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Planning & Zoning Board
November 8, 2000
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CITY OF LINO LAKES
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD MINUTES
I. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
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II.
Chair Schaps called the Lino Lakes Planni
p.m., November 8, 2000.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES —
Mr. Schilling made a MOTI
of the Lino Lakes Planni
carried 7 -0.
Board meeting to order at 6:30
pp e the minutes of the October 11, 2000, meeting
ning Board, and was supported by Ms. Lane. Motion
III. APPROVAL 0
The agenda was app - ved.
IV. OPEN MIKE
Chair Schaps declared open mike open at 6:33 p.m.
Rich Matzke, 482 Main Street, indicated he has been a resident of Lino Lakes since 1962.
He explained he was concerned with the development near Blue Bill Ponds and stated a
neighborhood meeting was never held to discuss this issue, as suggested by the Planning
Commission.
Mr. Matzke indicated numerous trucks of dirt are being brought into the Blue Bill Ponds
property and he is concerned with water runoff in his basement. He indicated a retention
pond is being built within the new development but noted he feels additional runoff will
reach his property.
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• Chair Schaps suggested Mr. Matzke meet with the City Engineer John Paul to discuss this
item in further detail.
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Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to close Open Mike at 6:39 p.m., and was supported by
Mr. Schilling. Motion carried 7 -0.
V. ACTION ITEMS
A. PUBLIC HEARING, TSM Development, Highland Meadows West 2nd
Addition
Chair Schaps declared the public hearing opened at 6:40 p.m.
Staff presented the application for Highland Meadows West, a planned development
overlay (PDO) which received final plat approval in April 20 ' :hland Meadows
West 2nd Addition includes land within the northern portio Hi., d Meadows. The
2nd Addition will create four lots: 2 new single family 1 which contain
existing houses. He indicated the lots would meet th e foot lot size
minimum along with adequate lot widths and dept o create a 50 -foot
extension of Marilyn Drive. Staff presented it 1 o 'eve project and recommended
approval of the preliminary plat with the se. o �� s detailed in the staff report.
Staff explained he wished to add a sen ition number six stating the applicant
must have proof that the Rice Creed s as approved the project and shall be
submitted to the City by Novembe
Chair Schaps asked the ap.1 "he or his engineer would like to make comment.
Steve Schmidt, 222 ?. ' treet, Anoka, stated he had nothing to add at this time. Mr.
Schmidt indicate.. wo ;. e willing to meet the Rice Creek Watershed deadline by
November 22, 201 E" a= plained he felt the proposed development would clean up the
surrounding prope treets, and make good use of the property. Mr. Schmidt stated he
was in no hurry at thi °'time but would appreciate approval from the Planning
Commission.
Ms. Lane asked why Outlot E was referred to on this plat. Staff indicated the original plat
was called Outlot E but should have been renamed to Outlot A on the revised plat map.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to close the public hearing at 6:52 p.m., and was supported
by Mr. Corson. Motion carried 7 -0.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to approve the Highland Meadows West 2nd Addition
Preliminary Plat based on the following conditions:
1. Lot 3, Block 1, shall be adjusted to meet the minimum requirement for buildable area
above the pond elevation. Revised plans shall show this change and be submitted by
November 22 to allow review and time before City Council approval.
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2. The area shown as Outlot B of this 2nd Addition shall be part of Outlot A, Highland
Meadows West 2nd Addition, it shall not be a separate parcel. Revised plans shall
show this change and be submitted by November 22 to allow review time before City
Council approval.
3. This comments of the City Engineer in the November 3, 2000 TKDA memo shall be
addressed to his satisfaction. The required information and revised plans shall be
submitted by November 22 to allow review time before City Council approval.
4. No additional development shall occur in Outlot A, Highland Meadows West 2nd
Addition until safe and efficient circulation in the area including Main Street access is
addressed to the satisfaction of the City and Anoka County.
5. Existing septic systems on Lot 1, Block 2, and Lot 1, Block 1, shall be properly
abandoned. Both properties shall connect to City utilities. Existing wells may be
retained only for irrigation.
6. All permits required by the Rice Creek Watershed District shall be obtained prior to
any site grading. Previous permits must be adhered to P at the Rice Creek
Watershed has approved the project and shall be submi City by November
22, 2000.
7. Final utility, grading, and drainage plans must o from the City Engineer
prior to site grading.
The motion was supported by Mr. Johnson ied 6 -0 -1 (Rafferty abstained).
