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PLANNING AND ZONING FEBRUARY 10, 1988
Chairman Dave Cody called to order the regular meeting of
the Lino Lakes Planning and Zoning Board at 7:00 p.m.
Wednesday, February 11, 1988. Board members present:
Chairman Cody, Nelson, Averbeck and Irwin. Board members
absent: Prokop, Joyer and Crohn. Also present were City
Planner - John Miller, Building Inspector - Pete Kluegel.,
City Administrator -- Randy Schumacher, City Engineer - Ron
Stahlberg, Council members - Bill Bohjanen, and Harold
Bisel, and Secretary - Connie Husby.
CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES: Averbeck requested a correction
in minutes. Her name was left out of those present at the
January 13th meeting.
Irwin also requested a correction: Second to the last page
of the minutes, instead of page 2 it should say page 3.
Also, down three lines of the same page - Floor Area
Rquirements, should say Re- Subdivision Requirements. Also,
Page 10 - the first line on the page - An added note for
Re- Subdivision should read maximum density. Also, same page
- number 7B, 7D, and 7C should be deleted.
MOTION: Averbeck moved to accept the minutes of the January
13th meeting as amended. Joyer seconded the motion and the
motion was carried unanimously.
At 7:14 Joyer and Elmer Crohn joined the meeting. Chairman
Cody welcomed Mr. Crohn as the newest member appointed to be
on our Planning and Zoning Board.
ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: Open Floor Nomination - Nelson
nominated Cody again for Chairman. Joyer seconded the
motion and the motion was carried unanimously. Dave Cody
was elected to serve as Chairman on the Planning and Zoning
Board for 1988.
ELECTION OF VICE CHAIRMAN: Open Floor Nomination - Averbeck
nominated Nelson for Vice Chairman. Joyer seconded the
motion and the motion was carried uananimously. Cheryl
Nelson was elected to serve as Vice Chairman on the Planning
and Zoning Board for 1988.
PLANNING AND ZONING FEBRUARY 10, 1988
OPEN MIKE: John MacDonald - Centerville Lake Association -
Some of Mr. MacDonalds concerns were: 1) the quality of the
water 2) the lack of fish in the lake. 3) Lakeview
Addition and 4) culvert between Peltier Lake and
Centerville Lake.
Chairman Cody thanked Mr. MacDonald for sharing his
concerns.
Prokop joined the meeting at 7:17 p.m.
REQUEST FOR SKETCH PLAN REVIEW FOR EL REHBEIN AND SON FOR
LAKES ADDITION NO. 9
El Rehbein and Son Inc. owns approximately 18.5 acres of
land on Birch Street formerly known as Lakes Addition No. 7.
The land was origianally subdivided for the construction of
quadraminiums. Recently Lino Lakes approved the
resubdivision of a portion of Lakes Addition No. 7 creating
six single- family residential lots adjacent to Black Duck
Drive. The applicant is interested in re- platting the
remainder of Lakes Addition No. 7 for the construction of
single - family homes.
He is asking the Planning and Zoning Board to review this
sketch plan prior to his submittal of a preliminary plat.
Mr. Joyer stepped down from the board to present the sketch
plan.
* Chairman Cody questioned what the plans were for Outlot
B. Joyer replied it would continue to be green
space. The area would be controlled from the home
owners association. It will be a walk -on type
of access. They want to preserve the area as
green space.
Timing on the project - Joyer would like to come to
the next Planning and Zoning meeting with a
preliminary plat.
* "Exception" next to Outlot A - There is a possibility
of arranging a trade with the property, creating two
lots. However, there is no agreement at this time.
* Walkways - between lots 1 and 14 - Block numbers are
missing on plans. It was suggested to have a walkway
to allow access to the shopping area. This could be an
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easement for utilities to get back to the homes.
There was discussion regarding the lot size regarding
minimum requirements. It's a non cul -de -sac area.
Lots should be a minimum of 75 feet wide. Joyer
thought the curves on the roads were like cul - -de -sacs.
This should all be worked out our City Planner - John
Miller.
There was general discussion:
* Double frontage lots - 6 lots backed up to Birch Street
* Questions answered at the next meeting regarding the
City Engineers letter of February 5th.
