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Planning & Zoning Board
September 8, 1999
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CITY OF LINO LAKES
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD MINUTES
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
STAFF PRESENT
September 8 199
6.38 P.M.
. 8:06 P.M.
Johnson, Corson, Dunn, Lane, Schilling and
Carlson
Schaps
: Planning Coordinator, Nyland; City Planner,
Smyser ; Public Services Director DeGardner
I. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Acting Chair Lane called the Lino Lakes Planning o oard meeting to order at
6:38 p.m., September 8, 1999.
• II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - August
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Ms. Carlson made a MOTION to . . • : e nutes of the August 11, 1999 meeting of
the Lino Lakes Planning & Zo : d = eting, as presented, and was supported by
Mr. Johnson. Motion carries
III. APPROVAL OF AG
Ms. Carlson mad
of the Lino Lakes
Motion carried, 6 -0.
to approve the agenda of the September 8, 1999 meeting
& Zoning Board, and was supported by Mr. Schilling.
IV. OPEN MIKE
No one was present for open mike.
V. ACTION ITEMS
A. Pierre and Norma Nadeau, 6644 20th Avenue, Minor Subdivision
Ms. Wyland presented the staff report and explained that Pierre and Norma Nadeau, 6644
20th Avenue, are requesting a minor subdivision to create two parcels. Tract A would be
66.97 acres in size and Tract B would be 10 acres in size and contain the existing
homestead. The property is zoned Rural and indicated as Rural in the existing
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Comprehensive Plan. The "Draft" Comprehensive Plan guides this area for Low
Density/Medium Density Residential and Medium Density Residential along 35E. Ms.
Wyland advised that a trunk waterline exists on 20th Avenue.
Ms. Wyland explained the Nadeaus would like to retain their existing homestead and sell
the balance of the property for future development. She advised staff has reviewed the
request and finds the proposed subdivision meets the requirements of the Zoning
Ordinance. She described the lot width requirements and requirement of Anoka County
for the dedication of additional right -of -way along 20th Avenue (County Road 54). Ms.
Wyland recommended the final survey document include this additional right -of -way and
provide a ten -acre parcel exclusive of right -of -way. Ms. Wyland stated staff recommends
approval subject to three conditions.
Pierre Nadeau, petitioner, stated he believed Tract B would be sold within three years.
With regard to the requirement for additional right -of -way, h that would be taken
care of during the final plat.
Acting Chair Lane explained that decision is with A
Mr. Corson inquired whether Anoka County h
Wyland stated that is correct and whenever
provided with the information for their re
County has made this recommendatio
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION
au ority in this regard. Ms.
is a County Road, the County is
recommendation. In this case, Anoka
al right -of -way.
e _ ` minor subdivision for Pierre and Norma
Nadeau, 6644 20th Avenue, to;. ditions as follows:
1. A document is pre , s pplicant dedicating the required additional right -of-
way to Anoka Cou the future reconstruction of 20th Avenue (Co. Rd. 54).
2. The Survey , • en a� icate a 10 -acre parcel for Tract B which is exclusive of any
road right -of-
3. Park Dedication y?, `assumed collected on the existing homestead, Park Dedication on
the remaining Tr t A shall be deferred until future development occurs.
and was supported by Mr. Corson. Motion carried 6 -0.
Ms. Wyland stated this will go to the Council on Monday, September 27, 1999.
B. Sue Walseth, 6408 Cassiopeia Court, Variance
Ms. Wyland presented the staff report and explained that Sue Walseth, 6408 Cassiopeia
Court, is constructing a new home on the northeast corner of Holly Drive and Cassiopeia
Court. Ms. Walseth has an above ground pool and a large dog so she is requesting a
variance to place a six foot high privacy fence in her rear yard and side lot line (Holly
Drive) to approximately the front of the house. Ms. Wyland presented the language of
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the Zoning Ordinance and explained the Ordinance prohibits the construction of a six foot
fence from the setback line of the adjoining home on Holly Drive and also along Holly
Drive to the front of the house. The Ordinance would allow a fence of no more than four
feet in height.
Ms. Wyland explained that in reviewing this variance request, staff reviewed the Anoka
County site /distance guidelines which, if used in considering this request, would support
the intent of the Ordinance requirement limiting the fence height to four feet. She stated
staff also considered the variance requirements and have concluded that a variance to
allow a six -foot privacy fence in this location would not meet the required Findings of
Fact.
