HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/14/1984 P&Z MinutesINTERVIEW
Planning
tq N 1 I N
Q) 4) Q1 ti, 'N U
`-0 'd q
<M �M �M ? f q q q TS
s~ co 00 03 s~ N z O
•Nrnrnrn q) 0 U ar
Hriri W
0 `
4-4 . . . O 0 Qi (1) O
O 0'4. ri U tU UU
■I N N Qj I to q
✓ - a to ro to
TS ro ki t. • 4J CO ▪ •N• 21
U a01 0,471 .1-) v
q b1 -i o o ▪ v 0 m o • o
(S q '1' ry 0.4 4.J 4-3 • N N 4.) -I-) 1 W
• '4J •N oo 0 sa U U O a H RS I
a, s~ q a) • (ts O O? ry z 2s Q) izs
ro N rC O ,—i N u) 0, (1)
• ,.t~ 4J N `Z1 'ZS b1 bl b' rl S ; a Z ^I CI)
a Uri q s~ s~ s~ g R3 W 0 0 'q N
ZJ CI+ r c 'N 'N 'N 'N U S~ g N 4-1
O ri Iq 2 q rl 1.3 .I.i 4I-1 U ad 0 U N
O rI q ro y q N N tU N tv bl rI S I
•N O W 0 0 0 0 0 9-i O s~ a 0 3 IQ
N a U b1 Q) 'Cd 'N 4-r 'N ti)
C? s~
■4 �4 4J O Ir) N a, 4) N
•N i~ 0 TS $.4 H 1 tU q a Y U Z tr) S~
r0 s~ Q) s~ RS Ti TS b1 o ro s -i q o a •N
O Ill "-I •N '.--1 U rI O TS its to tr) s~
ro • O -I-i r-o U U •N a U O Z'r 0 • ri $-4
ri 2 •N b (I) N Io N ro Cr-) a Z
a rI to to cl4 szi, -4 o sr 0 in s~ 0
,y • a to to o 0 rl M s~ •■ O 3 t7 •�
co 0 ^} { .. 0 •N 0 -4 0
O U 1 1 1 W I\ do 4J Qo U 03 4-4 'G, tJ r
m
PLEASE NOTE;
y N ry CM v1 l0 1\ e0
ry rl
• •
• •
ino
lakes
TO: Planning and Zoning Board
FROM: Shar Foster, Secretary
DATE: November 7, 1984
SUBJECT: Planning and Zoning Meeting
A regular meeting of the Lino Lakes P & Z Board will be held on
Wednesday, November 14. The regular meeting will begin at 7:30
P.M. -- an interview of Planning Consultant, Bill Chapman will
beg at 7:00 P.M.
Please let me know if you are unable to attend so I can determine
a quorum.
sf
•
•
Planning and Zoning
November 14, 1984
The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Planning and Zoning Board was
called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman McLean on Wednesday, November
14, 1984. Members present: Cody, Prokop, Goldade. Mrs. Klaus joined
the meeting at 7:50 P.M. Absent: Doocy, Ostlie. Mr. Kluegel and Mrs.
Foster were also present.
CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES
Regular meeting October 10, 1984 - None of the board members had a
copy with them of those minutes, thus consideration will be made at
next meeting.
Special meeting October 24, 1984 - Mr.
minutes as presented. Seconded by Mr.
Special meeting November 1, 1984 - Mr.
minutes as presented. Seconded by Mr.
Prokop moved to approve the
Cody. Motion carried.
Cody moved to approve the
Goldade. Motion carried.
Mr. McLean wanted there to be note made for the record that the P & Z
board also held a special meeting on November 3 to tour the area for
the purpose of gathering information regarding the issue of whether
or not to amend the ordinance regulating accessory buildings.
BUILDING OFFICIALS REPORT
Mr. Kluegel reported that the October 22 Council approved the metes
and bounds conveyance request made by Ken Albrecht. The P & Z Board
considered this item and recommended approval at their October 10,
1984 meeting.
The amended and revised dog kennel ordinance, which the P & Z Board
has recommended for approval, will be considered by the City Council
at their next meeting.
Mr. Kluegel brought to the attention of the Board the fact that there
will be a one day seminar presented by the Annual Planning Institute
to be held in the Twin Cities on November 30. Mr. Goldade and Mrs.
Klaus (who joined meeting later) were interested in attending. Their
registration forms and fees will be submitted by Mrs. Foster.
ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ORDINANCE
Mr. Banta was present in the audience and was thanked by the Board
for his time and effort in assisting the Board with their November
3 tour of the area to gather information with regard to accessory
buildings.
It was the consensus of the Board that consideration should be made
to change the ordinance with respect to the land requirements, build-
ing size, and architectural design requirements. A work session to
make these considerations will take place at 7:30 P.M. on Wednesday,
November 28. The accessory building issue will be the only agenda
item for this meeting. Mr. McLean felt that the Board would not
need minutes to be taken at this meeting. The ordinance with any
changes will be submitted to the secretary after the meeting for
typing.
•
Planning and Zoning
November 14, 1984
Page Two
Mrs. Klaus joined the meeting at 7:50 P.M.
PLANNING CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDATION
The Board interviewed three candidates on November 1 and one candidate
on November 14 for the position of planning consultant. Each board -
member present ranked the candidates (Mrs. Klaus abstained). The
opinions were in unanimous agreement, and the Board felt that they
had seen a good scope of candidates and did not feel any more inter-
views were necessary.
Mr. McLean moved to recommend to Council, based upon the joint assess-
ment of the candidates by the P & Z Board, that Mr. Chapman remain the
City Planning Consultant. Motion seconded by Goldade. Motion unani-
mously carried.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE
Mr. Schumacher addressed a letter to the attention of the P & Z Board
and the City Council suggesting those boards go through the normal
approval process for the republished 1981 Comp Plan which includes
some changes, none of which affect Metropolitan Council. This letter
spelled out generally what changes were included at the suggestion
of the former City Planner, Bill Short.
The Board was not satisfied with the detail of the changes which have
been included in the republished Comp Plan. Mr. McLean suggested
that a "to- from" list be developed for the purpose of clarification.
Mr. Goldade moved to direct Mr. Kluegel to plan a meeting of the
P & Z Board, City Council, Mr. Schumacher and Mr. Chapman to make
sure all understand the changes which have taken place. Mr. Prokop
seconded the motion. Motion carried.
GARY MOREHOUSE - METES AND BOUNDS CONVEYANCE
Arlo and Lucille Morehouse represented Gary Morehouse in his request
for a metes and bounds subdivision of five acres in an ER district.
After some discussion and clarification of the location in question,
Mr. Cody moved to recommend that Council approve Mr. Morehouse' re-
quest for a metes and bounds subdivision, Mr. Morehouse currently
residing at 660 79th St., for a split of his property located
at 680 79th St. in which a parcel of 330 feet by 660 feet (constitu-
ting five acres) be subdivided. Mr. Goldade seconded the motion.
Mr. Cody amended his motion to include the fact that the property
to be subdivided does lie adjacent to a city accepted and dedicated
roadway (namely 79th St.), a fact which is not noted either on the
certificate of survey accompanying the request or on the city aerial
map. Motion passed.
Mrs. Morehouse was upset by the fact that the city map does not
show 79th St., a street which has been there for 20 years, and
because of that fact, the Morehouse certificate of survey did not
show the street. She felt the City should see to it that their
maps were updated.
•
•
•
Planning and Zoning
November 14, 1984
Page Three
At this time (8:25 P.M.) the Board took a five minute break.
GROUP W CABLE - VARIANCE, CONDITIONAL USE, METES & BOUNDS CONVEYANCE
Mr. Steve Nierengarten and Mr. Zurek were representing Group W in
their request to purchase a ten acre parcel to be used for the
purposes of cable TV, which would include construction of one 150'
antenna (which would be a conditional use) and two 22' diameter
dishes on grade.
Group W's selection of the site on Birch Street (just behind the
present tower) was made because of its central location to the area
to be serviced (Lino Lakes, Circle Pines, Lexington and Centerville).
They have researched several sites which resulted in several conflicts
including "noisy" air space, improper zoning, etc.
The problem with the site in question is the fact that it does not
have the frontage to meet ordinance requirements. Group W felt that
the problem of access has been taken care of even though the land
in question does not have necessary frontage.
Mr. Cody moved that the application of Group W for a metes and bounds
subdivision for certain property legally described on the application
be denied due to the fact that the property does not have the 330'
frontage as required by the City ordinance. Motion seconded by Mrs.
Klaus.