B. PUBLIC HEARING (Conti
Chair Schaps declared the conti
Staff reviewed that at the
continued the public h
meeting with intereste
letters to eight de
representatives of
the costs of develop
developers present u
reservation Ordinance No. 09 -00
aring reopened at 6:54 p.m.
13, 2000 meeting, the Planning & Zoning Board
ovember meeting and recommended that staff hold a
opers to discuss the tree ordinance. Staff indicated they sent
rms inviting them to a meeting on October 24 and
attended. The discussion focused primarily on increasing
nt with new tree survey and replacement requirements and the
imously opposed the new ordinance.
Staff explained that the draft ordinance requires three basic steps: 1.) Count and measure
the healthy trees on the site and calculate the total diameter inches; 2.) Calculate what
will be lost because of the development plan; and, 3.) Calculate what percentage of the
loss must be replaced. Certain less desirable trees to not need to be counted or replaced.
Staff indicated tree preservation could be maintained by reducing the development
density throughout the City. He indicated this would not prove to be favorable for
developers and thus not favorable for the City. Staff reviewed several other methods with
the Commission and asked for their comments and suggestions.
Chair Schaps invited those in the audience to make comment.
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Rick Carlson, 935 130th Avenue, Ham Lake, noted he owns approximately 100 acres of
wooded property within the City. He stated the tree ordinance as proposed concerns him
as a property owner. Mr. Carlson indicated the analysis done by staff was adequate but
stated it may be unrealistic due to the heavy grading required within the City. He noted
approximately 75 % -90% of each lot is graded with new developments, which does not
allow for great tree preservation.
Mr. Carlson indicated the tree ordinance would bring about additional work on the part of
the residents and City Staff. He stated the figures suggested by the planning specialist
may be too low, as he sees it could cost up to $20,000 per acre. Mr. Carlson suggested
that the City reduce the replacement requirements before approving this tree preservation
ordinance. He indicated this would be the most cost effective method for staff,
developers, and the public.
Mr. Carlson noted the City of Blaine and the City of Fridley e ordinances that
could be reviewed by staff. He indicated these ordinances . of tringent but set a
maximum number of trees per zoning district. Mr. Car n•' >>' problem he has with
this ordinance is passing the cost of the assessment f•� e t•� is clientele.
Mr. Rafferty asked for the defining point on w
developed. Mr. Carlson stated for those pr
in place. He noted the City must rememb
Steve Schmitt, 222 Monroe Street
ordinance for tree protection an
Commission at this time. H
Brooklyn Park and noted t
City of Brooklyn Park
Mr. Schmitt note
conjunction with a
while continuing to
ert `' °''` could and could not be
stion that PUD and PDO be put
perty owner does have rights.
he would agree on some form of
but not the ordinance before the Planning
andscaping escrow is required by the City of
oven to be an effective system. Mr. Schmitt noted the
trees per lot with a fully sodded lot.
dscape ordinance may be more effective for the City in
cement ordinance. He indicated this assists the developer
et the tree preservation needs of the City.
Mr. Rafferty indicated he feels the developers are not trying to wipe out the entire tree
population. He stated he doesn't feel it is up to the Commission to stick it to the
developers either. Mr. Rafferty asked that the Commission members be notified of future
meetings held with developers on this issue. He suggested Staff review neighboring
communities' tree preservation ordinances and report back to the Commission.
Tom Wallrich, Attorney Representative for TSM Development, noted he is familiar with
the City of Blaine's tree preservation ordinance. He suggested the City review this in part
with a landscaping plan for future developments within Lino Lakes.
Chair Schaps stated he felt an ordinance was needed for future development but stated
additional information should be gained before a recommendation was made to the
Council.
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Mr. Johnson asked what the Commission was trying to solve at this point in time. He
noted he doesn't feel developers have clear cut land throughout the City. Chair Schaps
agreed but stated he feels the City should be proactive in an effort to preserve trees.
Mr. Corson suggested that Staff evaluate trees by location on lots and create a system for
tree preservation. He noted this would create an incentive for preservation if possible.
Mr. Schmitt cautioned the Commission as to the preservation and requirements of trees
because the more trees required per lot the higher the price of the lot becomes.
Chair Schaps recommended Staff research additional city ordinances and continue the
public hearing to the February 2001 meeting.
Ms. Lane suggested a landscaping plan be sought after as well. Chair Schaps asked that
this be discussed with the developers at a work session meets information has
been received in January of 2001.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to continue the public h 7 p.m., and was
supported by Mr. Johnson. Motion carried 7 -0.
