HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/13/1999 P&Z Minutes•
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 1
CITY OF LINO LAKES
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD MINUTES
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
STAFF PRESENT
• October 13, 1999
6•30 P.M.
: 8.20 P.M.
Johnson, Corson, Dunn, Schaps, Schilling, Lane,
and Carlson
: None
:.- Planning Coordinator, Wyland; City Planner,
Smyser; City Engineer, Powell
I. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Chair Schaps called the Lino Lakes Plann' ni oard meeting to order at 6:30
p.m., October 13, 1999.
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - S ,1999
Ms. Carlson made a MOTI
1999, meeting of the Li
Lane. Motion carried
III. APPROVAL 0
pro the presented minutes of the September 8,
lanning & Zoning Board, and was supported by Ms.
r Schaps abstaining.
Chair Schaps advise hat Action Item VA will be addressed after Action Items VB and
VC.
The agenda was approved as presented.
V. OPEN MIKE
Chair Schaps declared open mike open at 6:35.
No one was present for open mike.
Mr. Corson moved to close open mike, and was supported by Mr. Schilling. Motion
carried 7 -0.
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 2
VI. ACTION ITEMS
B. Johnson/Killey, 261 & 271 Elm Streit, Minor Subdivision
Mr. and Mrs. Johnson currently own the property at 261 Elm Street which consists of a
108' x 208' parcel containing their home and a 56' x 216' parcel to the north of their
home. They would like to transfer the east 56' x 108' of this parcel to the Killey's. The
proposed conveyance would provide for two parcels, each consisting of a 108' x 264'
parcel.
Staff recommended approval of this minor subdivision based on conditions.
\\Mr. Johnson asked about the 1/2 foot discrepancy in the property. Staff advised the
discrepancy is a private matter that will be settled by the own
Mr. Bob Killey, 271 Elm Street, stated his attorney has
was given to the County. The 1/2 foot discrepancy w
He added that the transaction took place a year ago
across.
description that
d into both parcels.
ots even all the way
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to approv subdivision based on the following
conditions:
1. The proposed subdivision sh
d with Anoka County.
2. The newly described p c 1 1 be combined for tax purposes with new Property
Identification Number is ',.,_ that combine Parcel 0011 with the west 108 feet of
Parcel 0023 and Parce ith the east 108 feet of Parcel 0023.
The MOTION wa
d by Ms. Carlson. Motion carried 7 -0.
C. City of Lino takes, Montain & Molitor Property, 6510 Centerville Road and
6410 Centerville Road, Minor Subdivision to facilitate future recreation complex
The City of Lino Lakes is processing this minor subdivison as the applicant on behalf of
the Montain's and the Molitor's. The minor subdivision is required to facilitate the City's
purchase of property for a future community recreation complex at the south east corner
of Birch Street and Centerville Road. The property in question is zoned rural and
indicated as such on the existing Land Use Plan.
The proposal is to purchase approximately 60 acres of property from the Montain family
leaving a 10 acre parcel containing their homestead. Additionally, the City would
purchase five (5) of the 6.6 acre Molitor parcel. The balance of 1.6 acres would be added
to their existing homesite of 1.4 acres for a total of 3 acres. Right -of -way for the future
•
•
•
•
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 3
reconstruction of Centerville Road and Birch Street will be dedicated from the Montain
parcel to Anoka County. The City is not requiring dedication of right -of -way from the
Molitor parcel due to the fact that the property to be split does not front on Centerville
Road.
Staff recommended approval of the subdivision request with conditions.
Ms. Lane made a MOTION to approve minor subdivision based on the following
conditions:
1. 27' of right -of -way is dedication from the Montain property for the future
reconstruction of Centerville Road and Birch Street as indicated on the submitted survey
document.
2. The remaining 1.6 acre parcel on the Molitor parcel is ad eir existing homesite
for a total of 3 acres.
3. The City Council approve the purchase agreeme t 6 + cre Montain parcel and
the 5 acre Molitor parcel for a future community re at plex.
• The MOTION was supported by Mr. Schil
Mr. Dunn stated he would like to see
development of the complex.
Motion carried 7 -0.
ental Board be involved in the
A. PUBLIC HE bill Ponds, (former Lichtscheidl Estate), Main
Street, Preliminary P
Staff advised Heri opment has submitted an application for a preliminary plat.
The site is on the so side of Main Street across from Wood Duck Trail and Blue Bill
Lane. It is in the exi mg MUSA. Staff referred to a table which indicates land use and
zoning for the site and surrounding land.
The site include 35 acres. The proposed plat would create 72 single family lots.
Wetlands cover approximately two acres. Gross density would be 2.06 units per acre.
Net density, subtracting the wetlands, would be 2.18
The lots, blocks, and right -of -way widths meet City requirements. However, there are
numerous issues that need to be addressed.
