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Planning and Zoning Board
May 11, 1983
The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Planning and Zoning Board was called
to order at 7:35 P.M., Wednesday, May 11, 1983 by Vice Chair, McLean.
Members present: Goldade, Ostlie, Klaus, Doocy, McLean. Members absent:
Johnson. Chairman, Prokop will arrive later. Mr. Kluegel, Zoning Official
was also present.
MINUTES
Mr. Goldade moved to approve the minutes of the April 13, 1983 Planning
and Zoning Board meetingas presented. Mrs. Klaus seconded the motion.
Motion declared passed.
RESOLUTION FOR RECLASSIFICATION OF A PORTION OF ASH STREET (COUNTY ROAD J)
Mr. Art Hawkins who owns the only property to the north of Ash Street in
this area was present to give his views of the reclassification. He pre-
sented a map showing his property. When 35E was constructed it split his
farm. He now owns land on both sides of 35E. He explained he was not
concerned with the reclassification itself. He was concerned that the
reason for the reclassification was for a long range proposal for a dia-
mond interchange on the north side of Ash Street at 35E. This would affect
his property (about 6 acres) on the east side of 35E. He felt if there will
be a diamond interchange he hoped they would take the entire parcel. He
411 felt if only a portion was left it would be useless.
Mr. McLean said that the Planning and Zoning Board could recommend that the
diamond interchange be eliminated from the Comprehensive Plan. This would
remove the City's interest in the interchange. He felt this would help
in controlling the lake and prevent this area from becoming another dumping
ground. Also if residences were constructed in this area it would give the
City an additional taxable base where a diamond interchange would not. He
felt a complete diamond interchange would not have a real impact on the
traffic patterns.
Mr. Ostlie asked Mr. Hawkins if his concern was that if this bacame a full
diamond interchange he would not be adequately compensated for the land?
Mr. Hawkins said, yes.
Mr. McLean said he felt what Lino Lakes should be doing is removing the
recommendation of a diamond interchange at this location.
Mrs. Klaus felt a need should be shown for a full diamond interchange.
Mr. McLean felt the request for reclassification from Ramsey County is so
the County can have the entire Otter Lake Road in Ramsey County reclassified
for State Aid purposes. Mr. Kluegel said he had talked to a Ramsey County
Engineer who said the reason for the request is to make this portion of
Otter Lake Road conform to the County Comprehensive Plan. This engineer
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had also said there were no plans to alter or up grade Otter Lake Road in
any manner.
Mr. Goldade asked why Lino Lakes had proposed a full diamond interchange
in their Comprehensive Plan? This was unknown.
Mr. Goldade felt it would not have much impact on the City either way since
most of the traffic is south of Ash Street.
Mr. Ostlie felt he would rather leave the Comprehensive Plan as is if it
were not for the question of adequate compensation for Mr. Hawkins.
Mr. Doocy moved to recommend that the City keep and maintain County Road
J (ASh Street) east of 35E as a collector street, and recommend disapproval
of Ramsey County's request to reclassify it to a more intense use. The
motion was seconded by Mrs. Klaus. Motion declared passed. Mr. Goldade, Nay.
The Board felt there should be a study to show the need for the reclassif-
ication and upgrading of Ash Street.
VARIANCE - NOREN
r. Jerome Noren asked the Planning and Zoning Board for a variance to Ord-
inance #85 (Moratorum) so that he can deed ten plus (10 +) acres to his son
who wishes to build a house. This property is in the Rural classification
and meets all requirements in the proposed Zoning Ordinance for subdivision
in a rural area. There is a 66' wide strip of land running east from this
parcel. Mr. Noren explained many years ago this was a hunting access to
the now dead Cedar Lake.
It was noted that under the proposed ordinance a variance will not be re-
quired for a long driveway. He was told that the driveway will have to be
constructed and maintained to provide access for emergency vehicles.
Mrs. Klaus moved to recommend approval of the variance for Mr. Jerome Noren
on property at 6198 Holly Drive. This subdivision is in conformance with
the Comprehensive Plan and the new proposed zoning ordinance. Mr. Goldade
seconded the motion. Motion declared passed.
Mr. Noren was told this item would be carried to the Council on May 23, 1983
and he should be at that meeting.