Mr. Goldade asked if there would be a time restriction which would
not allow Group W to reapply, possibly with a different site, until
a certain period of time had elapsed. It was the understanding of
the Board that there is no such time restriction which would apply
to this situation and that Group W could return as soon as they
wish with another request. Mr. McLean reminded Group W representa-
tives that the P & Z Board was a recommending body and that the
City Council would take the final action to accept or deny the
request. On voting on the motion, Mr. Prokop and Mr. Goldade voted
nay, Mr. McLean, Mrs. Klaus and Mr. Cody voted aye. Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Mr. McLean reported that he had received a phone call from Mr. Larry
Brokke who owns a parcel of land partially in Lino Lakes and partially
in Centerville. Mr. Brokke has been notified that Centerville is
considering changing the zoning classification of his land in Center-
ville, and he is concerned about this devaluating his property. Mr.
Brokke did not request any particular action be taken, although Mr.
McLean felt that the City should be involved as a service to a Lino
Lakes citizen. Mr. McLean told Mr. Brokke that he would bring the
item to the attention of the Building Inspector and the City Admin-
istrator and felt that the City Administrator should look into the
problem.
•
•
•
Planning and Zoning
November 14, 1984
Page Four
Mr. Kluegel reported on the Ulmer /sewer project, the latest turn
being that Mr. Ulmer no longer wishes to extend sewer into this
proposed development. Mr. Kluegel will keep the Board up to date
regarding this issue.
Mrs. Klaus noted that there is a double wide trailer parked at the
House of Praise. Mr. Kluegel said that a church member has it
parked there and that it will be going on a foundation on Pine Street.
Mrs. Klaus also felt that since no construction has yet begun at
the House of Praise and their request to add on, which came before
the P & Z in October, was a rather hurried situation, she felt the
Board was unnecessarily hurried to take action.
Another concern was brought up by Mr. Prokop with regard to streets
not being paved in certain developments before the lots are developed.
Several instances -- Sherwood Green, West Oaks of Bald Eagle and in
the past Shenandoah III -- were used as examples of situations where
people are living in homes wherethestreets were not paved. Mr.
Prokop felt that the larger builders seem to get away with this
more often than the small developer and possibly the City was oper-
ating with a dual standard.
Mr. Goldade reported that he watched some of the construction of a
street in the Menkveld addition, and he questioned whether there
was any base laved down before the pavement. Mr. Kluegel stated
that it is the engineer's job to approve streets and that he would
bring this situation to the engineers attention and have it checked.
During the tour of the area, it was noted that there is quite a bit
of scrap material at Kloesner /Goertz. Mr. Kluegel said that he was
working on this situation.
It was brought to the attention of the Building Inspector that there
appears to be a "sales office" trailer at West Oaks. Mr. Kluegel
said he would check this out.
Mr. Kluegel updated the Board with respect to the Roland Ford court
case, in which Mr. Ford was told to clean up his property to the
satisfaction of the City before December 3 or face a 30 -day jail
sentence. To date, little has been done in this clean up effort.
The meeting adjourned at 9:50 P.M.
•
•
•
Notes of accessory building tour 11/3/84
1. The first home we visited was the Chilson residence on
8075 Aenon. It was an acre lot with a 24' X 24' detached
accessory building near the back lot line. The siding and
roof matched the home.
2. Neil Banta is proposing to put up an accessory building -
would like a 1000 square foot building. He had staked out
an area of 760 square feet and 1000 square feet. His lot
is one acre.
3. Next stop was at Wally Ostlie's home. He has 4 acres with
a pole building of 1000 square feet. The side walls were
10' high.
4. The fourth stop was at 7815 Knoll Drive. It was an acre lot
and the accessory building matched the house, and attached
garage. The home next door had a three car garage with an
accessory building similar in construction near the back lot
line.
5. We next viewed a storage building on Rohavic. The building
is 16' X 16' on an acre lot, and matched the house in construc-
tion.
6. During the tour we noticed a home on the east side of town
where the accessory building of pole type construction was
built closer to the road than the house.
7. The accessory building of pole type construction at 6198 Holly
Drive is 4000 square feet and on a 12 acre lot.
8. Concerns expressed during the tour:
a. Height of accessory building
b. Height of side walls
c. Possible 10' side setback on all lot lines for major
construction.
d. Architectural design - buildings that were of the same
design and construction as the home, appeared to be the
ideal situation for acre size lots.
9. Other concerns:
a. Kloesner /Goertz has a lot of scrap material.
b. The lot split at 6198 Holly Drive -- does it split all
the way to the road?
c. No road in Sherwood Green development, i.e., houses
built on Greenwood Lane and it is not paved.