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LINO LAKES PLANNING 6 ZONING
September 11, 1985
1. Call to Order and Roll Call
2. Consideration and Approval of Minutes - August 14, 1985
3. Open Mike
4. Building Official's Report
5. 7:15 Platting Ordinance - Zack Johnson
6. 7:30 Variance Setback Frontyard - El Rehbein 6 Son - 6498 Totem Trail
7. 8:00 Underground Road Policy
8. 8:15 Priority List Comp Plan Review
9. Old Business
10. New Business p2 7
11. Adjourn
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Chairman McLean called to order the regular meeting of the Planning
Iand Zoning Board at 7:10 P.M., Wednesday, September 11, 1985. Pre-
sent: Doocy, Klaus, Ostlie. Absent: Prokop, Goldade, Cody. Mr.
Kulaszewicz, Council Liaison; 1?r. Kluegel, Building Official; Mr.
Marier, Council Member and Mrs. Foster, Secretary were also present.
IMr. Kluegel also mentioned that the Park Board met on 9/9/85 and
arranged a time to tour the City to examine the parks and also to
begin their task of finding and acquiring property in the southeast
corner of the City for park purposes. Mr. Kluegel extended the
Park Board's invitation to the P 8 Z Board to join them on the tour
and /or convey any suggestions as to possible park property in the
southeast corner. The Board was also made aware of a vacancy on
the Park Board.,
CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES - August 14, 1985
Mrs. Klaus moved to approve the minutes of the 8/14/85 meeting of the
P 8 Z Board as presented. Motion seconded by Mr. Doocy and carried.
BUILDING OFFICIAL'S REPORT
Mr. Kluegel reported the following actions taken by the City Council
at their 8/26/85 meeting:
- Public Hearing was set for the Roselyn VanElsberg preliminary
plat for 8:00 P.M. on September 23, 1985
Public Hearing was set for Gary Uhde /GM Development request
for a conditional use permit for land reclamation for 7:45 P.M.
on September 23, 1985.
- Three separate metes and bounds conveyances for Steve Bailey,
Dorothy Kvitek, and Robert Knabe were approved per the P 6 Z's
recommendations.
EL REHBEIN 8 SONS - VARIANCE
Mr. Jeff Joyer represented El Rehbein 8 Sons in their request for a
variance to setback requirements on a County Road (Birch Street).
This request was to build a house facing Totem Trail at the corner
of Birch Street. The length of the particular house proposed would
not fit on the assumed 100' frontage on Totem Trail which would cause
the garage end of the house to be a 24' setback rather than the
required 40' setback from Birch Street.
Mr. Joyer pointed out the following reasons for planning the house
on the lot as proposed: 1) for a lighter traffic pattern in front
of the house, it should be set facing Totem Trail, 2) to limit
Ithe noise of Birch Street, the garage should be on the north end of
the home, 3) a precedent has been set by the other homes on Birch
Street to allow less than a 40' setback, 4) topography and possible
marginal land in the back yard would inhibit locating the house
differently on the property, 5) the prospective buyer wants the
house plan proposed and a different style house would not be as
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Mr. Kluegel pointed out that the property to the south experienced
a problem with settling in theipast and that this property needs
to be fully examined to determine its buildability.
In further discussion of the request, the P & Z Board stated that
the only point which Mr. Joyer made which may become a valid reason
for approval would be the point with regard to a possible hardship
caused by the topography of the lot. Mr. Joyer was told that soil
borings from the property need to be presented in order to justify
a variance in this case.
Mrs. Klaus strongly suggested that El Rehbein & Sons use some
creativity in designing a home for this lot which would satisfy
all the setback requirements.
A question was also raised with regard to the frontage of the lot.
According to one of the maps presented, it appears that the frontage
is somewhat less than the reported 100'.
MOTION: Mr. Doocy moved to table consideration of the application
from El Rehbein & Sons for a variance pending receipt of soil
borings information and resolution of the lot line /frontage
discrepancy.
METROPOLITAN COUNCIL PRESENTATION - SEWER EXTENSIONS
Mr. Jim Barton, Metropolitan Council made a presentation, at the
invitiation of the City, regarding among other things, the feasi-
bility of extending sewers. It was felt that this information may
be of interest to the P & Z Board at this time in preparation
for review of the comprehensive plan for the City.
The presentation involved all the aspects of costs of running the
City (including police & fire service and City government, etc.),
and the revenues collected by the City (through taxes, aid, etc.),
and the impacts of these items on the feasibility of sewer extension.
Mr. Barton explained the research study which the Metro Council put
together for the City of Blaine to help that City determine their
future sewer needs. The research study was a computerized method
of visually displaying information in color. Mr. Barton felt that
this method provides an easier comprehension of the data than the
traditionally used tables and graphs, etc.
