2003 Environmental Board MinutesENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETINGMAY 28, 2003
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CITY OF LINO LAKES
APPROVED MINUTES
DATE: May 28, 2003
TIME STARTED: 6:38 P.M.
TIME ENDED: 9:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Amy Donlin, Constance Grundhofer, Patrice
Toler Halen, Rod Kukonen, Teresa O’Connell,
and Mary Jo O’Dea
MEMBERS ABSENT: Nikki Schneider
STAFF PRESENT: Environmental Coordinator Marty Asleson
and Community Development Director Michael
Grochala
1.CALL TO ORDER
Chair Kukonen called the meeting to order at 6:38 p.m.
2.APPROVAL OF MINUTES
April 30, 2003
O’Dea moved to approve the April 30, 2003 meeting minutes. Grundhofer
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
3.APPROVAL OF AGENDA
• Move Solid Waste Recycling/Recycling Direction to be included in 7B.
• Discuss Target Stormwater Update in 7C.
• Discuss area North of Lino Lakes Elementary in 7C.
• Discuss Interstate 35 Corridor Update 7C.
4.OPEN MIKE
No citizen comments were made.
5.ACTION ITEMS
None.
6.DISCUSSION ITEMS
A.Surface Water Management Plan/Jim Jacques
Asleson introduced Jim Jacques and noted that he was present to answer
questions from the Board.
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Mr. Jacques stated there was a lot of State support for the Plan because of
the power of the Watershed Districts, that act like an umbrella that spans
across cities that share common watersheds. Asleson added that the
document was being updated to current laws, with Mr. Jacques of TKDA
as the lead person for the City to give direction for the future.
Mr. Jacques indicated the original Plan was a good resource in two
volumes, but it lacked in follow through. The updated document deferred
to other government bodies. The Executive Summary discussed policies
for the City. The main factor was funding, so there was a renewed attempt
to identify the fund allocations. He passed around to the Board members a
chart that the City was in the process of completing. He noted that the
City had spent a considerable amount in several areas, but it needed to be
pulled together.
Donlin stated the developers should be responsible to contribute. Mr.
Jacques responded there was a development fee and stormwater utilities,
which are payments relating to the amount of impervious that is already
established to obtain funds from businesses.
Donlin questioned if the City billed the business. Mr. Jacques answered
the Plan divided the responsibility. The amounts depended on the
contribution of water as a function of the impervious, that also could be
borrowed against.
Asleson indicated the City was responsible to make sure the systems
worked, but the business was responsible for the maintenance of the
system. He stated that specific goals and targets were defined.
Chair Kukonen inquired about the required timeline. Mr. Jacques
answered that the City was about two years behind. He explained the
Metropolitan Council looked at the required plans whenever a City wanted
to address them. The Plan would then be reviewed by all parties.
Donlin inquired about staffs’ knowledge of the required update. Mr.
Jacques responded staff was aware of the revision. He indicated there was
an option for the City to take over Rice Creek Watershed District’s
jurisdiction. It would be a delegated authority. Hugo had been the only
city to choose the option. Rice Creek Watershed District has indicated if a
city chose the option, the city would be responsible for both the
stormwater and wetland management programs.
Grundhofer asked if the Plan would have to be accepted by the City. Mr.
Jacques answered the Plan had to be accepted by Council, then it would
go into review.
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Donlin inquired if the Stormwater Plan included shoreland management
practices. Mr. Jacques answered the City had a Shoreland Ordinance that
covered those issues.
Asleson noted the City’s Shoreland Ordinance was more restrictive than
the State requirements.
Mr. Jacques stated the document put all the water resource issues in one
place. An annual report was required to Minnesota Pollution Control
Agency.
Donlin expressed concern that the City would be responsible for
administering the Plan, and suggested an outside entity should review the
document. Mr. Jacques indicated that Mr. Grochala had been signing off
on the items, and Metropolitan Council would make the City responsible.
He noted many plans sit on the shelf.
Asleson added that Mr. Jacques expertise would remain throughout the
Plan. He stated the Board had made changes, in addition, there were some
bureaucratic factors that were impossible to implement in the Plan. Mr.
Jacques and staff discussed an example of Marshan Lake being classified
as a TMDL where there were three factors based on swimability.
Furthermore, George Watch Lake had low clarity, Centerville Lake had
lake quality that would not change drastically because the water came
from rain directly into the lake. Another issue was that the lake was
connected to the groundwater.
O’Dea inquired if the City could be fined each year. Mr. Jacques stated
there was that potential.
O’Connell asked for clarification of the reason for Centerville Lake to
support swimming. Mr. Jacques answered there could be support for the
usability, even though the quality would not change. He asked for
feedback.
Mr. Jacques referred to the example of Lake Vadnais. The Saint Paul
Water Quality had attempted to inhibit turnover, by precipitating out
phosphorus in the tributaries and improved the lake.