Staff reviewed the preliminary plat analysis in detail. Staff recommended the public
hearing be continued to allow the applicant to redesign the plat and supply additional
information to address the outstanding issues.
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 4
Chair Schaps declared the public hearing open at 6:45 p.m.
Mr. Johnson asked about the street going east in the concept plan. Staff advised the street
was shown to give an idea where the street could continue to. The City has no intention
of condemning property to put a street through.
Mr. Johnson asked about the street going northeast in Highland Meadows. Staff
indicated that street may not be part of the plat. Revisions are being made to Highland
Meadows. A connection is needed from Highland Meadows to Main Street.
Mr. Dunn stated the plan is too premature to take action. He stated he wants a better
understanding of the traffic patterns out of both subdivisions and on Main Street. He
stated the City should develop a way to curtail vehicles cutting through residential areas.
Mr. Bill Frogner, 475 Lois Lane, stated he has lived on his
stated there is a culvert under Main Street that has no o
to handle the excess water.
Chair Schaps advised the drainage plan has no
r 20 years. He
d how the City plans
Mr. Tim Anderson, 547 Lois Lane, came <Mnd stated he moved here in 1988 for
the open space. There are many large s;`ea and the 1/4 acre lots are a horrible
concept that doesn't fit into the ne . • `fig •o• " e stated there isn't a wetland or tree
replacement plan and hopes this e re vision for Lino Lakes. He continued
stating he is not against deve t •$ ;.• evelopment should be at a lesser density. He
asked about the possibilit •". its if the easement is not granted on the south side so
future subdivision ther
Mr. Brian David,
values in the area
reet, stated that if City water and sewer come all property
fected. He suggested the MUSA boundary be expanded.
Ms. Debbie Waldock 559 Lois Lane, distributed a petition signed by residents that are
against the proposed development. She asked that the City protect them from the builder
land locking their property. It was indicated that eventually a road would come in behind
these lots and residents would be able to subdivide their property. All property owners
were told that the development was designed to construct a road behind their homes.
The petition was officially entered into the record.
Mr. Daryl Cooper, 8125 Wood Duck Trail, stated the road cannot handle the number of
families proposed in the development. The City sewer will affect all property values. He
stated he is not against higher density but against the traffic problems that will occur from
higher density. He suggested 1.5 acre lots. He stated that land locking is also a big issue.
He added that not all residents in the area were notified of the neighborhood meeting.
•
•
•
•
•
•
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 5
Mr. Rich Matzke, 482 Main Street, stated he is concerned about the cost of City sewer
because he owns 5 acres. He stated the noise and traffic on Main Street is a big concern
also. He stated the number of homes in the plan is too large for the area. There are Oak
trees over 100 years old that should be saved. The park should be more centralized. If
the road is widened 27' there will be even more problems. The school being located
where it is should also be considered. He added that he would like to see the area zoned
commercial.
Mr. Al Robinson, 8299 4th Avenue, stated the size of the lots are due to the cost of
developing the lots. Larger lots cost more to do because of the cost of sewer and water.
Residents do not have to hook up to City sewer and water if they don't want to. He stated
his main concern is the drainage in the area. Also, access will be limited on Main Street
and the County may ask for a service road. He asked if the School District is aware of the
development plan. He asked that the lots be 2 acre lots.
Staff advised the School District is aware of the potent or ment.
Mr. David came forward again and stated that if 27
expansion he will lose his house. There are m
development needs to slow down in that ar
n for the highway
dren on that street and
Mr. Dave Bombeck, 626 Main Street is concerned about the planned roads
being tied to future development. ong in the future before the roads are
developed and where will they . - ? r :' a he supports the other's concerns regarding
overcrowding in the area. e ; oncern of the location of the parks and
additional traffic in areas +s play. The City sewer and water assessments are also
a concern.
Mr. Tim Rehbine
he is in litigation
property will happe
treet, stated he is not opposed to development. He stated
operty. He asked how to insure that a dead end road at his
Staff advised that this plan will change significantly. The City has many dead end roads
that are temporary until the property owner decides to develop.
Mr. Neil Benjamin, 466 Main Street, stated he has always had a water problem on his
property. Drainage is a real issue. Another concern is the fact that no one has been able
to maintain a street in front of or over the ditch. Every winter the road is ruined. Traffic
in that area is already very dangerous and a problem.
Mr. Robinson stated the crossing over the ditch was never installed correctly. The culvert
was not excavated with the proper material. He stated the ditch needs to be cleaned and
upgraded.
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 6
Ms. Danna Cross, 8025 Wood Duck Trail, stated she is concerned about the traffic also.