Ms. Wyland noted the adjoining hobby farm and possible compromise to allow the
construction of a six foot high fence on the rear property line to match the existing six
foot fence on the east side of 1101 Holly Drive which was co red to screen the
Trappers Crossing Development from 1101 Holly Drive. staff would not
support a six -foot fence within the County site /distance
Ms. Wyland presented pictures submitted by the ap er fences and clarified
that in all cases, the fences depicted meet Cod- �� i en She advised that Chair
Schaps was unable to attend tonight but di orandum indicating his support
for staff's recommendation of denial base • ationale the request does not meet the
five criteria necessary for a variance. . also indicated in his memorandum
that granting a variance would con . `�4 :` seth a privilege which has been denied
to other landowners similarly si a
Upon inquiry, Ms. Wylan
Mr. Schilling asked if
fence. Ms. Wyl
within that locatio
e pool is above ground and does not require fencing.
ommendation within the site triangle was a four -foot high
t would be an option since it would not restrict visibility
Ms. Carlson asked a'`.ut the location of the trail. Ms. Wyland stated it was within the
right -of -way of Holly Drive and remains debatable as to which side it would be
constructed.
Acting Chair Lane stated she sees some privacy issues depending on the location of the
trail.
Sue Walseth, applicant, presented a site plan of her property and proposed fence location.
She noted the distance of that location to the traffic is 70 feet and the fence location is not
abutting the corner of the property. She stated that the intersection contains a stop sign
and a clear view would be present with a six -foot high fence. Ms. Walseth stated the
adjoining property is at an elevation of 914 feet with a large ditch. She stated her fence
would be one foot lower than the hill and she would prefer the side fence, if she had to
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make a choice. Ms. Walseth noted the traffic direction and that her windows face
eastward which provides a view of traffic and vehicle lights. Thus, the request for a six -
foot privacy fence in the front yard.
Ms. Walseth stated there is only about 200 feet of straight roadway when coming from
the cul -de -sac so the speed of vehicles would not be that great when approaching this
intersection. She presented statistics she found on the Mn/DOT website regarding sight
distances and sight triangles. She presented this information with colored graphs
depicting sight triangles required for various vehicle speeds.
Ms. Walseth stated the rear elevation results in a pool location near the front, by Holly
Drive. She stated that with the vehicular and pedestrian traffic, a privacy fence is needed.
Ms. Walseth commented on the anticipated increase in traffic based on surrounding
development and stated there is a need for a buffer. She explained she purchased this
corner lot due to the lower cost and had always planned to fe g Holly Drive. Ms.
Walseth stated she was surprised when she learned of the f tion. She presented
colored pictures of other fences in Lino Lakes (as prevt d by Ms. Wyland).
Ms. Walseth stated the person buying the existing
request. She stated there are only eight houses
and responsible drivers so they would not s
does not believe the proposed fence woul
elevations of the property.
s no objection to her
eig orhood, all with families,
this intersection. She stated she
arge of an obstruction, given the
Mr. Schilling asked if it would . . e enclose just the pool with a fence rather
than the property. Ms. Wals •_- would prefer more privacy than that would
afford. Mr. Schilling note. t +uld be an option.
Mr. Schilling asked if
the ordinance do
be impeded. How
inance makes reference to elevations. Ms. Wyland stated
antings with reference to elevations and the area that cannot
would not apply to this property.
Ms. Wyland noted th setback requirement from the pool requiring it not be located
within any required front or side yard setback. On this lot, the setback on Holly Drive is
40 feet.
Ms. Walseth stated she was not supported in her efforts to have the site graded to
eliminate the hill or to save the trees that existed.
Ms. Carlson stated she believed the trail was the main issue for invasion of privacy and
asked how far it would be from the property line. Ms. Walseth stated the trail had been
approved at the park level and would be located in the right -of -way. Ms. Wyland stated
the Building Inspector had agreed to an encroachment to allow the fence to be placed up
to the property line so a future trail may be one to two feet from the fence, if so located.
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Ms. Walseth stated there are a lot of pedestrians along Holly Drive, as well as bicyclers
and joggers. She stated her garage is on the opposite side of the lot so her house is close
to the roadway. Ms. Walseth stated there is no berm or natural plantings to provide a
buffer or screening, even though she had requested it from the developer.
Mr. Corson stated the applicant has good reasons for this request but the Board needs to
be consistent with prior standing. He noted that last week someone wanted a variance he
would have liked to support. However, if granted it would weaken the ordinance. Mr.
Corson stated if the Planning & Zoning Board is supportive of this application, they
should recommend the Council amend the ordinance to make it allowable.
Ms. Walseth stated she is only trying to gain some privacy.
Acting Chair Lane asked Ms. Walseth if a variance for a six -foot fence along the east side
would help. Ms. Walseth stated she would prefer the fence a _ olly Drive to buffer
the house from the traffic.
