HomeMy WebLinkAbout02/25/2004 Environmental Board MinutesENVIRONMENTAL BOARD MEETING FEBRUARY 25, 2004
CITY OF LINO LAKES
APPROVED MINUTES
DATE : February 25, 2004
TIME STARTED : 6:35 P.M.
TIME ENDED : 8:50 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT : Barbara Bor (arrived at 6:37 p.m.), Constance
Grundhofer, Rod Kukonen, Teresa O’Connell,
Mary Jo O’Dea, and Dennis Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT : Barbara Bauman
STAFF PRESENT : Environmental Coordinator Marty Asleson
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Kukonen called the meeting to order at 6:35 p.m.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
December 17, 2003
Page 3, seventh paragraph: “Chair Kukonen indicated another goal could be to
put information in the hallway for citizens to help themselves or request copies.”
Page 5, first paragraph, fourth bullet: “Petition to have the sunset clause removed
from Peltier Lake and to continue to monitor the Heron Rookery and the Northern
one-third of the lake.”
Grundhofer made a motion to approve the December 17, 2003 meeting minutes.
O’Connell seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
January 21, 2004
Grundhofer made a motion to approve the January 21, 2004 meeting minutes.
O’Connell seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
January 28, 2004
Page 4, third paragraph, fourth bullet: “Inform developer regarding restrictions on
the drainage easement to follow NPDES rules.”
Page 4, sixth paragraph: “Grundhofer made a motion the recommendations are
only in the three residential lots.”
Page 5, second paragraph: “Asleson recommended if there would be additional
impervious, they would need to put in rain gardens.”
Page 5, seventh paragraph: add the bullet point “Information should be given to
property owners concerning the Shoreland Ordinance.”
Page 6, third paragraph: “He inquired how the City was doing on addressing the
components of the NPDES. Ms. Dubats responded she would work on the
NPDES regulation and basic education information at many different levels.”
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Page 6, fourth paragraph: “Asleson indicated the new Rice Creek Watershed
District administrator wanted a more large-scale plan and qualify wetlands based
on their value.”
Page 8, tenth paragraph: “Chair Kukonen mentioned that Robert Lockyear was
good with planning for the Comprehensive Plan and NEMO.”
Page 10, eighth paragraph: “O’Dea reminded the Board how far they had come.”
Grundhofer made a motion to approve the January 28, 2004 meeting minutes.
O’Dea seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Board approved the agenda.
4. OPEN MIKE
No citizen comments were made.
5. ACTION ITEMS
A. Oakwood View/Rice Creek Covenant Church
Asleson reviewed the background and analysis. He indicated the site was wet
most of the year. He expressed concern for the wetland delineation and had
contacted Rice Creek Watershed District indicating it was short on the wetland
side.
Sharon Penner, the Vice Chair of Rice Creek Covenant Church admitted she did
not know much of the process and indicated the church was willing to comply
with any concerns of the Board.
Chair Kukonen stated that the Board was an Advisory Board, which would then
give recommendations to Council. Ms. Penner noted that they would go to
Planning and Zoning Board on March 10, 2004.
O’Dea inquired about the “O” in the driveway on the first attachment. Smith
stated he believed it was a pond or a rain garden.
O’Connell indicated she believed it was a roundabout. Asleson answered it was a
rainwater garden.
O’Dea asked for clarification if the arrows denoted the direction of flow. Smith
responded that the flow was to the West.
Asleson recommended the water should be directed into the pond.
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Smith inquired if the pond was raised. O’Dea stated she believed it was a
collector.
Chair Kukonen questioned Ms. Penner if there would be any permanent residents.
Ms. Penner indicated they wanted to make it a residence for developmentally
disabled individuals.
Chair Kukonen inquired about parking requirements for the residence. Asleson
answered that it would be based on its use.
Chair Kukonen asked when construction would begin. Ms. Penner indicated the
church needed to know if it could be zoned for it. She noted that it could be
thought of as two developments.
Asleson inquired if the church would be running the residence. Ms. Penner
responded that it would be managed by a corporation of the denomination.
