HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/29/2003 Environmental Board Minutes_ ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETING
OCTOBER 29, 2003
CITY OF LINO LAKES
APPROVED MINUTES
DATE October 29, 2003
TIME STARTED 6:33 P.M.
TIME ENDED 9:52 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT Amy Donlin, Constance Grundhofer, Rod
Kukonen, Mary Jo O'Dea, and Teresa
O'Connell
MEMBERS ABSENT : Patrice Toler Halen
STAFF PRESENT : Environmental Coordinator Marty Asleson
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Kukonen called the meeting to order at 6:33 p.m.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
September 10, 2003
Page 4, sixth paragraph: "Grochala noted the NURP ponds would also filter the
water."-
Page 8, tenth paragraph: "At present, the site could use improvement."
O'Dea made a motion to approve the September 10, 2003 meeting minutes as
amended. Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Board approved the agenda.
4. OPEN MIKE
Barbara Bor, 7707 20th Avenue North, thanked the Environmental Board and
staff for speaking with the recent Russian delegates..
Donlin indicated there were 12 people from Siberia who came to learn about local
government.
Ms. Bor addressed the Church proposal, appealing to the Board to keep in mind
issues of land use, the Comprehensive Plan, and the desires of the residents. The
members of the group HERON believes the neighborhood would be impacted by
the megachurch. They support the mission of Eagle Brook Church. In light of the
heron rookery, the group believed a timeline for soil movement, construction, and
the parking lot in terms of the spring runoff should be a priority. She also
requested an answer to the question did the plan fit into the Phosphorus budget. A
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handout was distributed. She urged the Board to speak with the other Boards and
Council concerning the plan in terms of soil compaction, the rookery, and the
impact on the lake.
Jeff Klemmer of the Eagle Brook Environmental Stewardship Committee stated
that the committee was formed several months ago and met with Rice Creek
Watershed District, Peltier Lake Association, HERON, Department of Natural
Resources, Anoka Parks and Recreation, and neighborhood members. A handout
was distributed that outlined the church's attempt to alleviate the negative impacts
of the development.
5. ACTION ITEMS
A. Eagle Brook Church, 7709 20th Avenue N., Site Plan Review and
Conditional Use Permit.
Asleson reviewed the background and the agency comments from the
Environmental Assessment Worksheet. He opened the topic up for discussion.
Grundhofer stated the concern for the heron rookery should be extended into the
long-term, not merely during construction.
Chair Kukonen indicated there should be a coordination of observers to monitor
the birds. Asleson added the issue needed to be addressed before April 1, 2004.
O'Connell expressed concern that the sound level would be higher than
acceptable for humans after construction during changeover times. Walter
Eschenaur referred to the EAW noting up to 10 decibels after 2010 during peak
periods on Sunday.
Grundhofer indicated noise outside from services as well as traffic could disturb
the birds.
David Scheer, Eagle Brook Environmental Stewardship Committee, addressed the
conservation easement, indicating the church was in the process of developing a
management plan for the southeast region with plantings for nesting materials for
the heron habitat amounting to 17 acres. They plan to educate the congregation
on the issues. At present, the non-native plants would be replaced with native
plantings that would be water tolerant. The intent was to maintain the natural
setting. Barb Bauman, another committee member, stated that it was hoped the
wet prairie restoration would increase diversity. She had spoken with Jeff Perry
for information.
Grundhofer stated the noise level would extend through March. She noted that
the new herons of the year would not be able to move until August.
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Mr. Scheer assured the Board the committee would continue indefinitely,
addressing any issues that might arise. The church had a proactive history in the
neighborhood. At the present site; the White Bear Township City Manager was
impressed with how Eagle Brook responded to the concerns of neighbors.
Chair Kukonen inquired if the easement would have at least a 500-foot buffer
from the island. Mr. Scheer responded that 14.5 acres would be included in the
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easement. He referred to a map that indicated that there was about a 600 -foot
buffet.
Chair Kukonen questioned if there were plans for a trail. He also inquired if there
would be one in the easement. Ms. Bauman responded there was an existing trail
on site, and it would be maintained. There were no further plans for any other
trails.
O'Dea inquired about the difference between Conservation Area and
Conservation Easement. Mr. Scheer answered the Conservation Area was located
adjacent to the Conservation Easement on the West, and would be used as an
observation area.
O'Dea questioned where was the church in the process of the Conservation
Easement. Ms. Bauman assured the Board that the Conservation Easement would
occur.
