HomeMy WebLinkAbout07/09/2003 Environmental Board MinutesENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETINGJULY 9, 2003
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CITY OF LINO LAKES
SPECIAL MEETING
APPROVED MINUTES
DATE: July 9, 2003
TIME STARTED: 6:12 P.M.
TIME ENDED: 8:22 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Constance Grundhofer, Rod Kukonen, Teresa
O’Connell, and Mary Jo O’Dea
MEMBERS ABSENT: Amy Donlin, Patrice Toler Halen, and Nikki
Schneider
STAFF PRESENT:Environmental Coordinator Marty Asleson and
Community Development Director Michael
Grochala
1.CALL TO ORDER
Chair Kukonen called the meeting to order at 6:12 p.m.
2.APPROVAL OF AGENDA
3.OPEN MIKE
No citizen comments were made.
4.ACTION ITEMS
A. Lakes Business Park EAW Review
Grochala summarized the purpose of the meeting. It was to review the EAW’s of
two projects, the Lakes Business Park and that of the Legacy at Woods Edge or
the Village projects. He indicated the locations of the projects and the fact that
they had reached the mandatory requirement for a third class city of 300,000
square feet. The outlots were conceptual, while a commitment had been made by
Panettoni for 260,000 square feet. He introduced Bob Moberg, Project Manager
and Chris Hiniker who prepared the EAW document both from SEH.
Mr. Moberg indicated there was one buyer, but the other portions were still in the
concept stage and were denoted as outlots. There were existing wetlands on and
near the site, that they did not want to negatively impact. They were in
compliance with parking and Light Industrial ordinances. He reminded the Board
that the landowner was not obligated to follow through with the City’s guidelines
as a result of the EAW reviewal, but they did not want to have another EAW
later. The next step would be to begin the Preliminary Plat process. The goal of
the reviewal was to establish a baseline to measure progress on the project.
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Grochala stated that by the end of July a preliminary plat would be submitted.
Mr. Moberg continued that Panettoni would like to break ground in October.
A 50-foot easement was called for on the creek or the official name Anoka
County ditch #10. There was a swale or ditch leading to the creek that would
disappear and be rerouted around the building on the Northeast side.
Grundhofer inquired about the distance from the creek to the building. Mr.
Moberg responded the closest was 75 feet, in addition all the vegetation would be
preserved around the creek. A southbound right turn lane would need to be
added.
Grundhofer questioned if two lanes would be provided for people going home
onto Lake Drive. Mr. Moberg answered that there was no definite answer, but
there would be no problems with it. The issue would be dealt with in the
Planning and Zoning Board. He did not believe traffic would be impacted with
the first site. All the proposals thus far had been in accordance with the zoning
laws and no conditional use were required. Some consultant work had been for
Phase I showing nothing significant beyond building materials. An archeological
consultant has information requested and pending. He admitted that it was still a
work in progress.
Mr. Hiniker reiterated that the groundbreaking was scheduled to take place in
October, but that it had to meet the deadlines. If the EAW was favorable, it
would go to Council, then to the publisher by July 21, 2003. The 30-day review
process would follow, with the Council deciding if more studies would be
required in October.
O’Dea inquired the direction of the flow of the creek. Mr. Moberg responded it
was west to east and on to Marshan Lake.
Chair Kukonen questioned if there were plans for buffering for noise and light
pollution.
Asleson referred to the Environmental Assessment information and language and
noted that the conditions were not present for any rare species except possibly
some tuber orchids.
Mr. Moberg stated the entire site was a Lake Protection Zone, so surface water
diversion was a concern. Asleson added the surface water on site would go to
treatment ponds.
Chair Kukonen inquired if the water would end up in Marshan Lake. Mr. Moberg
referred to Figure 4 Landcover Map shown in dark blue, that with the rerouting, it
could go into two ponds before the creek and ultimately into Marshan Lake.
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Chair Kukonen stated his concern was to not add additional water to Marshan
Lake. Asleson responded that Marshan was classified a TMDL and that they did
not want additional loading into the lake.
O’Connell indicated the third paragraph appeared to give conflicting information.
It begins by stating that the runoff would increase, followed by the creek would
not increase. She suggested adding a “but” in between the sentences to clarify.
