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Planning & Zoning Board
December 13, 2000
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CITY OF LINO LAKES
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD MINUTES
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
STAFF PRESENT
: December 13, 2000
6:30 P.M.
9:42 P.M.
: Corson, Johnson, Lane, Rafferty (arrived at 6:37
p.m .), S c hilling (arrived at 6:43 p.m! ), Schaps, and
Zych
: None
: City Planner Smyser; City Engineer Powel;
Economic Development Director Brian Wessel
L CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Chair Schaps called the Lino Lakes Planni Board meeting to order at 6:30
p.m., December 13, 2000.
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES —
Page 2, first paragraph: core,
Page 6, seventh parag
Ms. Lane made a
the Lino Lakes Pla
Corson. Motion c
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neer John Powell's name.
hnson concurred with the impact to traffic."
approve the minutes of the November 8, 2000, meeting of
d Zoning Board as corrected, and was supported by Mr.
d 5 -0.
III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was approved.
IV. OPEN MIKE
Chair Schaps declared open mike open at 6:33 p.m.
No one was present for open mike.
• Mr. Corson made a MOTION to close Open Mike at 6:33 p.m., and was supported by Ms.
Lane. Motion carried 5 -0.
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V. ACTION ITEMS
A. Chris Lyden, 6275 Holly Drive, Variance
Staff presented the application by explaining Chris Lyden owns 4.07 acres of property,
zoned rural, at 6275 Holly Drive. Since the ordinance requires a minimum of ten acres in
the rural zoning district, this property is a pre- existing non - conforming lot of record. Mr.
Lyden would like to construct a 34 -foot by 64 -foot pole barn on the property using metal
siding and roofing material. The Zoning Ordinance specifically prohibits metal siding
and roofing material on properties less than five (5) acres in size. The proposed
construction will meet the square footage requirement and setback requirements.
Staff reviewed the findings of fact that need to be met for variance consideration and
indicated staff does not believe this variance criteria can be met in this case since Mr.
Lyden can construct a wood frame building, on footings with •• , q lab, that would have a
similar effect to a post frame building although it may be m cos ._. Staff advised it
has received numerous requests for such construction a ouraged the
variance procedure because in most cases, the reques ,. a = on the additional
construction costs.
Staff presented its analysis of the request, n• • t icant has described his hardship
as follows-:
1. Pole barn type construction is
2. Pole barn type construction, w
mid - engine all wood day
3. Pole barn type construct
Mr. Rafferty arrived a
Mr. Johnson inqui
recently tested, or i
question but, perhap
is property due to questionable soils.
ent floor, is necessary to preserve 1958
o moisture factors.
reduce threat of loss from grass fires.
mg the questionable soil issue and asked if they had been
soil was involved. Mr. Smyser stated he is unable to answer that
the applicant could provide that information.
Mr. Johnson noted a building that conforms to the Code can be constructed without a
slab. He asked if that type of building can be constructed on questionable soils. Mr.
Smyser stated he does not know.
Mr. Corson asked if the concern is the corrugated siding due to the image and desire to
have accessory buildings match the appearance of the house. Mr. Smyser stated that is
correct as well as an attempt to keep less rural sized lots from being covered with pole
barns since they are typically not the most aesthetically pleasing structures. He noted that
pole barns are allowed on larger sized rural parcels.
Mr. Zych asked if the property behind the applicant's land remains undeveloped so it
would not infringe on a neighbor's rights. Mr. Smyser stated the surrounding property is
wetland and he doubts a house could be built on it.
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Mr. Rafferty noted the five -acre requirement and criteria of hardship on the owner based
on the size of the lot. He stated it clearly appears that beyond the western half of the
property, it is not buildable for anything. Directly to the north, it is clearly all wetland.
Mr. Rafferty noted the City goes the extra mile to get permissions from the neighbors so
they are aware of the request, but the ordinance draws some "lines in the sand" to protect
the interests of the City for future development. Mr. Rafferty stated he spoke with the
surrounding land owners and one neighbor, who has a large investment, stated he has
seen these plans and agrees with the request if the pole barn is located on the southern
portion. Mr. Rafferty asked if the front elevation would contain a formal setting such as a
concrete apron.