Chair Kukonen asked for clarification there would be seating for 2 100 and
potentially 2800 people. Katherine Leonidas, church architect, indicated the
additional seating would be obtained within the existing building, but would
require additional 7,000 square feet for nursery space and additional services.
Donlin admitted that it was clear the church committee had good intentions, but
the church still wanted a megachurch on the site. The church body might not
necessarily see things as the committee did. She added that the current church
campus used to be a good birding site. She found it difficult to believe that the
monitoring would continue. The parking was an additional concern with the salt
and runoff potentially flowing through the watershed. The herons return in mid
March, when the construction was planned to begin with projected decibel levels
up to 10. She expressed grave concerns over the mound septic system. The
Phosphorus budget improvement was projected at a 16-19% improvement, falling
short of the 30-58% preferred goal. She stated the size was not in harmony with
the neighborhood, the city would receive no tax benefit from the development,
and there would be considerable noise.
Asleson asked -the church representatives to address the Phosphorus loading. He
wanted them to explore other areas where one could decrease the phosphorus. He
suggested one way could be to use the woodlands to further filter the water.
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Donlin inquired about the runoff from the parking lot. Asleson responded that
they were planning to use swales, ponds and rain gardens before the water flowed
into the ditch. He urged them to consider other additional options.
Donlin stated that a conservation easement takes the land out of development
forever. She noted the high water level was not addressed on the maps. She
asked for clarification if the Rice Creek Watershed District would oversee the
easement. Ms. Bauman confirmed the Rice Creek Watershed District was the
regulating unit, and would do their own monitoring.
Mr. Scheer indicated the conservation easement was legally binding.
Donlin recommended delineating the high water level on the map showing the
buildable land.
Chair Kukonen addressed the City minimum parking spaces would be about 930
stalls. Ms. Leonidas answered the numbers were derived from the congregation
and support staff such as nursery help. She added that pervious parking usually
provided fewer spaces, because of the lack of markings.
Grundhofer inquired about a school on the premises. Ms. Leonidas answered that
it was a nursery for the kindergarten age during the services. There were no plans
for a school.
Grundhofer questioned the numbers 60,000 square feet and 88,000 square feet for
the building. Ms. Leonidas responded the numbers were from the EAW, but the
figure at present was closer to 84,000 square feet.
Grundhofer questioned the reason for grading and drainage for merely a 3/4 inch
rainfall event. Mr. Eschenaur explained the ponds were designed addressing three
criteria. First, 1/3 inch needed to be completely infiltrated. Second, a 2-1/2 inch
event would need to be completely treated. Third, the 100 year event is calculated
at 6 inches would be discharged at a certain rate.
Donlin inquired about a design for a 6 inch rainfall. Mr. Eschenaur answered that
the discharge would not be completely treated from 2-1/2 inches and larger
rainfall event. The rate would be controlled, so it would not be a deluge. He
indicated this was a typical practice.
Asleson added that skimmers would also be required.
Ms. Bor stated they met with RCWD and were told that the ponding was
considered good. Ditch 72 flowed directly into the lake. She was told that the
City had to require pond maintenance, because the RCWD could not require
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regulation. Protection of the fragile wetland and rookery had to be stated in
writing. She pointed out that there was no stated pond maintenance plan in the
EAW. Asleson noted that RCWD wished to comprehensively plan the upstream
drainage that has a vast system of established pipes draining water.
O'Dea inquired about any other options for the pipe. Asleson suggested an open
grassy swale.
Chair Kukonen summarized the recommendations from the Board.
® Decrease the parking stalls to the City minimum.
• Design a management plan for the ponding areas.
• Work with staff on soil compaction issues.
• Make a legal commitment to the conservation easement.
® Design a plan, to monitor and stop construction if the herons were found to be
impacted.
• Work with staff on native plantings and maintenance of those areas.
a Work with staff to screen noise and light.
® Implement additional effective screening in parking areas for residents that
will be affected by the development.
® Investigate additional options to reduce Phosphorus loading.
Donlin inquired about trees dying as a result of using the woodlands for added
infiltration. Asleson stated a decrease in Phosphorus would be worth the risk, and
the area might go back to native.
• The City should address the Phosphorus issue in terms of budget as stated in
the policy 2.3 in the Water Management Plan.
• Develop a management plan in writing concerning the herons.
• The rookery should not be disturbed during construction and the life of the
church.
Mr. Eschenaur asked for the meaning of the Phosphorus budget. Donlin answered
that the City required a 38 -50% reduction of Phosphorus leaving the site after
development.
Ms. Bor stated it was in the Water Management Plan section 2.3.