* Check with the DNR regarding outlot B
• No official action taken on this and Jeff Joyer will be back
next month with a preliminary plat.
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REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR JOE SPETZMAN FOR PROPERTY
AT 8141 LAKE DRIVE, APPLICATION 88 -03.
At the January meeting, the Planning and Zoning Board
considered requests from Joe Spetzman for a lot split to
create a two acre industrial lot. That request was
subsequently approved by the City Council based on the
Planning and Zoning Boards recommendation. Spetzman also
asked for a variance as the pole barn he had constructed on
the land would have only a 60 foot side yard setback instead
of the ordinance required 75 feet. This was approved by the
City Council.
Mr. Spetzman brought a petition from everyone who abuts him
property. The petition stated the neighbors do not have a
problem with Mr. Spetzman using his building for custom wood
products manufacturing.
The main issue the Planning and Zoning had was with the
Lighting and the Signage. Mr. Spetzman has to be consistant
to the ordinance.
MOTION: Prokop recommended to the City Council approval of
site plan review for Joe Spetzman industrial property 8141
Lake Drive - Application 88 -03 for the reason it meets all
the requirements necessary for the particular application.
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Prokop made an editorial addition: All lighting and signage
for use of the property be according to the zoning
requirement for light industrial land. Irwin seconded the
motion and the motion was carried unanimously.
There was an amendment to the application: Joe Spetzman
said there would be confusion with three addresses.
Chairman Cody amended application to read 8145 Lake Drive.
REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT FOR MABEL CARDINAL FOR PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 80TH STREET AND I -35E, APPLICATION 88 -04.
Mabel Cardinal owns a forty acre parcel of land at the
intersection of 80th Street and 35E that she wishes to
subdivide into four ten -acre pieces. The subdivision would
allow the sale of the land benefiting Mrs. Cardinal's
children.
Tom Cardinal represented Mrs. Cardinal at this meeting.
MOTION: Ms. Nelson recommended to City Council approval of
the lot split for Mabel Cardinal property located at 80th
Street and I- -35E Application 88 -04 subject to these
conditions:
* The Applicant provides various easements for 80th
Street.
* Park dedication fee of $1600 be paid
* Separate deeds for new parcel will be prepared,
stamped by the City Clerk and recorded at the
Anoka County Court house.
Averbeck seconded the motion and the motion was carried
unanimously.
REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT FROM ANOKA COUNTY FOR PROPERTY
LOCATED AT T.H. 49 AND COUNTY ROAD 53, APPLICATION 88 -05.
Anoka County wishes to purchase 10.37 acres from the State
of Minnesota. The land is now part of the Correctional
Facility and is the site of two cottages. The property is
in the northeast corner of the state's land at the
intersection of County Road 53 and T.H. 49. The county is
presently renting the cottages.
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Tony Palumbo represented Anoka County. They have been
leasing two cottages on the corner of 4th Avenue and Lilac
Street and now wish to purchase the land.
MOTION: Nelson recommended the City Council approve the
request of the County of Anoka for a Minor Subdivision of
certain land located at Lino Lakes Correctional facility
Application 88 -05, action to be contingent on an acceptable
agreement to both parties relative to the administration
fee.
Crohn seconded the motion and the motion was carried
unanimously.
REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR LAKE VIEW
SUBDIVISION (KENT ROESSLER), APPLICATION 87 -32.
No action was taken on this in January because the Rice
Creek Watershed approval had not been obtained. Residents
at the January meeting raised questions about sewer
capacity, drainage and water quality. In addition Ron
Stahlberg had these concerns.
1. Rear lot dimensions are missing on lots 6, 7, 16
and 17.
2. Storm sewer for Area No. 2 is to be centered on
the easement.
3. Silt fence is to be installed on top of the bank,
not from the bottom of the ditch.
4. The weir detail to be used on the project is to be
provided. A detail for informational purposes
only is not acceptable.
Also noted was that the street name Lakeview Circle was
unacceptable as it was too similar to Lake View Drive.
The weir detail is to be a requirement for construction.
The street name shall be LaMotte Circle.