Chair Schaps asked the applicant if he would like to make comment.
Chris Lyden, applicant, stated it was not his plan to put a slab t of the building but
he has been considering some type of apron that the overhe uld come down on.
He stated if it is the consent of the Board that a slab sh he would do so.
Mr. Rafferty stated his concern that the front elevat
passerby. He suggested that a two to three foo
Rafferty reviewed the recent request from t
costs of the structure with a metal seam r
Mr. Schilling arrived at 6:43 p.m.
formal appearance to the
oul ".rovide that aspect. Mr.
Bank and inquired about the
Mr. Lyden stated the issue is �k� ••st, but one of providing a quality building for
his antique boat. He explrt construction as proposed would be more costly and he
believes a wood type s •t a concrete floor, due to its weight, is not appropriate
for the site due to the tl :
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Mr. Lyden stated he is aware of those concerns and has taken that information into
consideration when designing the pole barn. He stated that cost is not the issue, rather, it
is the quality of the building. He noted the added aesthetics resulting from the 5:12 roof
pitch of the pole barn to match that of the house, the wainscot style of siding, two foot
overhang, and overhead garage style door. Mr. Lyden pointed out the proposed location
is right next to his house so he will be constructing a quality structure.
Mr. Lyden stated he understands the concern related to aesthetics. However, no one will
build within one - quarter mile to the north or within hundreds of acres to the west. To the
south, the property owner is buffered by 75 feet of pine trees and has provided his
consent. Mr. Lyden stated this proposal will not be a negative impact to the residents or
future development of the City.
Chair Schaps stated a reading of the ordinance indicates the c s not met.
Mr. Lyden stated the siding proposed for the pole barn h'ty than what is on
his house.
Mr. Rafferty asked if this will be an aluminum t . Lyden stated it is and
explained there is a 50 year warranty on th and materials. He advised of the
other quality aspects including the wainscmg . ; paint.
Mr. Rafferty commented on them he he has experienced with cedar siding
on his house and asked if this is mg someone interested in maintenance free
siding would consider.
Mr. Schilling asked ab
indicted he is not awar
and maintenance
of an EIFS, a plasterboard siding. Mr. Lyden
t siding material. Mr. Schilling stated the issues of quality
would be met with EIFS.
Mr. Lyden stated hi ain concern and reason for the variance request relates to the soils.
Ms. Lane noted the front of the structure will be visible from the street and asked if a
house -style of siding can be placed on the front elevation of the pole barn so it is more
attractive and better matches the house.
Mr. Lyden stated that may be a viable option and explained that his plans are to use a clay
colored siding and then reside the house next summer so it matches the pole barn.
Chair Schaps stated he is unable to vote to support this request tonight for the reasons he
stated. He suggested more investigation needs to be done on other siding treatments. He
noted that the Ordinance specifically states a prohibition to "corrugated siding and roof."
Mr. Lyden stated that term may be up for interpretation and he does not believe it refers
to the type of metal he is proposing.
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Mr. Schilling stated that he is also not able to vote in support of the request tonight but
believes there are other siding materials that could be considered that may be more
acceptable. Mr. Schilling noted there are also different types of footings and systems that
could address poor soil types.
Mr. Lyden stated he respects everyone's opinion and would like a vote taken tonight.
Mr. Corson asked where the septic system is located. Mr. Lyden stated his first pole barn
location choice would have been to the north, however, the septic system is on the north
side and he wanted to keep his options open in case he needs a new septic system.
Mr. Rafferty made a MOTION to recommend approval of the variance request of Chris
Lyden, 6275 Holly Drive, to construct a 34 -foot by 64 -foot pole barn on his 4.07 acres at
6275 Holly Drive based on the rationale that the variance criteria are met and conditioned
on the following:
1. Providing a minimum four foot concrete apron.
The motion was supported by Ms. Lane.
Ms. Lane noted her support for the varianc use e large amount of
undevelopable wetland that surrounds the 's property.