Donlin inquired about the danger of alum. Mr. Jacques responded he was
unsure if it was harmful, but it tended to lose effectiveness. The capital
improvement was the first thing to be implemented. He asked for the
Board’s comments on the stated goals and policies. He noted there was
flexibility in the Plan because the policies were a road map, and its
implementation would be reviewed every five years.
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Donlin expressed concern about road salt in a big development and its
effect on invertebrates in wetlands. Mr. Jacques answered that MNDOT
was looking at the effects of road salt. There was salt naturally occurring
in peat, so background levels were necessary as well. Salt is abundant,
cheap and effective, while the other options were more expensive and had
other negative impacts.
Chair Kukonen noted that there were three lakes the City was requesting
to be removed from the TMDL program. Mr. Jacques responded that the
lakes would still be covered by the Plan.
Asleson added the swimability requirements for the Plan on the lakes
could not be measured. Donlin stated the criteria should be changed.
Mr. Jacques indicated there were two phases in the program, The
diagnostic phase and the control phase. The EPA hired contractors for
this purpose. The data gathered would qualify the lake for the program,
followed by the implementation plan. He noted the EPA began in sewage
treatment, then grew into handling superfund sites, and along the way
standards had been developed for chemicals in lakes and streams.
O’Dea stated that on page 94 in the document it should read monitoring
should be Anoka County instead of Hennepin County. Mr. Jacques
indicated that all comments were considered valuable.
O’Dea inquired about 20 years being a requirement upfront. Mr. Jacques
referred to section 5.218, Maintenance and Inspection, and asked who was
responsible.
O’Dea gave the example of needing access for maintenance. Grochala
responded the ponds with many users were public responsibility, while for
ponds with one user, the owner had the responsibility. The City could do
the maintenance and charge it to the owner.
Halen inquired about how a resident could respond. Grochala stated they
could call the City, and gave an example of drainage issues.
Mr. Jacques indicated the Plan gave the map, but not the details of
implementation. Grochala added the City was addressing fixed
agreements and reviews or inspections. Much was being done toward this
goal, but they were not tracked or documented in the past.
Asleson stated that Public Education was a big part. Some created ponds
were merely collectors for runoff. Mr. Jacques indicated there needed for
feedback in the process. The process was now more formalized, so the
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City would receive credit for the things it was already doing. He gave the
example of cutting maintenance funds.
Chair Kukonen noted maintenance funds was the biggest concern in terms
of capital. Grochala responded most were being done. In 1993-1994 the
Surface Water Management Fee was established to pay for maintenance.
Public Works was now tracking street sweeping as stormwater
maintenance instead of general fund. There was the question if the City
was doing it equitably with the eventual slowdown of growth. There arose
a need for the sewer system to be mapped on GIS, which had been
completed.
O’Dea inquired about the possibility of pooling resources or assets with
other cities. Mr. Jacques answered the goals were attainable, because the
Watershed Districts were the umbrella organization to link the cities.
Donlin questioned if Hugo managing their own stormwater and wetland
programs would pose problems. Mr. Jacques responded that Hugo would
have to conform to Rice Creek Watershed District and legislative acts.
Grochala stated at times there were conflicts with the Watershed District.
In many areas, there were more restrictive requirements at the City level.
Chair Kukonen inquired about enforcing buffers. Grochala answered the
Shoreland Ordinance had buffers and setbacks. It was possible there was
now a need for a stormwater ordinance.
Mr. Jacques stated there was a copy of the action items for erosion
control. Grochala added the rest was a resource document.
Chair Kukonen clarified that comments were wanted and should be put on
the agenda for the next meeting, in addition to implementation to Phase II
permitting authority. Mr. Jacques admitted there was some overlap, but
he tried to pull it all together in one document.
Chair Kukonen inquired about the lakes on the list in the program, but not
implemented. Mr. Jacques stated it was an expanded list, but would be
used to enforce the worst of the worst. It would be used as a diagnostic
and repair item.
Chair Kukonen questioned the reason for not more lakes delisted. Mr.
Jacques answered there had to be a reason. Clearwater Creek and
Hardwood Creek were not challenged, but the City had little influence on
them because Lino Lakes was at the bottom of the stream. The City had
only a small influence on Bald Eagle Lake. Peltier was the only lake left
unchallenged on the list.
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B.Solid Waste Recycling/Recycling Direction
This item was discussed in 7B.
C.Review of 2003 Goals/ Rod Kukonen
Chair Kukonen stated the Board had four ongoing goals and four specific
goals, two of which had not been addressed. He identified that attention
should be given to research ways to obtain dedication fees.
Asleson stated under the section Open Space and Natural Resources, the
1992 open space and trails was evaluated. Donlin responded that it would
be out of reach soon financially speaking.
Chair Kukonen inquired about the possibility of providing a rack of
resource information for people. It would serve as a good starting point
for the public education goal.
