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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05-27-2014 Council Work Session MinutesCITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION APPROVED DATE TIME STARTED TIME ENDED MEMBERS PRESENT MEMBERS ABSENT CITY OF LINO LAKES MINUTES May 27, 2014 : May27,2014 . 5:35 p.m. . 6:35 p.m. : Council Member Stoesz, Kusterman, Rafferty, Roeser and Mayor Reinert : None Staff members present: City Administrator Jeff Karlson; Public Safety Director John Swenson; Community Development Director Michael Grochala; City Clerk Julie Bartell 1. Review Regular Agenda- 3A) Consideration of Springsted's Fire Department Analysis- City Administrator Karlson noted that Consultants Dave Unmacht, Matt Stark and Pat Simpson were present at the meeting by speakerphone. Mr. Unmacht provided a high level overview of the material in his report that is entitled City of Lino Lakes Fire Department Analysis He identified the five specific components of the scope of services related to the report. Also noted was the study process used to complete the report. He then reviewed the options included in the report as well as the provisions of each. Considerations for moving forward with one of the options are also included in the report. There is information included that confirms the understanding going into the study that another fire station is needed and should be built — and that would be true regardless of a split from the Centennial Fire District (CFD). He noted that there are some assumptions included because some information, such as what equipment will be needed, is not yet available. The report identifies the importance of volunteer recruitment and training. The report is intended to assist the council as it proceeds with policy discussion on plans for fire services in the city. Mayor Reinert noted that there are a couple of things not included in the report. The council did request options on where the new station could be located. The report includes one such option that will never make sense and that is locating the station at the "S" curve on Birch. No included in the report is an option to locate it on 12th or Birch and Centerville — two maps that he'd like to see. Looking at response time from Birch and Centerville, it is arguable under that scenario that Lino Lakes would have better service with two stations than with the three current and could build on land the city already owns. The mayor also clarified that the report contains assumptions on equipment costs at a level that would never be necessary but he understands that the consultants used a number that represents "starting from scratch ". The 68% of current equipment that Lino Lakes will get from the CFD isn't identified as yet and the number of 1 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION May 27, 2014 APPROVED 45 new firefighters needing new equipment doesn't take into consideration personnel that 46 join who already have equipment. 47 48 Council Member Roeser suggested that the cost of staying with the CFD and adding a 49 new station actually could have resulted in the higher costs. He also noted that there will 50 be savings also when the city can stop subsidizing the other cities in CFD and as well 51 there is the possibility of utilizing land that the city already owns for a new station. If a 52 new station were to locate on the city land, that is being looked at as well for ball fields so 53 it would be beneficial to have a fire station and perhaps a police substation near the 54 athletic facilities. The mayor added that the new station proposed in the report would be 55 larger than originally anticipated and therefore has the potential for community meeting 56 space. Regarding the costs of a fire department, the day to day costs would not go up not 57 considering the bonding for a new station which would have been necessary at any rate. 58 59 Council Kusterman asked if the options are presented in order of the consultant's 60 recommendation and the response was that there was no priority presented. 61 62 (Dave Unmacht was excused from the conversation due to another commitment.) 63 64 Administrator Karlson noted that a two -year window for implementation exists (from 65 January 2014) and that means that the council will have to move soon on its decisions. 66 Mr. Karlson reviewed the next steps that would begin implementation of the council's 67 preferred option. 68 69 The council discussed recruitment ideas. The mayor noted that there may be an option to 70 offer a five year vesting period for pensions as compared to the current ten. Council 71 Member Stoesz suggested keeping an open mind about incentives that could draw 72 personnel. 73 74 The council discussed the structure of the firefighter pension program. Those pensions 75 aren't necessarily portable from one fire department to another but that's a change being 76 explored. The mayor noted that, based on what he's heard from the other cities, a 77 legislative change doesn't appear to be on the horizon; this city will put forward a good 78 and sustainable pension option he is certain. Administrator Karlson noted that Springsted 79 will be providing additional information on pension options. It was clarified that pension 80 funds are invested by the State Investment Board. 81 82 The council discussed the action they will consider at this point. Administrator Karlson 83 explained that the council should consider moving forward on one of the two preferred 84 options since time is important and there is a two -year deadline. Mayor Reinert said he 85 is leaning toward the Public Safety Department model — he likes the possibility of 86 administrative savings — but there is a right and wrong way to do that. Council Member 87 Rafferty suggested that he'd like more time to study the report; he'd be okay with 88 accepting the report as an action. Administrator Karlson remarked that staff is at a point 89 where it's important to know the council's decision on the type of department; staff's 2 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION May 27, 2014 APPROVED 90 recommendation is the Public Safety Department. Mayor Reinert suggested that, if more 91 time is needed, the council could hold a special council meeting on June 2 when there is 92 already a work session scheduled. Tonight's action could still be to accept the report and 93 acknowledge that the city will be moving forward on a separate department. Police 94 Chief Swenson noted that time is of the essence especially as it concerns the need to 95 begin recruiting firefighters. 96 97 The council concurred that they would recess this work session and reconvene after the 98 regular council meeting. 99 100 The meeting was recessed at 6:35 p.m. 101 102 The meeting reconvened at 7:40 p.m. All members of the council were present. 