Mr. Moberg referred to page 13, second sentence should be clarified to read, “To
address the increased rate and volume the developer will incorporate storm water
controls.”
Chair Kukonen inquired about the developer’s willingness to address the issues
properly. Mr. Moberg responded they would have to satisfy the requirements in
the permitting process.
Asleson indicated that the Board could ask for a Phosphorus Analysis.
O’Dea indicated on page 11, #12, the new storm sewer with discharge into the
county ditch, but that was not what he stated before. Mr. Moberg answered he
would reword that section, so it would state discharging internally.
O’Dea referred to page 9, #10, inquiring if wooded forests were actually going to
increase from 1.5 to 2.3. Mr. Moberg responded that the amount of land had not
increased.
Chair Kukonen pointed out that there was no explanation for the changes in
landcover totals, but commented that the amount of impervious proposed for the
outlots appeared good.
Grundhofer inquired about the land’s classification if the ditch was removed. Mr.
Moberg answered that it was upland, and merely an overflow for the ditch.
Asleson added that the ditch was put in to increase the farmland.
Grundhofer asked for clarification if it was a site of an original creek. Mr.
Moberg stated that since MNDOT put in Interstate 35W there had not been any
change.
O’Dea inquired if the reports from the archeological consultant and DNR
response would be available by July 14, 2003 when Council had its meeting. Mr.
Moberg answered the archeological would not be available, but that he was
unsure about the DNR.
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Asleson mentioned he requested Mr. Huvseth to fax some comments over even if
the report would not be ready. Mr. Moberg added that by publication, it would be
included because it was a part of the process.
Chair Kukonen referred to page 13 under Water Quality #17, last paragraph the
phrase following the development of proposed site. He inquired how could it be
determined if Marshan Lake was exceeding daily loads. Mr. Moberg answered
that it could be analyzed predevelopment, but “wait and see” if Rice Creek or the
DNR would request them to do analysis. They would then have to respond.
Chair Kukonen inquired if it would have to be completed during the 30-day
period. Mr. Moberg responded that all comments needed to be adequately
addressed, then the City had unlimited time to respond.
Mr. Hiniker stated the response would be “we agree,” “we disagree,” or “we
agree but address these items before permits are issued.” Asleson added that
because the City was the LGU it could request further studies. He mentioned that
Marshan Lake was a filtration wetland and not a recreational lake.
Mr. Moberg indicated the goal was water quality protection, and the two aspects
of protecting all the water, or a major one downstream. His focus was to look at
the whole chain.
Mr. Hiniker clarified the 30-day comment and EIS requirement. There was five
days for the City to respond after the 30-day review period had expired, but could
be extended. This was to protect the developer legally.
Asleson stated the environmental threshold would never be exceeded, because it
was physically impossible to get a reading on them. The phosphorus had been
exceeded for 1,000 years and the deepest secchi disk readings ranged from 1.5-2
feet.
O’Dea inquired if a subsequent assessment had been done in reference to page 18,
#25. Mr. Moberg indicated that they were waiting for feedback from a
preliminary assessment.
Chair Kukonen asked for comments on page 19, #26 referring to improve
landscaping. Mr. Hiniker answered that it was subjective, but visually
determined. He requested assistance with the wording.
Asleson suggested it could state “the site will go to light industrial vision.” Mr.
Moberg indicated that if the preferred vision was latent farmland, any cultivated
landscaping would be not an improvement.
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Asleson mentioned that anything that would draw the eye away from the prison
would be an improvement. People have the idea that Lino Lakes is where bad
people go.
Mr. Hiniker assured the Board the site would be developed in accordance with the
City. Mr. Moberg did not envision a large building, but agreed it was a highly
subjective question but required a response.
Asleson stated that it would tie in visually with the schools, and would draw the
eye to them.
Chair Kukonen noted he saw the site as an affected resident would.
Grundhofer indicated on page 9, #11, the last paragraph, “The park contains some
of the most significant native wildlife habitat in the metropolitan area.” She
questioned if it meant that piece of land, or the area. She mentioned that she had
seen swans there. Mr. Moberg answered he wanted to acknowledge the proximity
to Rice Creek Regional Park, but the site had no significant wildlife areas.
