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Wednesday, June 12
7 :00 P.M.
A G E N D A
1. Call to Order and Roll Call
2. Consideration of Minutes - 5/8/85
3. Building Officialls Report
4. 7:15 Open Mike
5. 7 ;20 John Davidson Street Standards,
Street Lighting, Culverts, Ditches'
6. 7 :35 Alwin LaMotte Mining Permit -
Conditional Use Permit Flood Plain
7, 7 ;50 James Refrigeration - Site 8
Building Plan Review - Addition
to Tom Thumb Store
8. 8 :20 Russell Rehbein - Horse Arena -
Conditional Use Permit
9. 8 :40 Russell Pert -- Farm Animal
• Ordinance - Variance
10. Old Business
11.. New Business
12. Adjourn
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PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD
June 12, 1985
Chairman McLean called to order the June 12, 1985 meeting of the
Planning and Zoning Board at 7:02 P.M. Members present: Cody,
Doocy, Prokop. Absent: Ostlie. Members joining later in the
evening: Klaus, Goldade. Also present for the meeting were Mr.
Zack Johnson, City Planner; Mr. Pete Kluegel, Building Inspector;
Mr. Kulaszewicz, Council Liaison; Mr. John Davidson, City Engineer
(Per request by P & Z Board); and Mrs. Foster, Secretary.
CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES - May 8, 1985
Minutes of the May 8, 1985 meeting were not considered due to the
fact that there was not a quorum of the May 8 meeting present.
BUILDING OFFICIAL'S REPORT
Mr. Kluegel reported the following actions taken at the three
most recent Council meetings:
5/28/85 Council
5/13/85 Council
6/8/85
- Approved Henry James Properties Site and
Building Plan for an addition to building
at 7771 Lake Drive per P 6 Z recommendations
(made at 5/8/85 P 6 Z meeting).
- Approved Gordy Schiller House Move -In to
6832 Lakeview Ave. per P & Z recommendations
(made at 5/8/85 P & Z meeting).
- Approved Bruce Hanson Amended Conditional
Use Permit and Site and Building Plan per
P & Z recommendations (made at 4/10/85
meeting).
- Approved Kemacell (Mike Askay) Site and
Building Plan and Conditional Use Permit
(for on -site septic system) per P & Z
recommendations (made at 4/10/85 P & Z
meeting).
- Approved Marlin Hansen Shoreland Management
Conditional Use Permit with a condition
that the maximum size of the building pro-
posed be 24'X 36'.
- Planning and Zoning Board was requested to
take no action at this time, until further
notice with regard to the review of the
Comprehensive Plan for the City. It was
suggested that there be a meeting of
Council representatives, P & Z representa-
tives, City Administrator, Economic Develop-
ment Committee representative, and Building
Official before any further review of the
Comprehensive Plan takes place.
- The "Clean Up Day" as suggested by the P & Z
recently will be discussed at budget time.
It was suggested by Council that the Lion's
Club, VFW, and Boy Scouts be asked to help.
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JOHN DAVIDSON - STREET STANDARDS, STREET LIGHTING, CULVERTS, DITCHES
City Engineer John Davidson was present, as requested by P & Z, to
discuss the items above. He presented overhead transparencies show-
ing the usual standards used in different parts of the City for
street widths.
The question of street standards rose some time ago during P & Z
meetings when members questioned narrower than usual streets in
the West Oaks area and also Reiling Road. The Board also felt that
discussing these issues would also help in reviewing the Compre-
hensive Plan. Although the P & Z Board has since been asked to take no
action at this time on the Comprehensive Plan, Mr. Davidson had
come prepared to discuss these issues as requested.
Mr. Davidson pointed out that the City at this time has no design
standards included in the City ordinances with regard to streets.
Generally, local (urban) streets would be 32' wide; collector
(permanent) streets would -be 45 -46' wide; rural (temporary) streets
would be 24' of blacktop with unpaved width on each side as feasible
to allow for future improvement. Mr. Davidson also stated that the
most logical place to make a division between rural and urban stand-
ards would be at approximately the five acre lot size zones, however,
quite often other factors need to be considered.