O'Dea inquired about the pipe ditch alternative. Asleson answered that he trusted
Steve Hobbs opinion, and that they were going to do a comprehensive plan for the
entire upstream area and the section of pipe in Eagle Brook would be part of it.
Again, stating that RCWD is obtaining a 50' easement on both sides of the pipe.
Grundhofer suggested that the lights be turned off after hours.
I ) • Lighting should conform to the City's Lighting Ordinance.
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O'Connell questioned the church representatives about a steeple, and its
dimensions. Ms. Leonidas answered that it had been scaled down to the City's
requirements.
Pat Smith indicated he understood the Phosphorus levels were goals, but not
requirements. The conservation easement would be legally binding, because a
draft would be established and would be a condition for construction.
Grundhofer inquired if the runoff from the overflow parking would go into
neighbors' land. Asleson answered it would go into the ponding area.
Ron Marier introduced himself as a landowner and resident. He stated that the
area proposed for planting nesting materials, was being used for that purpose
already. He had cultivated the area for nesting materials. The area could be put in
the plan at the present time in concrete language. He asked that the line be moved
for the conservation easement to include the conservation area. He believed that
Ditch 72 and Ditch 55 were connected. He also disputed the figure of 675 acres
for the watershed, and believed it to be closer to 1400 acres. He noted that the
drain tiles were not on the maps. The rainfall ponds were not addressing the water
from upstream. He suggested someone should investigate the situation further.
Asleson responded that the system had been designed for about 600 acres.
Mr. Eschenaur stated he had spoken with several people that confirmed the
watershed consisted of no more than 650 acres. Asleson inquired if the recent
drain tiles all went to the South. He noted that Ditches 55 and 72 were not
connected.
Ms. Bor suggested that the numbers be confirmed, because she believed the
church would flood.
Asleson inquired about pipe stands in the area. Mr. Marier responded that when
the system reached capacity, the water would run over the land.
Sylvia Marier noted from the neighborhood meeting there were 17 branches to
Ditch 72. Mr. Eschenaur agreed it was an extensive system.
Grundhofer questioned the impact from the tiles. Mr. Eschenaur responded the
function could not change because those upstream would be affected.
Grundhofer clarified if there was a problem, she wanted to know who would be
responsible. Mr. Eschenaur responded the RCWD was the legal authority.
Asleson stated the RCWD intended to look at the entire system and the impact the
development would have.
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O'Dea inquired if Steve Hobbs would go back to 1933 to look at the system in
terms of tiles, the impact, and the flow. Mr. Eschenaur answered the present
levels in the ditch system needed to be maintained at the present levels for the
sake of those upstream.
Donlin stated she was very protective of the downstream, especially in light of the
parking lots. She believed the lake and parks would be negatively impacted. She
admitted she could not see past the size of the plan. With the conditional use
permit, the plan must be in harmony with the neighborhood. It does not meet that
requirement..
Chair Kukonen recommended the conservation easement include the conservation
area, which would affect three homes.
Grundhofer questioned the plan if the septic system froze. Mr. Eschenaur
responded that there was a possibility that it could happen. One feature to prevent
it from happening was the overburden would be thickened. Many times the pipes
freeze, not the mounds so the pipes would be deeper in the ground. Another
feature was the monitoring system would be connected to the phone system, so
there. would be an immediate E-Mail if a failure occurred.
Ms. Bor inquired if the mound septic system could accommodate a 30% growth.
Mr. Eschenaur answered that it could handle the 1400 gallons/day, but was set up
for 2800 gallons/day.
• Once the sewer is hooked up in the neighborhood, the church would have two
years to hook up to it.
Ms. Bor stated the Comprehensive Plan had the area rural low density if it was
changed from agricultural. The road would need to be expanded to a four lane
roadway. She believes the neighborhood was at a crossroads for two reasons,
would the buffer be maintained, and would there to be the infrastructure required
to accommodate the growth.
• Planning and Zoning Board and the City should look at the size of the project
for an area zoned to be rural.
• Timely sweep impervious areas, in addition to weekly maintenance of exterior
areas.
Asleson stated that weekly sweeping of impervious areas has a very beneficial
effect on reducing the Phosphorus loading to the lake - and that if the church
would commit to this practice, the estimated phosphorous export reduction
number could be increased.
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A discussion ensued concerning the effects of snow plowing.
Ms. Bor requested a maintenance plan for the native plantings.
• Submit a management plan for native plantings and seed areas.
Donlin stated there was a native vegetation plan schedule, that might be able to be
adapted for the church. Asleson answered the management sequence would be
similar.