Chair Kukonen stated that he would like to have a field study done to make sure
there were no rare plant species.
Grundhofer asked if it needed to be done in June. Asleson stated that it could be
done earlier.
Ms. Penner stated that they were told that they needed to comply with the
recommendations of the Boards and be flexible on the position of the building.
Asleson expressed concern on the timing of the Northern and Southern phases of
the site. Ms. Penner answered the Northern section was required to go through
Metropolitan Council, and 2004 requests were filled. They were told by the City
to bring both phases in together. There was a possibility that one might be
approved while the other could be denied.
Grundhofer noted that funding would need to be procured for the residence. She
inquired if the homes would help fund the residence. Ms. Penner responded that
they would be separate. The homes would help fund an expansion in the
sanctuary.
Smith referred to Attachment 6 about the meaning of the blue lines. He inquired
if the residents would be on the floodplain and would there be FEMA issues.
Asleson responded the interest of the Board was the hydrologic component.
Grundhofer referred to the first large attachment and concerned the upland
setbacks on Lot 9 and Lot 7. She asked if fill would be needed to bring them up
to street level. Asleson answered that there was a grading area, and they did not
want garages downhill.
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O’Connell inquired if walkout basements were necessary with the amount of fill
needed. Asleson noted the grading plan indicated it would be built up. He did
not know their budget. He urged the Board to make a recommendation.
Grundhofer asked for clarification that the surmountable curbs would be adequate
for turtles to overcome. Asleson answered that based on a model they would be
able to get over the curb.
O’Dea inquired if the number of parking stalls could be reduced. Ms. Penner
admitted it exceeded the minimum. She assured the Board that she would check
into the matter.
Grundhofer question if the backyards would be wetland. Asleson stated usually
the City retained an easement. The Aspen might remain with a 50-foot buffer. It
was a duck pond with organics.
Smith inquired if the wetland would become isolated and not have the hydrology
to sustain its present state.
Grundhofer questioned if the water direction was known. Asleson responded it
was to the West. If the Nitrogen enters the system it would reduce biodiversity.
Grundhofer inquired if the adjacent property owners would be notified prior to the
Planning and Zoning Board meeting. Ms. Penner answered that they were
holding an informal meeting on Monday. The neighbors had already received
letters inviting them to the informal meeting. They would be invited to the
Planning and Zoning meeting at that time.
Chair Kukonen asked if the Board would see it again due to the future wetland
delineation. Asleson responded usually not, but the recommendation could be
made to see it again. He continued that the hydrology soils and plant
communities took place last year.
Bor asked for confirmation that there would be no formal review process at Rice
Creek Watershed District. Asleson agreed that nothing formal, but usually their
review took place one week following the Environmental Board meeting.
Chair Kukonen stated that it was necessary for a more thorough review. Asleson
responded that the delineators worked for the client.
Grundhofer inquired if on the tree inventory included Hackleberry, or was it a
typographical error for Hackberry. Asleson stated it was.
Chair Kukonen questioned Ms. Penner if the church was willing to delay the
Southern portion until a rare plant species study could take place. Ms. Penner
responded that they would not move forward until it had been done.
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Grundhofer inquired if it went through the Planning and Zoning Board, would it
be finished. Asleson stated that if an issue was found, he would notify other staff
and Board as an update.
Bor stated that if a Comprehensive Plan Amendment was required, it would take
time, with ample time for the study to take place.
Chair Kukonen reviewed the recommendations from the Board:
• Grading should be done to facilitate the water flow into the pond within the
turnabout.
• No soils should be imported or exported without City approval.
• Reduce parking as much as possible.
• The Environmental Board strongly recommended a 50-foot buffer around the
wetland area.
• A management plan should be in place.
• Signage for property owners to inhibit dumping.
Smith inquired how it would be enforced. Asleson gave the example of
Clearwater Creek being self-policed by the neighbors. He had received calls and
sent letters to residents.
Grundhofer stated the homeowners needed to know that they were purchasing
wetlands.