Mr. Corson asked Mr. Lyden to in ption of using EIFS which he believes
would improve the aesthetics of
Mr. Rafferty stated he has
potential for damage.
maintenance free mate
Rafferty stated h
vertical or horizon
product in use and does not support its use due to the
and the trend for construction in aluminum and
does not want to include a requirement for EIFS. Mr.
ieve it makes a difference whether the siding stripe is
Mr. Schilling stated "" I S is widely used, successfully, in many commercial structures.
He pointed out that metal siding will also dent and rust. Mr. Schilling noted there are
obvious direct ordinance regulations pertaining to the use of materials and the Board is
looking for a way to help Mr. Lyden. He stated he believes EIFS is a viable option so he
is unable to vote for the application without the inclusion of that requirement.
Mr. Corson asked about the option of using a rock or metal material on the bottom
portion of the structure with EIFS on the top portion.
Chair Schaps asked Mr. Rafferty if he believes this variance request meets all of the
criteria required in the ordinance for a variance consideration. Mr. Rafferty answered
affirmatively.
Motion failed 3 ayes (Lane, Rafferty, Zych), 3 nays (Corson, Schilling, Chair Schaps), 1
abstain (Johnson since he was not present for a portion of the discussion).
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Mr. Corson stated he voted against the motion since EIFS was not being considered as an
alternative.
B. Marvin Emly, 590 62°' Street, Variance
Staff presented the application by explaining Marvin Emly is requesting permission to
construct a 28 -foot by 32 -foot accessory building on his property at 590 62nd Street which
is zoned rural and consists of ten acres on the south side of 62nd Street containing his
home and four (4) accessory buildings. One of the buildings was damaged in a storm this
past summer and must be removed. Mr. Emly would like to replace it with the requested
building, however, the Zoning Ordinance allows only three (3) accessory buildings on a
parcel of property between ten and 20 acres in size.
Staff presented its analysis of the request, noting the need for
number of buildings and one from the section of the Ordin
nonconforming structures.
Staff reviewed the findings of fact that need to be
indicated staff does not believe this variance cr
not justify a hardship other than financial.
buildings and build one larger building th
Ordinance.
riances, one from the
ing to
ce consideration and
be et in this case since it does
ld remove the two accessory
e within the requirements of the
In response to Mr. Rafferty, M ined the grandfathered provision.
Mr. Zych asked if the two
stated he is not sure w
combined since they ar
applicant desire t
an be combined to make it acceptable. Mr. Smyser
unty would allow these two tax parcels to be
ated by 62nd Street. It may also cause a problem should the
the parcels.
Mr. Zych asked if t : oard can consider both parcels as if they were one parcel. Mr.
Smyser noted the ap icant has the right to sell the northern parcel which would leave this
structure existing on the southern parcel.
Discussion occurred regarding the options to attach the structures, possibly via a covered
walkway.
Mr. Smyser stated one possibility to avoid increasing the nonconformity is to construct
the new structure as attached to Building #2 with the middle building being removed.
Then it could be considered as one structure without increasing the nonconformity. Mr.
Smyser explained that square footage is not an issue.
Chair Schaps asked the applicant if he would like to make comment.
Marvin Emly, applicant, stated he can tie Buildings #2 and #4 together into one large
building but there is a distance between the two buildings.
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Mr. Rafferty asked Mr. Emly if it would meet his needs to combine Building #2 and the
structure to be torn down with an addition made to the western edge. He noted that
would allow the use of the existing slab. He asked about the distance between the vehicle
garage and house. Mr. Emly estimated 16 feet.
Mr. Rafferty asked if constructing a covered walkway would meet the ordinance
requirements. Mr. Smyser stated he is unable to answer that question but could ask the
Building Official about that option.
Mr. Rafferty asked Mr. Emly if the option he was suggesting would meet his needs. Mr.
Emly answered affirmatively.
Mr. Rafferty asked if that option would save money rather than to construct a new
structure (estimated at $8,000).
Mr. Schilling stated the construction costs may be less
integrity due to the load on the roof. Mr. Emly stated
contractor who explained how a bearing wall could
separate building would look better than one t
sues of structure
hat question with the
ed. He stated he thinks a
he ogether.
Mr. Rafferty asked if the front faces are . 4 4'ned r. Emly stated they are.