O’Connell mentioned that it might help with the number of deer accidents on the
freeway.
Grundhofer inquired about the dewatering of the sewer system location in
reference to page 12, second paragraph. Mr. Moberg stated he was unsure, they
were expecting some, but if more than a certain level a permit was required.
Grundhofer questioned if the area would be dewatered forever. Mr. Moberg
responded that groundwater movement happened over long periods of time, and
dewatering moved a lot of water in sand. Part of the process was soil borings and
to establish the groundwater elevations for building foundations. It would need to
be discharged on site.
Chair Kukonen called for a motion.
O’Dea made a motion to pass on questions and comments to Council. O’Connell
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Moberg directed Mr. Hiniker to add the MLCCS map to the EAW. Chair
Kukonen agreed it would be valuable.
O’Dea requested the adjustment of the lime green line. Mr. Moberg added that
the inventory should be shown.
B.Legacy at Woods Edge (Village) EAW Review
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Grochala indicated that it was an updated version of the commercial and
residential plans of 1998 in the areas of traffic and square footage, and also
finalizing the concepts, so a new EAW was requested. Council was planning to
authorizing distribution on Monday for public comment.
Mr. Moberg indicated that he wanted to get it out to the Board.
O’Dea asked for confirmation that the drawing would replace the one in the
packet. Mr. Moberg responded that it would. They were trying to encourage the
developer to finalize the plans. He indicated that building 18 was going to be a
motel or office, but now was going to be commercial. The residential had
changed. Some of the commercial would have a second story and residential
above the two commercial levels. Traffic was one of the most significant issues.
The Board discussed how the project would affect the Lake Drive and Interstate
35W corridor. O’Connell inquired about a bridge across the freeway. Mr.
Moberg indicated a pedestrian corridor on the bridge was planned.
Mr. Hiniker summarized the proposal included 94,000 square feet and 22
additional residential units.
Mr. Moberg stated there was much more with stormwater management on the site
than the other site. He admitted it would be a give and take what would be
accomplished.
O’Dea inquired if the Board would see the proposal again, she noted that all the
numbers were wrong on the usage questions.
Chair Kukonen questioned if it would go to Council next week. Mr. Moberg
confirmed that it would not.
Grundhofer inquired if the sandblasting would be removed. Asleson responded
that it would be removed.
Mr. Moberg stated that the only things that would remain would be the bank, the
clinic and City Hall.
O’Dea noted the verbiage suggested the sandblasting company would continue to
be there after the development.
Mr. Moberg indicated the YMCA would be there, and they would like a trail
connection.
Grundhofer inquired if there were trees on the site. Asleson responded that the
YMCA took a large portion of the woodland.
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Mr. Moberg stated that more was being preserved with the new plans, but
admitted the YMCA had a lot of impact on the woodland conversion. He was
unsure of the parameters of the City.
Asleson suggested a parking ramp for the YMCA.
Chair Kukonen referred to p.8, #10 and inquired if cultural vegetation was a
category. He was asking for confirmation that it was usually lawn/landscaping.
Mr. Hiniker stated that he could use those words.
Asleson inquired if the Cultural Vegetation category included the clinic and City
Hall. Mr. Hiniker stated he would separate out the brush and grassland from the
cultural vegetation.
O’Dea questioned if a traffic study had been done in the EAW. Mr. Moberg
responded it was in process.
O’Dea referred to page 21, #22 where the traffic volumes were forecasted. She
inquired how the numbers were arrived at if there was no study. Mr. Hiniker
responded that if the numbers did not apply, they would be changed.
Asleson inquired about the amphitheater on the other side by the YMCA. Mr.
Moberg answered he did not know.
Chair Kukonen referred to page 21, #21 and inquired if there would be reasonable
estimates. Mr. Moberg assured the Board it was forthcoming.
Mr. Hiniker agreed there were many issues. He indicated the Target site was set
up to accommodate a change in traffic flow. The update on the bridge would
require $10 million.
Mr. Moberg stated the bridge was not a high priority for MNDOT. If the
proposal went forth, MNDOT would probably reevaluate its position.
O’Dea inquired on page 21, #21, who would conduct the “further evaluation.”