Acting Chair Lane asked if a five -foot high fence w
stated it would be better than a four -foot fence but
be a special order height. She advised the esti
over $6,000 and will look nice with landsc
ble. Ms. Walseth
expensive since it might
the fencing (as proposed) is
Mr. Dunn stated he has empathy for t � � a. • ;; d other similar requests but the
decisions was clearly made by the o $ Planning & Zoning Board, supported by
staff and the City Council, that " a -s • eliminated and no longer be allowed. He
stated he finds this distressfu + ata. the decision made by the majority of the
Planning & Zoning Board n cil on a recent application.
Mr. Dunn stated that h d that each case is unique upon itself. However, the
Council, on advi wyer, determined it would set a precedent and could not be
approved. Mr. Du � ��. that until the staff and Council takes a different posture, there
is not much that can done. He again stated he believed every lot is different and
unique so he would a stain from the vote on this matter. Mr. Dunn stated he has
difficulty accepting staffs conclusion that this request "does not meet the Findings of
Fact." He stated he finds there to be a shortfall in the process for variance consideration
and believed this should be remedied. Mr. Dunn stated he does not have adequate
information to make this decision and believed there were other six -foot high fences in
Lino Lakes.
Ms. Carlson stated she does not agree with Mr. Dunn that no variances are allowed
because in order to grant a variance, five Findings of Fact are considered. With this case,
the five Findings of Fact are not met. However, there are concerns becoming more
prominent in Lino Lakes with the expansion of the trail system. She stated the trails are
wonderful for transportation of pedestrians but they do impact resident's privacy. Ms.
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Carlson stated there had been cul -de -sac locations where trails were not extended due to
concern with loss of property rights and privacy.
Ms. Carlson stated that she can see the ordinance needs to be changed. She noted that
while fencing for the pool is not an issue, fencing for the dog is an issue. Ms. Carlson
stated she also believed that fencing along the trails is an issue so she would abstain from
this decision.
Mr. Schilling stated he supports a compromise to allow a six -foot high fence in the back
yard and a four -foot fence in the side yard.
Acting Chair Lane made a MOTION to recommend approval of the variance request for
Sue Walseth, 6408 Cassiopeia Court, to allow a six foot high fence where allowed and
because of the trail and low lot elevation, to allow the balance of the privacy fence to be
five feet in height where it should be four feet in height.
A second to the motion was not offered. Thus, the mot
Mr. Corson made a MOTION to recommend denia t nce request, Sue Walseth,
6408 Cassiopeia Court, based on the rationale t es t meet the five required
Findings of Fact and to recommend that th ; .! a amended, and was supported by
Mr. Johnson.
Acting Chair Lane stated she conc unn that not allowing any variances is
too stringent for property owners eved a hardship exists.
Mr. Corson cautioned abo shing a precedent.
Mr. Dunn stated he sti
and if a variance
is made, then he
tains that every lot is unique since none are the same shape
d appropriate and been granted, and an exact same request
ort granting it again.
Mr. Smyser stated th with the last variance being mentioned, staff stated unequivocally
they did not support the variance. He clarified that in his conversation with Mr. Dunn he
had indicated that if the Zoning Ordinance was to be changed it could be brought to
Council but it would not happen in the immediate future since the Comprehensive Plan is
not yet in place. He advised that staff has been told numerous times at Council work
sessions to not piecemeal ordinance changes. He stated this is the direction from the
City's elected officials so staff would not recommend a single change to a single chapter
until the Comprehensive Plan issue is resolved.
Mr. Dunn stated he did not use the word "opposed" and advised that Ms Wyland had
previously indicated to him that staff felt no urgency to deal with this issue. He clarified
he never said "opposed" and unless a lot of the ordinance is changed, the Comprehensive
Plan has no impact on what is being discussed tonight.
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Mr. Smyser agreed.
Motion failed 2 ayes (Corson and Johnson), 2 nays (Schilling and Lane), and 2 abstained
(Carlson and Dunn).
Mr. Smyser stated this application will move forward to the City Council without a
recommendation.
Ms. Wyland stated this will go to the Council on Monday, September 27, 1999.
C. PUBLIC HEARING, Majestic Pines Community Church (no additional
information, hearing to be continued)
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to continue the hearing and w
Mr. Dunn stated he believed the Planning & Zoning Bo
Friday to Wednesday to handle this delicate situatio
injustice is done to the community to attempt to an
that the letter from Mr. Hawkins be provided t
Motion carried 6 -0.
Mr. Smyser advised the applicant
neighborhood meeting in about
will receive an invitation to t
orted by Mr. Corson.
e time than from
personally feels an
a day or two. He asked
be copied for the Council.
d indicated they have scheduled a
e stated Planning & Zoning Board members
D. PUBLIC HE Thumb (item temporarily withdrawn by
applicant)
Acting Chair Lane` . �� e public hearing at 7:35 p.m.