The Reiling Road situation occurred due to the fact that wetlands
needed to be circumvented, drainage and easement limitations needed
to be taken into consideration. For these reasons, from an engineer-
ing standpoint the street was constructed at less than the usual
32' width. The same reasons hold true for Carl Street.
Mr. McLean voiced his concern that at the time of the Carl Street
variance from usual street width, the P & Z Board should have been
made aware of this situation, since the change altered the plat.
Mr. Davidson said this recommendation was acted upon by the Council.
The incidences of narrower streets in the Sherwood Green and
West Oaks areas took place under other City Engineers, therefore
Mr. Davidson was unable to answer why these situations were accepted.
Jan Klaus joined the meeting at 7:20 P.M.
Richard Goldade joined the meeting at 7:25 P.M.
Mr. Davidson also mentioned that he has recommended to Council that
the Fourth Avenue (state aid road) be constructed with 24' of black-
top and 10' unpaved on either side. At the time this street would
become urban rather than rural, state aid funds can be used to up-
grade.
Mr. Davidson recommended that the City adopt engineering standards,
such as a booklet he presented, which would cover - street standards,
etc.
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Mr. McLean asked Mr. Davidson for written recommendations with
respect to street standards for use in Comprehensive Planning.
The group briefly discussed street lighting. Mr. Davidson said
he had no recommendations presently, but would compile his recom-
mendations as requested by the Board.
With regard to the use of culverts in the City, Mr. Davidson said
there are unique situations in most every case where drainage must
be taken into consideration, not only with concern for the indivi-
dual, but the overall neighboring area. He felt standards for
culverts and ditches would be difficult to follow in many cases.
The Board asked whether or not they should be concerned, when re-
viewing a site and building plan, with the landscaping plans.
Generally, there is not a definite plan describing the landscaping
to be done. Mr. Davidson felt this is an important consideration.
Mr. Davidson also recommended that the City adopt an Improvements
Funding and Assessment Policy.
The Board asked that Mr. Davidson remain at the meeting to discuss
a later agenda item, James Refrigeration Addition to Tom Thumb.
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ALWIN LAMOTTE - MINING PERMIT - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FLOOD PLAIN
Agnes LaMotte was present to answer questions with regard to this
request, which Mr. Kluegel presented to the Board. This item is
a continuation of earlier discussions at May 8, 1985 P & Z meeting.
Two duck ponds have been dug on the LaMotte property with a permit
from Rice Creek Watershed District. A stipulation of that permit
was that the spoils be removed from the property. In an after -the-
fact situation, the LaMotte's now need a Conditional Use Permit/
Mining Permit. The LaMotte's plans are to clean out the County
ditch on their property also. They currently have a request in to
Rice Creek Watershed District for these plans. Should that request
be approved, the LaMotte's will have to come before the City again
and repeat these proceedings.
The Board felt it was unfair to charge the applicant the applica-
tion /escrow fee twice. Mr. Kulaszewicz said that the Council could
possibly handle the fee charges if and when the LaMotte's should
appear before the City again.
The applicant stated that approximately 1,000 cubic yards of spoils
are to be removed. Mr. Kluegel stated that he and the Rice Creek
Watershed District inspector will be responsible to see that only
the spoils are removed.
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MOTION: Mr. Prokop moved to recommend to Council that the request
by Alwin LaMotte, 6510 - 12th Avenue So., Lino Lakes for a flood
plain conditional use permit for removal of 1,000 cubic yards of
dredged material from land described in the application be granted.
Mrs. Klaus seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
Mr. Kulaszewicz again suggested that.the Council not charge the
applicant for any 'repeat' application in the future.