O’Connell inquired if the Board could suggest no walk-out basements. Asleson
answered they could not.
Smith stated utility and drainage easements would be included, so no additional
recommendations would be needed. He questioned if there were any plans for
management access. Asleson indicated it would be legally described and
recorded.
Grundhofer urged them to follow the ordinance for tree preservation. Asleson
stated that they needed to submit a tree preservation plan.
• Submit Tree Preservation Plan.
Smith inquired if the developer did the tree inventory. Asleson answered the
developer hired someone to do it.
Chair Kukonen had questions concerning plans for lighting. Asleson responded
that no lighting plan had been submitted.
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• Lighting should be downward focused, no spill, with lights turned off at a
certain time.
O’Dea made a motion to recommend approval with staff and Board
recommendations. Bor seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
B. Highland Meadows East 2nd Addition
Asleson reviewed the background and analysis. He noted there was no Tree
Inventory submitted. The road had been narrowed by two feet.
Steve Schmidt introduced himself and noted that it was zoned industrial. It would
be similar to the development in Coon Rapids with homes about 1800 square feet
with 3 car garages.
Asleson inquired where the soils would be coming from. Mr. Schmidt stated that
those sites they had explored were not adequate, they were planning to pursue
some in Forest Lake. He assured that they would make sure the City approved
the soil.
Grundhofer questioned if there would be decks. Mr. Schmidt responded that the
middle unit would not have a deck, but the others would.
Grundhofer inquired about the block areas. Mr. Schmidt answered they were lot
size. He added that ornamental trees would be between the units with private
roads.
Grundhofer questioned if there would be sod around the townhouses, so each
rectangle would be the yard.
Chair Kukonen inquired if the rest of the area was defined as open space. He was
confused about the percentages. Open Space P.U.D. was defined as 50%
pervious open space.
Grundhofer expressed concern for the 30 tree removals. She asked for the reason
trees #1100-#1102 would be removed, because they were not near any building or
street. Mr. Schmidt answered that they were two pines and an elm. The pines
were under 3 feet, and the elm probably would not live long.
Asleson noted the concern for the soils was changing the compaction and
pervious effect. Mr. Schmidt responded that they could bring in more sand and
organic matter.
Asleson stated that native species did not need organics.
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Smith inquired about the reason for removing the small trees. Mr. Troy Lithguard
with the engineering firm answered it would be according to Rice Creek
Watershed District specifications.
O’Dea suggested reducing the overflow parking. Mr. Schmidt agreed he would
like to reduce them.
Chair Kukonen recommended the minimum parking spaces. Mr. Schmidt agreed
with the three car garages it could be possible.
Chair Kukonen questioned if the Board could recommend at or below the
minimum parking spaces.
O’Dea inquired if there were any concerns for other neighbors and would they be
willing to buffer for them.
O’Connell indicated that it appeared the site was zoned R-1 per a 1998 map of the
area. Asleson answered that the issue was addressed in a staff report.
• Effective buffering for neighboring areas.
Bor inquired if there was a formal Landscape Plan. Mr. Schmidt stated there was
one, and they had copies. He distributed the Landscape Plan to the Board.
Asleson noted there was no Landscape Plan in the file. He expressed concern
about the long cul-de-sac.
Bor asked if they could speak through the plan and its impacts, since they had not
received it previously.
Mr. Lithguard stated that trees would be planted at the entrance. Asleson
recommended that the Colorado Spruce and Austrian Pine be replaced with White
Pine or White Spruce.
Bor expressed concern about the impacts of salt. Asleson answered that Austrian
Pine was salt tolerant.
Bor inquired if the streets would be plowed by the City. Mr. Schmidt responded
that it would be maintained by the association. He added if trees died and needed
to be removed, the association would be responsible for it.
Grundhofer had questions concerning the natural areas. Mr. Schmidt answered
that the areas would not be excavated, but sodded and irrigated.
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Asleson stated it was not going to work. He recommended that it should be left
alone or planted with native grasses. Mr. Schmidt responded his actions would
depend on tree coverage. If it was Buckthorn, it would be removed.