103 104 Police Chief Swenson returned to discussion of the report, noting the pros and cons of the 105 two models — standalone fire department or public safety department model. Even with 106 the public safety department there are examples in other cities indicating different 107 models. He supports a model separating the police and fire personnel in that police, when 108 on duty, do not perform fire fighter duties. The police department does not have enough 109 personnel to sustain that model. In order to move forward with recruiting and other 110 pressing elements, the council needs to identify the model that should proceed so that 111 leadership and articulation of the plan can proceed. Recruitment is an important element 112 and having a clear plan will assist in that effort as well. 113 114 Council Members weighed in on the options: 115 116 Mayor Reinert noted that, through the review process and with the assistance of 117 infounation from Chief Swenson, he is seeing the public safety department model 118 as the way to go for this city. On the matter of moving forward, it's clear from 119 the expert assistance that the city will be able to do this project and now the drill 120 down to get a department in place must begin. He has heard from a number of 121 firefighters who support the effort and are open to recruitment. 122 123 Council Member Roeser said he likes the idea of having central administration, as 124 provided by a public safety department model. He'd also like to see work begin 125 on service agreements anticipated with other fire departments in the area, as he 126 knows that will be necessary. How the city establishes the pension plan for the 127 department will be an important element for recruitment. 128 129 - Council Member Kusterman asked how the city will establish a plan to get 130 recruits trained. Chief Swenson explained the means available to recruit trained 131 personnel as well as training options that will be explored. Chief Swenson added 132 that an important element is having leadership identified and in place so plans can 133 move ahead under that person's guidance. Council Member Kusterman likes the 3 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION May 27, 2014 APPROVED 134 idea of a public safety department because it allows the city to "hit the ground 135 running" more so than other options. 136 137 Council Member Stoesz wondered if there is a possibility of a fire district again in 138 the future and Police Chief Swenson indicated that wouldn't be a discussion he'd 139 enter at this time. Council Member Stoesz asked about how properties bordering 140 or outside the city borders are handled under mutual aid and Chief Swenson 141 explained that mutual aid and auto agreements are status quo and will be a part of 142 any department and are something that will begin to be established as soon as 143 possible. 144 145 Council Member Rafferty noted that just the changes at CFD will decrease the 146 number of firefighters needed there. 147 148 Current firefighters in the audience offered comments on the public safety department 149 model, the need to keep roles of police and firefighters separate, the importance of the 150 pension issues to current personnel (not losing pension benefits), and the importance of 151 recruiting some trained personnel, 152 153 Administrator Karlson noted that there will be an actuarial done so that personnel can see 154 exactly how individual pensions will look. 155 156 The council discussed how to move forward. Chief Swenson suggested that the public 157 safety department or standalone fire department are the two options he sees. 158 159 Council Member Rafferty expressed that he'd prefer to have more time to review the 160 report. Since the council only gives direction at work session, the council would act at a 161 council meeting to authorize steps forward. 162 163 On architectural services for a new station, Community Development Director Grochala 164 noted that he plans to send out the request for qualifications to eight firms just to receive 165 information on possibilities; hiring for the project would be subject to a council vote in 166 future. 167 168 The mayor announced that he is hearing concurrence on accepting the report, having a 169 fire department, having a new fire station, and establishing it though a department of 170 public safety. So staff is directed to move in that direction. The council can set a special 171 meeting to precede the work session on June 2 to take a vote on formal directions. 172 Council Member Roeser said he wants to ensure that communications on what is 173 occurring is fully open with the CFD personnel. Chief Swenson said he will be 174 providing status updates to that personnel as well as implementing a recruitment plan as 175 soon as possible. 176 177 2. Street Reconstruction Plan Update — Community Development Director 178 Grochala distributed a map and recalled that the council has previously discussed this 4 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION May 27, 2014 APPROVED 179 plan and setting the stage for the issuance of street reconstruction bonds for a project in 180 the beginning of 2015. The draft the council has seen had five phases of projects totaling 181 about $15 million. Staff has worked with Springsted on phasing and is now 182 recommending a 2015 and 2019 project as the first phase. The consultants are drafting 183 the Street Reconstruction Plan itself. As indicated on the map distributed, Phase 1 would 184 be the Shennandoah area. He explained the steps required under state statute to proceed 185 with a street reconstruction program. The next step for the city is to call a public hearing 186 with proper notice and staff is prepared to move on that element. He explained the bond 187 analysis that has occurred and anticipated yearly debt service that would occur above and 188 beyond the city's current budget commitment to street reconstruction. There is a petition 189 for referendum period of thirty days allowed under statute and the current schedule would 190 allow for a ballot question if indeed that was petitioned for. 191 192 Council Member Kusterman noted that the plan should be fair as far as project locations 193 within the city — not all projects in the same area. Staff pointed out that the map doesn't 194 show the whole story such as consideration of street overlay projects. The mayor would 195 like to see a map that shows overlays over the past years also. 196 197 The council concurred to call the public hearing after which they will consider this plan; 198 staff was directed to publish proper notice. 199 200 These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the regular Council meeting held on 201 June 9, 2014. 202 203 204 205 206 Juli 207 e Bartell, City)Clerk 5