Chair Schaps reviewed the ordina
indicates that a structure legally
same size. Chair Schaps stat
reducing the number of b>
greater.
elating to grandfathered buildings which
time of the ordinance may continue at the
appropriate to decrease the nonconformity by
om four to three even if the net square footage is
Mr. Smyser agre t sire to not increase the nonconformity. He stated it may be
possible to work o ion without the need for a variance and suggested this
application be table the next meeting to allow staff more time to work with Mr. Emly
and design a plan tha 'does not violate the ordinance.
Mr. Emly stated he will ask the contractor about attaching to the building he had planned
to remove. Mr. Rafferty suggested the contractor also be asked about the option of
replacing the roof trusses even if it results in having to reshingle the roof.
Mr. Corson made a MOTION to table consideration of the variance request of Marvin
Emly to construct a 28 -foot by 32 -foot pole barn on his ten acres at 590 62nd Street to
allow staff and the applicant to further investigate other options, and was supported by
Mr. Johnson. Motion carried 7 -0.
IPC. Udor, 375 Apollo Drive, Site Plan Review
Staff presented the application by UDOR for an accessory storage building on their site.
The principal building approved in 1994 was originally 6,000 square feet and the City
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approved an addition of 2,400 square feet in July of 1999. One of the conditions of
approval was that two existing accessory buildings be removed prior to construction of
the new addition. However, that did not occur. The accessory building were built
without a building permit. Gordy Johnson of UDOR wants to replace one of the
accessory buildings with a new one.
Staff presented its analysis of the request, noting it has concluded that accessory buildings
are not allowed in the GI district under the current zoning ordinance. Under Minnesota
Statutes 15.99, if the City denies an application it must state in writing the reasons for the
denial at the time that it denies the application.
Mr. Smyser stated if the applicant agrees to an extension of the review period, an option
is available to apply for an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance to allow accessory
buildings in the Industrial Zone. Staff recommends the item be tabled if the applicant
agrees with an extension so that alternative can be researched ° myser estimated that
it may take two to three months to complete such an ordin.. am +ment.
Chair Schaps asked the applicant if he would like to
Gordy Johnson, applicant, stated that option is . ale t` i
Mr. Johnson asked why additional storag . Gordy Johnson reviewed the
history of this business, its growth, a o ldings were constructed. Discussion
occurred regarding the location an uildings.
Mr. Rafferty stated the Boar
recent past. He noted this
will result in beautific
Mr. Smyser revie
districts.
bout outdoor storage for equipment in the
is making an extra effort to construct something that
t rather than outdoor fenced storage.
discussion related to outdoor storage in other zoning
Mr. Rafferty asked i v is business area contains outdoor dumpsters. Gordy Johnson
stated dumpsters are everywhere in the Apollo Business Park and he even took pictures of
outdoor dumpsters and pallets last summer which he provided to staff.
Mr. Rafferty asked if there is a way to allow the applicant to construct an attached
addition. Gordy Johnson stated there is a separation due to the sprinkler connection for
the Fire Department, however, he may be able to find a way to connect the buildings.
Gordy Johnson stated his agreement to an extension of the review period.
Mr. Corson made a MOTION to table consideration of the site plan request of UDOR to
construct an accessory storage building on the UDOR site at 500 Apollo Drive to allow
for a separate application for an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance to be processed, and
was supported by Mr. Johnson. Motion carried 6 -0 -1 (Schilling due to his absence during
a portion of the discussion).
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Discussion occurred regarding options for connecting the structures, exterior building
materials, and need to involve the Fire Department to gain their input.
Mr. Smyser stated the zoning amendment will be on the January 10, 2000 Planning &
Zoning Board meeting agenda.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to recess at 8:03 p.m., and was supported by Mr. Johnson.
Motion carried 5 -0.
Chair Schaps called the meeting back to order at 8:12 p.m.
VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Saddle Club — Revised Concept Plan
Staff reviewed the Board's past consideration of the Sa
development and indication the plan did not justify t
compared to standard R -1 zoning. Staff advised th
concept plan that corresponds with standard zo
comparison of the two concept drawings
Staff identified the location of the
zoning change. It was noted staff
parcel is no longer split by MU
reduced number of lots and e
Drive that had been propo
Mr. Johnson asked if t
Smyser answered
no longer be conn
ch of a planned
ensity on the site
per has submitted a new
esented a summary
of the revised plan.
ea of the MUSA boundary and
d that be remedied so the single tax
. Staff noted the revised concept plan has a
road connecting Old Birch Street with Kildeer
he previous concept plan.
east comer of the subject site would be landlocked. Mr.
y and noted the location of existing trailways which would
the revised plan.
Chair Schaps noted t ere are trails all over Lino Lakes and asked why a trail is not being
proposed that is similar to the original concept plan. Mr. Smyser noted the lot boundaries
now extend to the edges of the plat so it would be difficult to create trails unless they are
located within the private property.
Mr. Rafferty noted the lots could be made less deep to accommodate trails.
Chair Schaps stated there is a need for open space.
Mr. Smyser noted the long length of the dead end street with the new concept plan and
need to extend utilities down Old Birch Street to serve this property. He pointed out the
location of the 500 -foot high tower on the neighboring property and issue raised with ice
loading as a potential danger. Mr. Smyser stated he contacted Shoreview and learned that
they require the tower owner to carry additional insurance should ice fall from the tower
and cause damage.
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In response to Ms. Lane, Mr. Smyser advised of consideration by the Park Board. Ms.
Lane suggested the new concept plan be presented to the Park Board so they can address
the open space issue.
John Hill, representing Heritage Development, stated they decided to extend the property
boundaries to encompass all of the property since a homeowners association was no
longer being considered. He stated the lot configuration can be reduced in depth as long
as it meets the R -1 depth requirement. Mr. Hill stated they had considered a conservation
easement.
Chair Schaps stated there will be open space behind the houses and he believes it would
be conducive to trails if the lot line boundaries are reduced somewhat. Mr. Hill stated
his impression that the extension of the lot lines would not exclude the creation of a trail.
With regard to the road connection, Mr. Hill noted that onl our lowould be created on
one side of the road so it is not financially feasible to co ruc e 0 foot roadway. He
noted that if lots were created on both sides of the ro • etla d would be greatly
impacted. Also, he has been unable to reach an un st ith the neighboring
property owner to purchase the additional prop o co modate a road connection.
Mr. Hill stated he does not think this exclu ction of a bridge for pedestrian
traffic or to dedicate park land.
Mr. Rafferty stated that he thinks
and out. He noted the new conc
remains concerned with the 1
concept plan. Mr. Raffert a
applicant's property.
developed to correct a single entrance in
sses the number of lots and lot sizes but he
ce the depths have doubled since the previous
it is possible to create a road (in and out) on the
Mr. Hill stated h d the property owner to the east with two letters and five
telephone calls bu , on is not interested in selling any portion of his property at
this time, however, ' t option may exist in the future.
Mr. Rafferty inquired regarding the impact on the adjoining property owner who has to
work with the location of where the road ends.
Mr. Powell stated the City would not support having the road dead -end within this project
and noted the watermain has to be looped through these lots. He stated that he assumes
the easement is contiguous with the Old Birch Street right -of -way. Mr. Hill answered
that it is contiguous.
Mr. Rafferty suggested that an exit to the east, within this development, would work
better or to connect it to Kildeer Drive. Mr. Powell agreed that a connection to Kildeer
Drive would work better, however, the applicant does not have control of that property
since it is outside of this project.
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Mr. Schilling thanked the applicant for addressing the density issue. He noted that at the
last meeting, he had suggested using the southern portion of the parcel as lower density
and the northern portion as a higher density which may make it financially feasible to
construct the road to the northeast corner.
Mr. Hill stated they did discuss that option and addressed whether the owners of nicer
homes to the south would want to drive through a higher density area, such as
townhomes, to get to their house. He stated with that scenario, it would have been closer
to financially feasible to construct that roadway connection to the northeast.