She asked that all residents be notified of the next neighborhood meeting. She stated the
Church is under great pressure to cooperate with the developer. Any additional traffic on
Main Street will be a problem.
Mr. Frogner stated there are beautiful woods in that area that need to be saved.
Mr. Robert Reinertson, 439 Main Street, stated that traffic is already a big problem. He
stated that his kids are not allowed anywhere near the street. The cross walks for the
schools were taken out and added to the problem.
Mr. Fred Rodman, Pastor of House of Praise Church, stated he has been in contact with
the developer. He stated that a cross road at Wood Duck trail would be appropriate. The
Church has not yet made a final decision and negotiations continue. He indicated he
believes that a deal can be worked out but doesn't want to be ed.
Mr. Dave Heller, representative for Heritage Develop st� plan is flexible to
be able to address the concerns of the residents. Not
ve been addressed.
Chair Schaps stated the plan is not ready. He s s z th- eveloper have another
neighborhood meeting. The Planning and cannot ignore the comments of
the neighborhood.
Mr. Schilling added that he also e
true attempt be made at hearing
early to act on.
ghborhood meeting. He asked that a
g the issues of residents. The plan is too
Chair Schaps stated he li see at least 1/2 acre lots. The problems on Main
Street are a carbon cop rch Street relating to traffic. Adding this many homes in
this area is not fe age is also an issue that has not been addressed. He stated
the developer sho ith City staff regarding the road that was intended to go in on
the south end.
Staff advised they will research the proposed road noting this is the first time he has seen
residents that want a road. He added that the property is zoned R -1 and in the MUSA
boundary. The developer has the right to develop property at a minimum of 10,000
square feet per lot. The City cannot require larger lots.
Chair Schaps added that he would like to see a useable park built into the plat. The park
should be large enough to support the number of houses being developed.
Mr. Dunn suggested the property be changed to R -1X resulting in larger lots and higher
priced homes. The lot sizes need to balance with the lots that are in the area. Fewer
homes would allow for less traffic and more room for a park. He stated this proposal is
not reasonable.
Planning & Zoning Board
October 13, 1999
Page 7
Mr. Johnson stated the traffic on Main Street will steadily increase with or without the
development. Main Street is going to be a major road. He stated that the drainage is a
regional problem and a solution is needed. He asked how the drainage will be affected in
Highland Meadows and who pays for the improvements to the ditch. He agreed that the
density should be lower and suggested a cluster design.
Staff advised the drainage is a regional problem. The Highland Meadows development
has been split regarding drainage. A portion of the development drains to the southeast.
The City charges developers for drainage issues and improvements.
Ms. Lane stated cluster housing is a good option. She stated drainage and traffic is a
major concern. The residents have very valid concerns. The plan needs more work. She
added that the City needs an east/west roadway north of 694.
Mr. Corson added that traffic is an issue that isn't going to
uickly. Main Street
is a major concern and drainage should be looked at as ' • lem.
Ms. Carlson requested staff provide information of u for Main Street and the
proposed road on the south end of the subdivis' as d if there are any traffic
control plans made by the school relating is • acre:' She stated the County needs to
address the danger of Main Street. She r vironmental Board's comments
relating to this project. She stated th ,�� a� a preservation development that is
being developed. She asked for cod` the developer to resolve all issues.
Chair Schaps stated the deve
need to be patient and cou
needs to be found. Th
that access on Wood
right to develop. The residents and developer
here are concerns on both sides and middle ground
eeds to continue working with the Church. He noted
ail would be much more acceptable to the Board.
VI. DISCUSSION I
A. Site Plan Resew - relocated structures (garages)
Staff advised the City occasionally receives requests from property owners to move
structures into the City. In the past the City has required a site plan review for any
relocated structure whether a single family dwelling or a detached accessory building
larger that 120 square feet in size. Staff read the section of ordinance that pertains to this
situation.
Staff advised they believe the section of the ordinance could be interpreted to apply only
to a "vacant lot ". Therefore, a developed site, already containing a single family home,
may not apply. When a request involves a relocated garage, staff would still require a
building permit and inspection by the building department to insure compliance with
applicable building codes. However, staff would prefer to eliminate the site plan review
Planning & Zoning Board
Octoberl3, 1999
Page 8
process including the application fee (which is in addition to the building permit) and the
time delay of a site plan review before P & Z and Council.
Staff asked Board members for their direction concerning this interpretation.
It was the consensus of the Planning & Zoning Board members to accept staff's
interpretation of the ordinance.
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to accept staff's ordinance interpretation, and was
supported by Ms. Lane. Motion carried 7 -0.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Johnson made a MOTION to adjourn the meeting at 8:20 p.m., and was supported
by Mr. Corson. Motion carried 7 -0.
Respectfully Submitted,
Kim Points, Recording Secretary
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
•
•
•