MOTION: Mr. Prokop moved to recommend to Council that the request
by Alwin LaMotte, 6510 - 12th Avenue So., Lino Lakes for a mining
permit to remove spoils from land described in the application be
granted. Mr. Cody seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
JAMES REFRIGERATION - SITE AND BUILDING PLAN REVIEW - ADDITION TO
TOM THUMB, MAIN STREET AND LAKE DRIVE
Mr. Dick Kwanbeck represented James Refrigeration in their request
for a Site and Building Plan Review for an addition to the Tom
Thumb store at Main Street and Lake Drive. The proposed addition is
planned to conform to the existing building in building material,
style and roof.
A topographical map showing drainage plan, elevations, etc. was not
available for review. Mr. Kwanbeck was made aware of the fact that
such a map would be necessary to consider the request.
Concerns of the City Planner were landscaping on the west side of
the building (a buffer is necessary), and the fact that the submitted
plan shows the pylon type business sign is in the right of way.
Mr. Kwanbeck explained that when the County improved the intersection
a few years ago, more easement was required, thus the sign existing
at the time, fell into the right -of -way.
Mr. Davidson made his recommendations in a memo dated 6/11/85 with
respect to soil borings, percolation tests and septic system..
Mr. Kulaszewicz reminded the Board of previous drainage problems
reported by the neighbor to the west of the Tom Thumb. He felt
that the drainage plan should be carefully reviewed.
Mr. Goldade said that he was with the understanding that a. change
is planned for the Main Street /Lake Drive intersection, which may
affect the entrances into the building. The applicant was not
aware of any plans, but said he would look into this possibility.
MOTION: Mr. Prokop moved to table consideration of this request
until the concerns of the City Planner, City Engineer, and the
concerns with regard to entrance to the building are resolved.
Mr. Goldade seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
Mr. Davidson left the meeting after this item at 8:20 P.M.
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RUSSELL REHBEIN - HORSE ARENA - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT /VARIANCE
Russell and Maren Rehbein represented their request for a Condi-
tional Use Permit for a horse arena on a parcel of property for
which they hold an option to buy. Due to the fact that the arena
which they propose to build is larger than allowed by the accessory
building ordinance, a variance was also requested.
The Board stated that the application had to come from the owner
of record. Mr. Jeff Joyer, the President of Equity Planning (the
owner of record) was present also for this discussion.
The property the applicants are interested in buying is a five acre
parcel in a rural zone. The applicants were aware that per City
ordinance, they would be allowed five horses on this property.
The purpose of the horse arena would be that the applicants would
be able to keep their horses in condition year round in an enclosed
arena, and also to house horses which they may buy and sell. They
plan to build their home on this parcel as well.
The Board pointed out the fact that the proposed horse arena is
about seven times the size allowed in this size lot. The applicants
pointed out the fact that the ordinance allowing an arena as a condi-
tional use in this zone in moot by the fact that the accessory
building section does not allow for a large enough building for a
arena. The applicants were told that should they definitely need
an arena the size they have proposed, they would need a 20+ acre
parcel.
MOTION: Mr. Cody moved to recommend to Council approval of a
request dated 5/26/85 by Russell and Maren Rehbein for a Condi-
tional Use Permit for a horse arena at 6505 Joyer Lane with the
following conditions: 1) the arena be built in accordance with
the ordinance with respect to type and size, 2) no sales of horses
take place, 3) the arena not be used in any way which could be
construed as a home occupation (Subdivision 2, Sentence 70),
Mr. Doocy seconded the motion. On the vote; 3 aye, 3 nay.
Motion failed.
MOTION: Mr. Cody moved to recommend to Council denial of a
request dated 6/3/85 by Russell and Maren Rehbein for a Variance
to the accessory building size for a horse arena proposed at
6505 Joyer Lane, because the request is not in conformance with
the size limits of the accessory building ordinance (which allows
a maximum size of 1,600 square feet), and also because it does
not conform to Subdivision 7, Subparagraph 1 - 6. Mr. Doocy
seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
Mr. McLean explained to the applicants that this item will now
go before the City Council with the recommendation of denial
of the Variance request and no recommendation as to the Condi-
tional Use Permit because of a tie vote on the motion.