Mr. Moberg answered it would be answered by the decision of City Hall. It
would have to take into consideration its proximity to Marshan Lake and Rice
Creek Park.
Grundhofer referred to Figure 6, and inquired if there was more than a 50-foot
buffer around the wetland. Mr. Moberg answered there were more pondings.
Asleson stated there were remnant tamaracks present. Mr. Moberg stated the City
Shoreland Ordinance would apply to the situation.
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Chair Kukonen noted if the two story buildings in the South fell under the
Shoreland Ordinance, the maximum building height was 36 feet. Mr. Moberg
responded that it would depend on if it was determined at peak, or halfway up. It
could provide for three stories. He suggested that the first story might not be at
ground level.
Asleson pointed out that the path extending from City Hall should be going more
North.
Chair Kukonen inquired if the rate volume showed a more significant increase,
could the City obtain more information. Mr. Moberg assured the Board that
traffic and stormwater issues were most significant.
Grundhofer questioned if the above ground storage tanks would stay. Mr.
Moberg responded that they would be removed.
Chair Kukonen inquired if the contents were required to be listed. Asleson stated
that even if they were not used, that they had to be listed.
Chair Kukonen referred to page 22, #23, and expressed concern over natural gas
space heaters. Mr. Hiniker answered that it was a provision for gas fireplaces.
O’Dea questioned on page 23, third paragraph, if there was any plan to place
receptors at the present time to aid in determining impact. Mr. Moberg responded
if MPCA required receptors, it would need to be addressed. On occasion,
MNDOT had been involved in noise impact studies also.
O’Dea suggested that a study of the shoreland, residential, and freeway noise
might be helpful in pre- and post-development.
Asleson inquired if noise pollution was additive or logorhythmic. Mr. Hiniker
responded that a doubling of traffic noise was considered significant, but that it
amounted to only 3 decibels.
Mr. Moberg added that it also depended on the receptor locations.
O’Dea stated that one of the concerns on a previous EAW was the impact for
residents and wildlife. Mr. Moberg agreed because of proposed use. The DNR
stated an eagle’s nest was present at Wargo.
O’Connell reminded the Board that construction was believed to impact the
herons. Asleson responded that 500-meter radius was the buffer required during
the nesting season. The chicks were fledglings now, although the birds had
abandoned in previous years.
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O’Connell indicated the freeway was not that close. Asleson answered that there
were other factors involved.
Chair Kukonen referred to page 23, “nearby resources,” for scenic views and
vistas it should state yes, because of the prairie restoration project.
O’Connell mentioned the buildings would be seen from the lake. Grundhofer
added also from the freeway.
Mr. Moberg clarified that it referred to the views from the site. Asleson stated
there were recreational users on the lake.
Mr. Moberg stated the Shoreland Ordinance should govern screening from the
lake. Mr. Hiniker answered that the lake users would be impacted.
Asleson indicated that Target could be seen from George Watch Lake.
O’Dea questioned if the Shoreland Ordinance would need to be referenced in
page 24, #27.
Mr. Moberg inquired of the Board their thoughts on the blend, even though it was
so subjective he admitted. Chair Kukonen answered it was very political, because
of the requirements of Metropolitan Council.
O’Dea stated she would like to see a parking ramp. Mr. Moberg answered that
the residential would have underground parking.
Grochala added that the townhomes were upland.
O’Dea referred to the pond in 21, and inquired if a playground would be available
in the Central Park. Mr. Moberg admitted there were conflicting interests, and it
had to be financially successful.
Grochala stated the mixed use was vertical, with some preservation possible in
the northeast.
O’Dea expressed the concern that the area be made pedestrian friendly.
Chair Kukonen stated that the initial desire was to make it look like downtown
White Bear Lake, but it appeared the plan would not resemble it. Grochala
assured the Board that there would be architectural diversity.
Mr. Moberg stated the only big box would be the YMCA.
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Asleson inquired if there would be a fountain, because it was a gathering place.
Grochala answered that they were attempting to get a fountain area, and admitted
the rippling sound would deaden the highway noise.
5.ADJOURN
It was noted that the next meeting of the Environmental Board will be on July 30,
2003.
There being no further business, O’Connell moved to adjourn at 8:22 p.m. O’Dea
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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