VI. DISCUSSION ITE S
A. Community Athletic Complex - Rick DeGardner
Mr. Smyser presented a drawing depicting the location of the proposed athletic complex
site. He explained the City has the opportunity to acquire 60 acres for a new athletic
complex at the southeast corner of Birch Street and Centerville Road. Mr. Smyser noted
the conceptual drawing which was prepared to identify the uses that could be
accommodated (in draft concept form).
Mr. Smyser recommended the Planning & Zoning Board support the concept of the
athletic complex at the location indicated, contingent upon public discussion and more
detailed analysis being conducted in the near future.
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Mr. DeGardner presented a brief background report, starting with the creation of an ad
hoc committee which determined several complex sites. He explained the study for a
southern complex site was then initiated by the City Council in 1993. Mr. DeGardner
noted the five sites that were identified and the preferred site which was located on Holly
Drive and County Road J. He explained that staff was authorized to pursue property
acquisition. However, that was not accomplished so staff looked at additional sites and
based on staff's current review and findings of the ad hoc committee, the Montain
property was selected.
Mr. DeGardner noted the acreage on the northern boundary that would be retained by Mr.
Montain for a future home location and five additional acres on the southern portion that
could also be acquired. He presented the design constraints staff has addressed including
a power line and wetlands. He advised this is a concept plan that identifies the uses that
would fit into a site of this size. Prior to proceeding, additio t would be obtained
from residents and the consultant. He advised that a traffic Id also be
conducted to determine traffic impacts.
Mr. DeGardner stated a benefit of this site is the li
purchase price, good access from County road
presented a resident survey indicating 62%
an athletic complex. He noted the outst
tight recreational facilities that curren
the heavy use of neighborhood par
Mr. DeGardner presented fi
If a bonding referendum i
development.
ding development,
ora e soil conditions. He
yed support the development of
ort of athletic associations and the
o, an athletic complex would eliminate
ed activities.
s which could include a future bonding issue.
essful, the property could then be offered for
Mr. Corson state oncern is the traffic impact and poor condition of the
roadway. He aske , • .. trooms would be accommodated. Mr. DeGardner stated
portable satellites d be used until utilities are available. At that point, restroom
facilities could be co sidered. He agreed with the impact of traffic with such an athletic
complex. He stated if the direction of the City is not to have an athletic complex, staff
would design neighborhood parks differently to accommodate additional usage.
In response to Mr. Corson, Mr. DeGardner stated staff would have to address possible
trail connections.
Mr. Johnson noted a proposed church location to the south which would also be a traffic
generator. He asked about Anoka County's long range plans for road improvements. Mr.
DeGardner stated Anoka County has indicated they would be requesting additional right -
of -way to make lane improvements. He noted these issues would be addressed in the
traffic study. Mr. DeGardner stated he is unable to anticipate a time schedule for the
development of an athletic complex but would not expect it to occur before 2003.
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Mr. Johnson stated the City needs to be sensitive to what occurs within this corridor. Mr.
DeGardner concurred and noted this location is a central location but does not impact a
large established residential area.
Ms. Carlson pointed out that this plan appears to produce less traffic than the uses
proposed in the Comprehensive Plan for commercial and multiple housing. Mr.
DeGardner concurred.
Acting Chair Lane agreed that the church would generate traffic but only occasionally and
mostly during Sunday mornings. Mr. DeGardner stated they do not often program City
park activities on Sunday mornings.
Mr. Johnson stated his understanding is that the proposed church would be multi -use.
Mr. Dunn stated staff has asked the Board to indicate if the •po the concept of the
athletic complex. He noted there have been multiple q �aton� but conceptually he
believed this offered a wonderful opportunity for Li property prices would
only continue to soar. He stated his 100% support i •u� is parcel and work
towards the development of an athletic comple � e . to e challenge will be if
residents are willing to pay for this comple c.may if the mill rate is reduced.
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Mr. Dunn noted there are not many other at would be suitable for this type of
use.
Mr. Schilling stated he also sup
mplex 100% and believed there was a
need. He agreed that this is •pl: unity.
Mr. Johnson stated his
Acting Chair Lan d annot envision Lino Lakes without such a facility. She
stated she is thrille perty became available and fully supports its purchase.
Mr. Corson agreed th time has come for this type of facility.
Ms. Carlson agreed and stated her appreciation to the property owner for being willing to
sell the property for this use.
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to declare the Board's hearty endorsement for the
development of an athletic complex on the Montain property, and was supported by Ms.
Carlson. Motion carried 6 -0.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to adjourn the meeting at 8:06 p.m., and was supported by
Mr. Corson. Motion carried 6 -0.
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Respectfully Submitted,
Carla Wirth, Recording Secretary
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