The data used for this research study was obtained by the County,
and Mr. Barton strongly suggested that the City pressure the County
to distribute this very useful information which is compiled by the
assessor's office for use in review of the comprehensive plan and
also future economic development. Mr. Barton thanked the P & Z for
the opportunity to make this presentation.
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PLATTING ORDINANCE
IAs requested at the P 8 Z's 8/14/85 meeting, Mr. Zack Johnson, the
City Planner sent a memo dated 6/10/85 with regard to the platting
ordinance. Mr. Johnson was unable to attend this meeting and the
Board felt that any further discussion of the platting ordinance
should be held off, until Mr. Johnson can contribute his opinion.
MOTION: Mrs. Klaus moved to table further consideration of the
platting ordinance until Mr. Zack Johnson is in attendance. Mr.
Ostlie seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
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UNDERGROUND ROAD POLICY
This item was sparked at last month's P 8 Z meeting, where Mr.
Goldade presented a proposed policy with respect to pushing
cables, etc. under the street rather than cutting the street to
install the cable. This subject has entered the spotlight recently
with the installation of cable television in the City. The
P 8 Z recommended that the Council take action to approve a
specific 'policy with would eliminate cutting of streets. The
Council requested that TKDA, the City engineering consultant,
submit a letter explaining the current policy and any comments
on the proposed policy._ (The policy proposed was made part of the
8/14/85 P 8_ Z minutes.)
IThe P 8 Z Board felt that TKDA's response was not clear as to
actual specifications and that they should submit .a policy type
recommendation.
Mr. Marier explained to the P 8 Z Board that there are situations,
such as was the case recently with Group W Cable TV, where the
decision to out the street rather than push the cable under the
street was made because of multiple lines of cable being used.
He explained that in situations where several cables or large
diameter cables need to cross the street, pushing the cables under
may create a void under the roadbed which would eventually cause
a dip in the street equal toorgreater than the cutting of the street
would create. For this reason, he felt that there should be a
policy for underground road work which would have a provision
to allow the engineer to use discretion in deciding which option
would be least damaging to the street.
The Board felt that TKDA did not address this subject completely
or clearly and further recommendations would need to be submitted.
MOTION: Mr. Ostlie moved to return the proposed draft for under-
ground crossing of roadbeds by utilities for more complete defini-
tion of what would be required within the MnDOT application or
Iinclude MnDOT specifications and return with a suitable detailed
policy statement. Mrs. Klaus seconded the motion which carried
unanimously.
The Board also felt that Mr. Goldade should be in attendance when
finalizing a policy since he is most learned in this subject.
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW /BUDGET
At last month's meeting the Board and Mr. Zack Johnson discussed
the priorities in the comprehensive plan review and the estimated
planning costs of each. The City Council received the priority
list at their 8/26/85 meeting and Mr. Johnson, in a memo dated
9/10/85, gave more specific explanations for the tasks required.
Chairman McLean stated that the 1986 budget for P & Z should
include $8,200 which would be for planning service fees for A)
reviewing zoning densities $1,700 - $2,200, B) updating road plan
$1,900 - $2,300, C) updating utilities plan - TKDA input required,
and D) comprehensive plan update $1,500 - $1,900. This $8,200 figure
is the total of the maximum charge for each item.
Mr. Schumacher reminded the Board that this type of endeavor never
turns out to go as smoothly as hoped and that generally cost esti-
mates are exceeded. To allow for this situation, the Board needs
to consider a reasonable amount above and beyond the planning
estimates. He also noted that Mr. Johnson's explanations for the
tasks to be completed may prove to be inadequate.
The Board also questioned whether or not Mr. Johnson was aware
that he would be required to attend public hearings or other special
meetings. Considering these possible additions to the planning
fee estimates, the Board decided that approximately $15,000 should
be budgeted for the comprehensive plan review in 1986. Mr. Schumacher
was asked to confer with Mr. Johnson to insure that he and the City
have like expectations with regard to attending meetings, the ex-
tent to which zoning densities will be reviewed and other 'house-
keeping' costs. Mr. Johnson should be made aware also that the compre-
hensive plan review will include one additional P & Z meeting per
month, public hearings, etc. as required. Should Mr. Schumacher
find that this figure of $15,000 for the 1986 budget needs adjust-
ment, he can make the adjustment based on discussions with Mr.
Johnson.
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The item within Mr. Johnson's priority list which points out the
cost estimate to update the park plan should be handled by the
Park Board in their 1986 budget and is not included within the
P & Z's plans. The Board also mentioned that when the comprehensive
plan review gets underway, the'Economic Development Committee and
the community and other City Boards will be invited to contribute
input.
OLD BUSINESS
None.
NEW BUSINESS
A joint meeting of the Shoreview Council and the City of Lino Lakes
has been arranged for September 30, 1985 at 7iQQ P.M. Members from
the City Boards and the community are welcome to attend.
The meeting adjourned at 10:00 P.M. Aye.