Ms. Bor indicated there was a lack of trust on the part of the neighbors, between,
what was presented at the meeting and what might actually happen. A church
representative admitted that the message ' had been conveyed. The committee had
been established to rebuild that trust. On Sunday at 7 p.m. there would be an open
house for the community.
D . onlin inquired if Scott Anderson represented the church or the committee. A
church representative stated the project was too large for one person, and the
committee would now represent the church.
Chair Kukonen stated that there needed to be a balance of values. He used the
image of a three legged stool representing economy, ecology, and culture. Culture
was defined as the values of the community. He called for a motion.
Donlin made a motion to recommend denial, but if it does go forth, with the
recommendations from the Board. O'Connell seconded the motion. Motion
carried unanimously.
Chair Kukonen called for a 5 minute break at 9:05 p.m.
Chair Kukonen resumed the meeting at 9:10 p.m.
B. Circle-Lex VFW Post, 7868 Lake Drive, Site Plan Review and CUP
Asleson reviewed the background.
Donlin inquired the reason for non conformance with the lighting requirements.
Asleson responded there would be a lit flagpole, but it could be buffered.
Grundhofer indicated she had a difficult time finding light fixtures. Mike Thomas
of ESW Architects answered that the fixtures would be submitted at a later time.
The Photometrics were their recommendations derived from the city
specifications.
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Donlin stated the light candles on the perimeters and in other areas exceeded the
i requirements. Our goal was to reduce the levels. Mr. Thomas answered they
were open to that.
• Conform to the City lighting requirements.
Grundhofer stated that the plant list had Summit Ash. A better option might be
Northern Pin Oak.
O'Dea asked for a reduction in the parking spaces. Mr. Thomas responded there
could be up to 400 people with 89 parking spaces, but they were looking into
using some pervious parking. Due to the ponding placement, some parking
spaces might be reduced.
Grundhofer inquired about using Netlawn on the site.
Chair Kukonen summarized the recommendations thus far.
• Reduce the number of parking spaces and utilize pervious parking.
• Use parking islands.
• Increase landscaping and buffering.
• Lighting should be downward cast.
O'Connell inquired about any lighted monuments or signage. The Commander of
j the Post indicated that the sign off the street could be removed.
Grundhofer asked for the location of the flagpoles.. Mr. Thomas responded that
the three flagpoles would be near the entrance.
Grundhofer inquired about the height of the poles. Mr. Thomas stated they would
be 16 feet high, but not higher than the building:
Donlin inquired about any options to aim the light. She referred to an example
where a blue light shined directly into traffic.
Grundhofer questioned the Commander of the Post on the hours of operation.
The Commander responded that it should close at midnight, with the lights turned
off at one or two o'clock.
Grundhofer asked for clarification that there were two entrances. Donlin
answered there were, one on Lois Lane and one on Lake Drive.
O'Connell recommended that no vent hood cleaning outside, because the runoff
would go directly into the storm sewer.
• Resolve all City Requirements.
• Recommendations from the Board from the sketch plan review.
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• Adhere to City Lighting Ordinance.
• Parking reduced to City Requirements and use pervious parking.
• Change ash trees to Northern Pin Oak.
• Work with staff on landscaping.
• Remove existing sign.
Donlin made a motion to approve the plan with recommendations from the Board.
Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
6. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. 2004 Goals
This item was tabled to the November 26, 2003 meeting.
A. Forestry
This item was tabled to the November 26, 2003 meeting.
B. Solid Waste Recycling /Recycling Day
The Fall Recycling Day was a success, with numbers similar to the Spring.
C. Environmental/Heron Issues
The next Task Force meeting would be on Wednesday at 9 a.m. at Wargo and
wanted to address the sunset clause. The graduate student had finished the report
in draft form. It was a successful nesting year. It appeared to be in the upward
swing. They want to maintain the no wake zone. The Phosphorus loading was
lower than was first thought. In 1998 the levels increased dramatically, which
coincided with the permit for water skiing.
O'Dea stated the citizens should be notified of the positive and negative
consequences of the no wake zone. Asleson responded the Task Force would first
go to the councils, then to the citizens.
Donlin asked if the impact of Phosphorus was defined. Asleson answered the
graduate student had the entire history of the area and the birds. He recommended
the biologic abstracts found in the document, and assured the Board that after the
Council was updated it would be released to the public.
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It was noted that the next meeting of the Environmental Board will be on
i November 26, 2003.
There being no further business, O'Dea moved to adjourn at 9:52 p.m.
Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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