John Miller stated a variance is required because of the
length of LaMotte Circle. The maximum length permitted is
500 feet and the length is more than 700 feet.
NEIGHBORS COMMENTS: Bill Brown - 6900 LaMotte Drive,
PLANNING AND ZONING FEBRUARY 10, 1988
Last house of the dead end street. Creek runs by house - he
is concerned that his yard will be flooded by water.
Ron Stahlberg - The proposed ditch grade will be three to
four feet below Bill Brown's land. There will be no effects
of Bill Brown's property.
Glen Simonson - 1566 LaMotte Drive - His concern was the
cul - -de -sac. According to Simonson the road is really a 1/2
mile long cul -de -sac. He said the road will be a problem
with all the hauling that will be done on it.
Ron Stahlberg contacted Metro Waste Control Commission and
they checked out the sewer and said it has been adequate for
the area. There shouldn't be any problem with the
additional 17 homes going in.
Simonson had some additional concerns:
* Value of homes if plat is put in - concerned about
decreasing value of his home.
* Increased traffic by his property. No sidewalk -
children walk on road.
* Make different access to development.
Mike Mastro - 1553 LaMotte Drive - Mastro's concerns were:
* Traffic problem - running 1/2 mile road where there
was a dead end.
* Water problems - high water problem - Nobody wants
to get flooded out
* Setbacks on homes - driveways - 50 feet deep
John McDonald - 6901 LaMotte Drive - MacDonald's concerns
were:
* Snow removal - Where is the City of Lino Lakes going
to put the snow?
Prokop had some concerns also:
* Concerned about the quality of the ground?
* Kind of road it might be
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* Status of LaMotte Drive regarding heavy duty equipment
coming in. Will roadway have to be rebuilt in
a couple of years?
Ron Stahlberg couldn't answer the question regarding the
roads, but he said the road does not meet the present
standards.
Steve Anderson - 1582 LaMotte Drive - Anderson's concern
was:
* You can dig anywhere and hit water three feet down.
Jim Hines - 6918 LaMotte Drive - Hine's was concerned with:
* The City made him dig six to eight feet down and
replace it with sand.
Mr. Kent Roessler said the soil problems will be corrected.
The homes in this area will be financed by FHA, an agency
that has very strict rules for approval of the housing.
Mike Mastro - 1553 LaMotte Drive - He said he bought his
property 11 years ago and he had a good road then. When the
developer is done the road will be torn up again. Are the
owners going to be assessed $3,000 or more for road repairs?
MOTION: Prokop moved that a verbal application by Kent
Roessler at this meeting for a variance to a cul- -de -sac on
the plats entitled Lake View Place, the cul -de -sac on the
specific plat is 290 feet longer than the allowable
permitted length in the ordinance be granted a variance for
the following reasons:
1. The developer acted in good faith and the question
of the length of the Cul -de -sac wasn't mentioned until
this Planning and Zoning meeting.
2. Six findings of fact that need be made according
to the zoning ordinance appear to be met. The
platting is the best usage. The plat of the land
owner is due to the circumstances unique to
the property to wit the location surrounded by
i.e. lack of roadway, St. Paul waterworks
easements. Property useage is reasonable to the east
if variance is granted.
3. The plight of the land is not due to economic reasons
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alone.
4. There will be no special privilege at this time. The
applicant will comply with the proposed new zoning
ordinance.
5. The use of the property in this manner will not
unreasonably diminish the adjoining property owners
value. The developer is agreeing to upgrade the size
of his homes in compliance with zoning ordinance
amendments pending before the City Council.
6. The proposed variance meets with the spirit and the
intent of the ordinance.
Joyer senconded this motion. The motion was passed with
Averbeck and Irwin voting no.
MOTION: Prokop moved that action be taken by Kent Roessler
within 5 working days to get an application submitted for a
variance. Nelson seconded the motion and the motion passed
with Irwin voting no.
PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL:
MOTION: Nelson recommended to the council a variance for
the property defined as Lakeview Place with an application
to be submitted within 5 business days requesting the
variance from the double frontage provisions of our
ordinance. The basis for this particular variance was
outlined in the previous motion by Prokop relative to the
cul -de -sac. Prokop seconded this motion and the motion
passed with Irwin voting no.