Mr. Johnson asked about the cost to the City to deal with the Old Birch Street access and
quality of pavement. Mr. Powell stated another consideration is the cost for utility
services on Old Birch Street. Staff would also have to consider whether the bituminous
surface of Old Birch Street can accommodate the additional traffic.
Mr. Hill stated they looked at alternatives to loop the street; foi no option due to the
location of wetlands.
Mr. Corson stated his support for Mr. Schilling's s e" place higher priced homes
to the south and the street being connected wit .� ' un facing it He added that
trails will be an important feature to includ
Mr. Hill stated the issue of trails is no r them. However, the property owner
to the east is an issue since additio r ` needed to make the roadway connection.
Mr. Powell stated the proper
easement is also needed.
Mr. Hill stated they wi
Schilling.
e east needs to be dealt with since a utility
at the alternative of blended units as suggested by Mr.
Mr. Smyser stated i pears the Board would like to see a compromise between the new
concept plan and a bl nded plan. He reviewed the alternatives available to the applicants
to submit another concept plan to the Board or to make a formal plat submittal.
Mr. Hill stated that due to time constraints, he would like to submit a formal plat as soon
as possible.
Mr. Rafferty asked Mr. Schilling if he is recommending a reduced lot width to
accommodate a blended plan. Mr. Schilling stated he is. Mr. Rafferty stated he would
not support that adjustment.
Mr. Hall stated the City Council did not look favorably at the smaller sized lots so they
• revised the plan to extend the lot boundary lines.
Mr. Smyser recommended the developer hold a neighborhood meeting. Mr. Hill stated
he will be in contact with staff.
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B. Dellwood LLC, Concept Plan
Staff reported it has been working with Dellwood LLC on a proposed retail development
in the northeast quadrant of the Lake Drive /I -35W interchange consisting of a Target
Superstore and six additional retail buildings. The project is still in the conceptual stage
and going through the Preservation Development informal review process. The
Environmental Board discussed the project at its last meeting.
Staff presented the project layout, noting it follows a standard, suburban retail
development model with a "big box" retail anchor (Target Superstore) and a number of
"satellite" retail locations. Other than the location of the extended Apollo Drive east of
Lake Drive, the project bears little relation to the Town Center design of Calthorpe that
has been the focus of discussion for some time.
Staff presented its analysis of the concept plan, noting the
work with the developer to incorporate desirable archit
acknowledging and accepting that the project depart
by the Calthorpe design for a traditional neighborh
Mr. Wessel reviewed staff's work with Del
Rehbein. He advised they have a fairly a
neighborhood meeting has been plan a-Et
reviewed the anticipated construct
to the Planning and Zoning Boa
it directed staff to
is while
rail vision represented
ent.
ho is purchasing the land from
construction schedule and a
eneral community input. Mr. Wessel
d considerations that will be presented
d of the consultants working on this project.
John Payton, Parsons Tra
city engineer. Mr. Pat
with a grocery store co
additional uses th
shop.
n Group introduced himself as a consultant and former
that a Target Superstore is like a Target Greatland
nt. He reviewed the square footage to be constructed and
eli, Crispy Cream Donuts, fast foot restaurant, and coffee
Mr. Payton reviewed ` ° eir work to address site enhancements to make it a more
pedestrian friendly environment including sidewalk concepts, main street theme,
architectural enhancements such as pavers and tree grates, and enhanced site lines. He
noted the location of existing trees, ponding areas, roadway alignment, and location of
screening opportunities. Mr. Payton addressed the existing sandy soil conditions and how
structures will be designed to allow water to permeate. He stated that in order to maintain
water runoff rates, a two pond NURP system will be developed to assure water quality
and quantity. He pointed out the wetland area that would accommodate the runoff
"bounce" prior to discharge. Mr. Payton stated a berm would be constructed to create a
water retainage area.
Mr. Payton pointed out the location of utilities that would serve this project. He
explained how the site would be graded and areas created for screening and berming. Mr.
Payton stated they will work with staff to address how to minimize the amount of storm
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water runoff. Mr. Payton stated they want to work with the Board to address their vision
and apply what they would like to see in this project.