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June 12, 1985
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RUSSELL PERT - FARM ANIMAL ORDINANCE VARIANCE
Mrs. Mary Pert appeared before the Board with her request to keep
a goat on her two acre lot. She explained that she had received
a citation from a Lino Lakes Police Officer. She felt that the
goat should be considered a "pet" rather than a "farm animal"
since it is handled as a pet (in the same manner as her two dogs),
was allowed inside her house, and was no larger then a dog.
Mr. Zack Johnson reminded the Board that the intent of the ordin-
ance with respect to farm animals was to not allow large concen-
trations of farm animals on small lots. Quite a bit of discussion
followed questioning whether this goat should be considered a
pet or a farm animal.
Mr. Johnson read a portion of the farm animal ordinance (Section
503.03, Subd. 2) which states: "The provisions of Subdivision
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such as skunks, rabbits,,raccoons, canaries, chickens, ducks
and pigeons when kept as household pets."
It was generally felt that the key words in this portion of the
ordinance are the words "similar animals" and "when kept as
household pets ".
MOTION: Mr. Doocy moved the applicant withdraw her request for a
Variance, since a Variance has been found to be unnecessary,
the City refund the applicant the $150 fee which has been paid,
the citation from the Lino Lakes Police Department be revoked,
and the goat be considered a household pet. Mr. Prokop seconded
the motion, which carried unanimously.
Mr. McLean stated that this item need not come before the City
Council, and asked Mr. Kluegel to notify. the Police and the
City staff of the P & Z's findings- in this matter.
OLD BUSINESS
Park Dedication - Mr. Prokop reiterated his concern that the
Park Board did not take any land in the eastern portion of the
City for park purposes when the recent subdivisions in that
area came before the Park Board, P & Z Board and Couneil.. He
suggested a joint meeting with the Park Board to discuss park
land in that area of the City and also discuss the Park Board's
recommendations for use in reviewing the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. McLean mentioned that :. if the Park Board doesn't recommend
land, the P & Z should recommend to the Council, and the Council
will take the action regardless of who recommenled what. Mr.
Kulaszewicz was asked to make Mr. Bohjanen (Park Board Council
Liaison) aware of the P & Z's concern in this regard to see if
Mr. Bohjanen can convince the Park Board of the need for park
property in the eastern portion of the City.
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NEW BUSINESS
80th Street Extension - Mr. Zack Johnson distributed copies of
a memo of his recommendations with regard to the extension of
80th Street which is proposed within the Comprehensive Plan.
His memo dated 6/12/85 recommends deleting the extension com-
pletely from the Comprehensive Plan because of the costs which
would be involved in constructing a road over lake and wetland.
The research that Mr. Johnson had done was at the request of
the P.& Z Board at their May 8, 1985 meeting when they were
considering a Metes and Bounds Conveyance for Roselyn Vanelsberg
which may be affected by the extension of 80th Street.
Mr. McLean said that the Board should take Mr. Johnson's recom-
mendation into account should Roselyn Vanelsberg appear before
the Board again, but not make any recommendation to Council
based on the findings until the entire Comprehensive Plan is
reviewed.
Fire Department - Maps - Mr. Doocy mentioned that in a conversa-
tion recently with Fire Chief Bob Berg, Mr. Berg said that he
had requested from the City- Administrator twice and written a
letter to the Mayor asking for up -to -date maps of the City. He
evidently has been having trouble finding certain locations when
fire calls are received because the fire district has not been
notified of new plats, roads, etc. The Board asked that Mr.
Kluegel see that Mr. Berg receive these maps. Mr. Kluegel agreed
to forward them.
Planning and Zoning Expenses To Date - Mr. Doocy questioned the
planning expenses spelled out in the City Administrator's memo
of 5/14/85 to the P & Z Board. Mr. McLean felt that the bulk
of the expenses listed are to be charged back against applicants'
escrows. He felt that there was a bookkeeping problem here and
that the P & Z budget was being drained because the proper charge
backs are not being handled properly.
The meeting adjourned at 9:45 P.M.
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