Mr. Zych excused himself from the meetin
• VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Northwest Saddle Clu n.
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Staff presented the applic ;o tted by Heritage Development for a concept design
to develop the Saddle ld Birch Street. The project is being reviewed
through the City's con on development process. The first steps in that review
involve informal ith the advisory boards before preparing a formal plat
submittal. Staff as � _ .t the Environmental Board discussed two concept plans at
ark Board discussed this concept plan at its November 6 meeting.
meetings and t �� ' p p g•
Staff advised the next step after tonight's meeting is for the developer to consider
Planning & Zoning board comments in the preparation of a formal submittal. The
application will include a planned development overlay, preliminary plat, amendment to
the Comprehensive Plan to allocate MUSA bank acres to the southern portion of the site,
and rezoning of that portion. Staff presented its analysis and requested direction to guide
further discussion of the project design with the developer.
Chair Schaps asked for the trade offs for this PUD. Staff asked that the developer address
this issue with the Commission.
Mr. Corson suggested the City of Shoreview be contacted regarding the dangers of icicles
from large towers reaching neighboring properties. Staff indicated he would investigate
this item.
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Mr. Corson asked if a lift station would be possible for the proposed development. Staff
indicated this would be a possibility but noted the lift station would require additional
maintenance on the part of the City.
Mr. Johnson noted Old Birch Street may require maintenance before this development
could be completed. Chair Schaps concurred.
John Hill, Heritage Development, reviewed his concept plan with the Commission for the
Saddle Club property. He noted out of the 40 acres on this site approximately 26 acres
would be built on.
Mr. Hill indicated he felt a trail through this development would be difficult if sought
around the exterior of the development. He stated trails could be placed on this site but
not at the rear lot lines.
Chair Schaps asked for the trade offs provided by the devel
development status. Mr. Hill indicated there would be
and common space for all residents within the devel
City for a PUD
ount of open space
Chair Schaps indicated concern for the impact on ld Birch Street. He stated he
would be in favor of this development if de � • � � % in density. Mr. Johnson
concurred with the impact to traffic.
Mr. Hill stated by decreasing the d
may be risky due to the fact the
area. Mr. Hill indicated as p
rice would be increased. He noted this
of warrant lot prices over $80,000 in this
is should draw roughly $40,000 per lot.
Mr. Rafferty stated co r ,•ensity at this time. Mr. Hill noted he feels the PUD
common space was the ay to address this lot with the large number of wetlands.
Chair Schaps state
City needs to see so
developer come up
decreasing the density to roughly 50 lots.
ncerned with the price level at this time. Staff added that the
flexibility with the density and trail options. He asked that the
th a more fair trade off by either preserving more open space or by
Chair Schaps concurred and asked if the developer would be flexible in reducing the
density of this development. Mr. Johnson noted he doesn't want to see the prices
increased too greatly. He indicated this would be the case if the density were to be
decreased.
Mr. Rafferty raised concern for the lack of a park in this development for children. Mr.
Hill noted a change could be made to lots 33 and 35 to allow for a tot lot.
Mr. Corson indicated he was not in favor of the development as proposed due to the
density and lack of trade offs. Mr. Rafferty concurred.
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Staff asked for the concerns from the Commission at this time on this development. Mr.
Rafferty suggested this plan go back to square one and eliminate request for the PUD and
increased density.
Ms. Lane noted she was not in favor of moving the MUSA line as it would not allow
other properties to be granted MUSA. Staff stated the MUSA allocation was only
allocated to uplands. He indicated less than 10 acres would be needed for MUSA
allocation with the development as proposed.
Mr. Schilling noted Old Birch Road would need to be resurfaced before this development
could be started. He added that he would like to see lower densities on the end cul -de-
sacs to reduce to overall density.
Mr. Johnson stated he was in favor of the development as is. He noted concern for Old
Birch Road and stated he would like to see a trail through thi $, opment with
connections to Birch Park.
Chair Schaps indicated he is sensitive to Old Birch
indicated there has been several serious accidents a
in the area could increase the danger.
s near the area. He
ed that increased density
Mr. Hill thanked the Commission for thei'`o ts. He stated he would review his
• plan and report back to Staff.
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Mr. Rafferty stated he would li
items. Staff indicated they
review.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
ackets delivered sooner for review of the
hem as soon as possible for the Commission's
Mr. Corson made to adjourn the meeting at 8:26 p.m., and was supported by
Mr. Schilling. Mot carried 6 -0.
Respectfully submitted,
Heidi Guenther, Recording Secretary
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