O’Connell inquired where the natural drainage pattern was. She noted at present
there was a large pond on site. Asleson added the pond took up the entire site.
Mr. Schmidt clarified there was supposed to be an additional pond, but it was
never installed.
Asleson mentioned the road was not as wide as it was previously. Mr. Schmidt
stated that there would be no parking allowed on the road.
Asleson stated that the buffering and screening requirements would still apply to
the site, but not the road.
O’Connell expressed concern for the lighting fixtures. Mr. Schmidt stated there
would be two small lights on a ten-foot post.
Grundhofer noted that the City ordinance required the light be downcast.
Chair Kukonen asked the developers to demonstrate the 50% open space. Mr.
Lithguard answered the amount of green space was 75%.
O’Dea noted the information stated 74.3% pervious.
Grundhofer expressed her confusion on how the numbers were derived. Asleson
noted that houses were considered impervious.
O’Connell indicated that the 50% did not include the lots. Mr. Schmidt
responded the engineers calculated the numbers.
Grundhofer stated that she believed the numbers needed to be verified, and it
needed to comply with the open space standards of a P.U.D.
• It must be demonstrated that it complies with open space performance
standards for a P.U.D. according to the Zoning Ordinance.
O’Dea made a motion to recommend approval with the recommendations of staff
and the Board. Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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6. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Earth Day
Asleson noted there was a meeting planned for Thursday February 26, 2004.
Grundhofer mentioned letters had been sent out to Neighborhood Crime Watch
captains. They were instructed to notify their neighbors of the Earth Day
celebration.
Asleson stated he spoke with Mike Hoffman and was willing to do his wood duck
houses again this year.
Grundhofer indicated the time of the meeting would be at 6:30 p.m. at Wargo
Nature Center.
O’Connell noted the food had been taken care of, but the beverages still needed to
be finalized.
B. Fire Wise/Pine Vista
Asleson stated the process was progressing. There were three more parcels to
inventory for thinning. They would be holding the bidding soon for possibly 500-
600 cords of tub grindings. They were waiting for the grant to come in through
the DNR. Jim Wilson, a new forester from Forest Lake was going to help. The
concern was not merely a fire standpoint, but also a disease standpoint as well. It
would be healthier for people and the ecosystem.
C. Open Space Plan Update and Joint Meeting
Asleson noted there would be a joint meeting followed by the regular meeting
March 31, 2004. They were going to meet with Brower and Associates to define
a new level for open space. The definition of greenway had evolved over the
years.
Chair Kukonen stated it would be important to attain a contiguous network.
O’Dea suggested that the perspective of the Board be given to the Parks and
Recreation Board, and theirs be given to the Board for better understanding
before the meeting. She inquired if the Metro Greenway people could be tied in
as well and attend the meeting. Asleson assured the Board he would call them on
Thursday.
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D. Other Updates and Discussion Items
O’Connell mentioned the front page of the newsletter was nicely done. The
beetles were tied into the Buckthorn issue, and the residents would be very
motivated to remove the Buckthorn.
O’Dea inquired if it had ever been discussed to change the Board’s meeting time,
so that Rice Creek Watershed District’s review could be addressed in the Board’s
meeting. Asleson stated that the Board’s meeting time was important for the
City’s timeline. He stated he would mention it to Rice Creek Watershed District
about it.
Smith mentioned he would not be able to attend the March meeting.
Asleson stated the display rack would need to be similar to those by the fire
hydrant. He recommended making it an agenda item to decide what articles to
include in the rack. Chair Kukonen added that they could make copies as well.
Asleson noted that the Board members should visit the Spirit Hills Commercial
areas, because Netlawn had been put in and had signage recommending parking
on it. It was working.
Dennis Smith still needed to be sworn in for the Board.
7. ADJOURN
It was noted that the next meeting of the Environmental Board will be on March
31, 2004.
There being no further business, O’Connell moved to adjourn at 8:50 p.m.
Grundhofer seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Transcribed by:
Brigette Blesi
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
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