Asleson stated a public speaker or a resident from the City could give a
presentation on how to establish a wetland. Chair Kukonen answered he
spoke with someone at the Living Green Expo about the native look, but
he would want a service fee.
Grundhofer suggested a good location for a rack for resources or even a
three ring binder could be between the fire extinguisher and the front
reception desk.
7.OTHER DEPARTMENT REPORTS
A.Forestry
Asleson stated the plantings were in.
Donlin inquired the meaning of the trees with the yellow ribbons near the
Target site. Asleson responded those trees were being saved.
Grundhofer inquired about the removal of the dead trees on the Target
site. Asleson answered they were going to be replaced. The vegetation
fought erosion from rain. Money was being withheld by the City and the
Watershed District due to the excess of the emergency overflow.
O’Connell suggested that one company should take care of Target and
Kohl’s maintenance.
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Donlin stated the vegetation pictures in the original plan looked so
different. Grundhofer mentioned that the company should be fined.
Either a business maintained its site, or the City should, and charge the
business.
Asleson stated the project was not finished, and money was escrowed. If
they did not follow through with the agreement, they would not receive
their money.
Donlin mentioned it defaulted in the agreement in less than five years.
B.Solid Waste Recycling/Recycling Day
Asleson expected a 100% cut in SCORE dollars, but there was only a 10%
cut. He indicated it was difficult to make the volume goals with only one
recycling day, but with the lower cost for help it could be worthwhile. Oil
recycling cost the City $300-500 per week, in addition the oil filters
needed to be recycled.
O’Connell suggested having a combined Recycling Day with Centerville.
Asleson indicated it would be difficult to separate the tonnages.
Grundhofer inquired if there would be a Recycling Day in the fall. Chair
Kukonen suggested keeping the one in the fall this year, but only have a
Recycling Day in the spring next year.
Asleson stated the fall Recycling Day went well this last year, and the City
probably cleared more money because of a change in vendors.
The Board had a brief discussion of tire recycling.
Donlin made a motion to keep the Fall Recycling Day this year, but for the
next calendar year, to hold only one in the Spring. Grundhofer seconded
the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
O’Connell suggested the honor system for collecting a nominal amount to
defray recycling costs of oil and oil filters. Grundhofer mentioned there
could be a slot for the money going into the building.
C.Environmental/Heron Issues
Asleson stated that there were 300 heron and 8 egrets nesting, but a tree
climber was going to verify there were eggs in the nests.
Grundhofer sent an E-Mail to Joan Galli that there were 20-30 Great
Egrets on the south end of Goose Lake.
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Donlin suggested they might be exhibiting strange behavior, eating instead
of nesting.
Asleson stated they should set up another task force meeting.
Asleson addressed the area north of Lino Lakes Elementary, where the fen
had been identified; the culvert was removed and the water levels had
risen. He needed to make controls to drop the water level to the fen’s
optimum level.
Chair Kukonen inquired about the destination of the water. Asleson
answered Behm’s and Bluebill Ponds via the stream.
Chair Kukonen requested to see the map of the sewer system in the City
on GIS.
Grundhofer expressed concern that Peltier was classified by the DNR as a
natural environment lake, not a recreational lake. She also indicated there
was no description of a Natural Resource Lake. The setbacks and buffers
were larger in the Natural Resource Lake.
Asleson stated he believed Peltier was classified as a game fish lake by the
DNR.
Donlin explained there was a meeting with the Quad Cities concerning the
Interstate 35 Corridor. The area from County Road J to the Interstate 35W
Intersection had been experiencing considerable growth recently, and road
updates were discussed. She had asked why residents were not informed
and asked to participate in the discussions. She noted that the City had
contributed $7,000 for a feasibility study in relation to the Sports Complex
area.
Asleson mentioned the purpose of the meeting was to identify the issues.
Donlin indicated there were four citizens present, all from Lino Lakes.
She believed it was important for residents to be a part early on in the
process, at the brainstorming level.
O’Connell noted an article addressed the issue in the most recent Quad
newspaper, along with the Eaglebrook Church issue.
Donlin stated that there is talk that the Vikings Team might move.
Councilmember Carlson indicated a schedule was set for the next meeting.
The next action would be a joint powers’ agreement. She identified
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concerns the Board had expressed in the meeting such as concerns for
following the Comprehensive Plan, Growth Policy, Rural Character, and
Environmental Protection.
Donlin questioned if the other Boards were represented, why was the
Environmental Board left out of the process. Councilmember Carlson
directed her to the Planning Department.
Asleson stated he would ask the Planning Department the reason for the
omission.
Councilmember Carlson indicated she voted for the study that would look
at the four different sites.
O’Dea mentioned there was a Whooping Crane seen at Carlos Avery.
Asleson explained it was from Wisconsin.
8.ADJOURN
It was noted that the next meeting of the Environmental Board will be on June 25,
2003.
There being no further business, O’Dea moved to adjourn at 9:30 p.m. O’Connell
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Transcribed by:
Brigette Blesi
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