Mr. Wessel stated the intention tonight is to open discussion on the fundamental issues of
this project. He explained how discussion had occurred which resulted in relocating the
Target Superstore closer to the freeway to create more of an entry area. He stated the City
is negotiating how the character of this project will have a connection with the Village
located to the south. Mr. Wessel noted this project will be more automobile oriented
when compared to the Village which will remain a mixed use concept and more
pedestrian oriented. He stated the development team will explore how to tie the
buildings, materials, and exterior elements so it "reads" as one Town Center and create a
unique identity. Mr. Wessel stated this is only the beginning of the discussion on this
project.
Mr. Payton stated their intention to bring in some of the elem
building with roof peaks and arched doorways. He noted t
provided to the front elevations, pointing out the Arche
and Target entrance on the left side. Mr. Payton rev
materials and their attempt to address elements on
desire to include features the City and commun d h
esent on the bank
tural relief being
ay on the right side
osed exterior building
scale. He stated their
to see.
Chair Schaps asked about potential tenan or t• ther retail space. Mr. Paton stated he
does not have that information.
Mr. Wessel stated the intent wo the entire project committed prior to
breaking ground. He sugges q ion be asked at the January meeting.
Ms. Lane asked about
their location, noting n
tape to the next
f other Target Superstores. Mr. Paton advised of
yet opened for business. He offered to bring a short video
e Board's review.
Mr. Rafferty raised option of designing an entrance through the center of the parking
lot with a tree -lined .''`omenade to create a "grand entrance" feature. Mr. Paton stated
they will bring a Target architect to a Board meeting to explain the interior working
features and circulation.
Mr. Rafferty stated he is suggesting a parking lot entrance, not necessarily a center
building entrance. Mr. Payton reviewed the alignment of Apollo Drive and how that
suggestion would result in a change of focus from Apollo Drive into the parking lot. He
stated it may be possible to incorporate plantings into the southern portion of the parking
lot to create a tree lined entrance feature.
Chair Schaps asked if other communities have asked for this level of site and building
• enhancements. Mr. Payton stated they have not except for the front elevation relief.
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Mr. Schilling asked about the thought process to place the Target building closer to the
residential area. Mr. Payton stated there were site issues, screening from the driveway
activity, and light fixtures.
Ms. Lane asked if it would be a 24 -hour operation. Mr. Payton stated it is not.
Ms. Lane asked how large the grocery component would be. Mr. Payton stated it would
be 35,000 to 40,000 square feet.
Chair Schaps inquired regarding the community response. Mr. Payton stated he has
presented this concept plan to the Planning and Zoning Board, City Council, and
Environmental Board and they are looking forward to the upcoming community meeting
scheduled for Wednesday, December 20, 2000. Mr. Powell explained it will be an open
house format between the developer and residents.
Mr. Wessel stated the Target Superstore concept has been
and the concern has been to maintain the architectural i
C. Town Center Update
d by the Council
e Town Center.
Staff noted that the large project in the port t of the Town Center (Target
Superstore) was not designed as a traditio :' nei; •orhood development with mixed uses
but, rather, is a standard suburban ret • o. •r nt. Staff stated the Town Center
vision and design standards will b -, ` . e Council at an upcoming workshop
and that information can also be r • e Planning and Zoning Board.
Mr. Smyser advised that t
grant rather than the re
has resulted in the upc
ommunities Committee is recommending a $450,000
million grant for implementing the Village Plan. This
discussion of the City's goals and vision.
Mr. Rafferty stres aff has worked hard to put this product together and the
Metropolitan Coun lso stressed an urgency to assure funds are available for this
project. He restated at staff did an excellent job and he would support staff's continued
work toward those ideas.
D. Tree Ordinance Update
Chair Schaps offered his assistance with the proposed Tree Ordinance.
Mr. Smyser thanked Chair Schaps for that offer and stated he has requested copies of tree
ordinances from additional cities and will be study ways to address the issues raised by
the Planning and Zoning Board.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Ms. Lane stated she will not be present at the January 10, 2001 meeting.
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Mr. Corson made a MOTION to adjourn the meeting at 9:42 p.m., and was supported by
Mr. Schilling. Motion carried 7 -0.
Respectfully submitted,
Carla Wirth, Recording Secretary
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