MOTION: Prokop recommended to the council adoption of this
preliminary plat and that the developers comply with the
pending larger house sizes as follows:
3 Bedroom Rambler 1050 sq. ft.
2 tt 980 sq. ft.
1 1/2 Story 980 sq. ft.
Split Foyer /Entry 980 sq. ft.
2 Story 850 sq. ft.
All dwellings shall have a double garage.
* Also, that the variance be finalized on paper
within 5 working days.
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* The baffled weir detail indicated as a note will be
the weir design for the project
* Recommendations from the City Planner and the City
Engineer be followed.
The developer also indicated he would abide by setbacks as
they now exist. Also the name of the street will be changed
from Lakeview Circle to LaMotte Circle.
Nelson seconded the motion. More discussion followed and
the motion carried four to three with Nelson, Averbeck and
Irwin voting no.
REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT FOR KEN LUNDGREN FOR PROPERTY
LOCATED NEAR HOLLY DRIVE. APPLICATION 87 -33 REQUEST FOR
VARIANCE TO REDUCE LOT FRONTAGE, APPLICATION 87 -34.
This item was tabled from the January meeting pending
1) Additional information including location of a ghost
plat for the future subdivision of the land and
2) Clarification of the method of subdividing the land.
There was general discussion regarding this lot split.
MOTION: Nelson moved to recommend approval to the City
Council regarding the metes and bounds subdivision
application 87 -33 as presented with the following
conditions:
* If the 330 foot easement location to be determined
by the City Planner and City Engineer be granted
along the common lot line between D and E to be used
presently as driveway access and for future utility
roads.
Averbeck seconded the motion and the motion carried
unanimously. Through the granting of the easement there are
no requirements for a variance regarding the frontage
requirements.
DISCUSSION OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO PERMIT AND CONTROL THE
TEMPORARY PARKING OF TRUCKS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
Section 8 of the city's zoning ordinance provides
regulations for parking of cars and trucks in the city's
several zoning districts. Subdivision 5 of that section
states:
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"Motor vehicle parking in residential areas. No
motor vehicle exceeding a gross weight of 11,075
pounds shall be parked or stored in a residential
district except when loading, unloading, or rendering a
service."
This prohibits the parking of semi - trailers and tractors at
the residence of the owner. It also prohibits the parking
of dump trucks in residential areas.
The City Planner suggested that if the city wished to allow
parking in these areas it might do so with the following
conditions:
A. The unit shall not be parked for more than 72 hours.
B. The unit shall be parked behind the front of the
dwelling
C. The unit shall not interfere with neighbors' views of
the street.
D. There is a minimum of 150 feet from the unit to the
nearest lot line.
E. The unit shall remain connected.
F. Neighbors form each side, in front, and in back do not
object to the unit being parked.
G. Parking permits to be reviewed on an annual basis.
Mike Weltch - He came before the Planning and Zoning Board
to say he operates dump trucks and he maintains his trucks
at home. He's considering construction of a garage for his
trucks. Weltch said his trucks don't run at night so they
wouldn't bother anybody.
MOTION: Prokop moved that John Miller get a copy of other
situations that exist and bring it back to the Planning and
Zoning Board at a future meeting. Also, that John Miller
prepare a draft ordinance to permit truck parking for the
next Planning and Zoning meeting.
Averbeck seconded the motion and the motion was carried
unanimously.
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Chairman Cody suspended agenda items # 10 & 12 until a
future Planning and Zoning meeting when there is a lighter
agenda.
OLD BUSINESS: After much discussion the Planning and Zoning
Board recommended to the City Council the following changes
in the proposed R -1 minimum standards.
MOTION: Nelson moved to recommend to the City Council they
consider in the Rl and the R1 executive zone the square
footage requirements reflect the minimum lot dimension
multiplied out: 80 X 135 = 10,800
90 X 135 = 12,150
Joyer seconded the motion and the motion was carried
unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS: Nelson suggested more than one meeting a
month with these long agenda's.
Chairman Cody adjourned the Planning and Zoning meeting at
11:05 p.m..
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