FEASIBILITY - VARIANCE, BRUGGEMAN
Mr. Bruggeman came before the Board to talk about a plat revision and the
feasibility of dividing several outlots on Bald Eagle Lake in the area of
West Oaks into small 25' wide lots to be sold with lots on the west side
.of Bald Eagle Road. This would be a matter of marketing for him. He said
there would be parking on the west side of the road for these lots.
Mr. Ostlie asked if this was commonly done? Mr. Bruggeman did not know.
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Mrs. Klaus asked if this was mainly to offer access to the lake? Will there
be docks? Mr. Bruggeman said possibly.
Mr. McLean felt there would be a problem with accumulating a lot of material
on this property and there would be a traffic problem. He also felt that
if the landowner wanted he could sell his lake lot to someone living outside
of Lino Lakes. Mr. Bruggeman said he would combine titles of the house lot
with the lake lot so this could not be done.
Mr. Prokop felt the land was very low and marshy and was under the impress-
ion that the area was designated by the Department of Natural Resources as
a northern pike spawning area. Mr. Bruggeman said it was a spawning area.
Mr. McLean said his personal feelings are that there is a safety problem
with this proposal and common docking would be more feasible.
Mr. Prokop noted that this area is designated as Rural (10 acre minimum)
in the proposed zoning ordinance. This subdivision would not be consistent
with this ordinance or the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. McLean noted this item does not need Planning and Zoning Board action
and it is the feeling of the Board that this is not a feasible plan.
ler here were several residents from West Oaks in the audience and they voiced
opposition to Mr. Bruggeman's proposal.
PROPOSED ORDINANCE - LIMIT TIME ON BUILDING PERMITS
Mr. Kluegel explained that at the last Planning and Zoning Board meeting
the Board had asked him to come to them with a suggestion on a proposed
ordinance for setting time limits on building permits.
Mr. Kluegel explained the City is currently following the state building
code but a stricter ordinance can be adopted by the City setting time limits.
The problem of temporary occupancy permits was discussed. Mr. Kluegel
explained he can issue a temporary occupancy permit when the safety and
health situations in a building are met.
Mr. McLean asked if it would be possible to put a time limit on a temporary
occupancy permit?
Mr. Goldade said he favored some sort of time limit, however, he felt people
who build their own houses need every encouragement.
Mr. McLean felt the phrase "good and satisfactory reason" for extending the
time limit for a temporary occupancy permit was too liberal. He felt City
Attorney, Hawkins could add tighter language to this passage.
IIIThe proposed zoning ordinance was consulted and there was a definition of
"Temporary Occupancy" in this ordinance. Mr. McLean suggested maybe the
temporary occupancy portion should be eliminated from the proposed zoning
ordinance. Mr. Prokop asked how then would you take care of a "hardship
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situation ", or what if a partially completed building is destroyed and the
builder has to start over? Mr. McLean said through the variance procedure.
Mr. McLean said he favored the idea of the house being totally completed
before any occupancy be granted.
Mr. McLean said he is suggesting that there be a 120 day limit to get the
house (building) sided. Mr. Goldade suggested in addition that the build-
ing be ready for any occupancy permit in 140 days. This may be a temporary
or a complete occupancy depending on how much of the house (building) is
completed. Mr. McLean suggested further that maybe a temporary occupancy
permit should be renewed with a renewal fee.
Mr. Ostlie suggested that maybe the 140 days be changed to 180 days for
an occupancy permit. It would be up to the Building Inspector to determine
if a temporary occupancy permit or a permanent occupancy permit should be
issued.
Mr. Ostlie asked if there should be the clause that the house be started
within 90 days of issuing the permit. Why not just say the house must be
started and the exterior be completed within 120 days. The feeling was the
90 day limit on starting the building was a good tool for prodding.
•he consensus was that the house (building) must be started within 90 days
or the permit lapses. The exterior must be finished within 120 days and
must be ready for occupant' (temporary or full) within 180 days. Mr. McLean
asked Mr. Klegel to check with Mr. Hawkins regarding the "good and satis-
factory reason" clause.
OLD BUSINESS
Mr. Ostlie asked about the Shoreland Management Ordinance. Mr. Kluegel said
Mr. John Stein from the DNR will attend the next Planning and Zoning Board
meeting. Mr. Prokop suggested approaching the DNR about the Bruggeman lot
split request and see what their feeling is about this.
Mrs. Klaus asked when there will be a new Planning and Zoning Board member.
It was explained that Mr. Johnson has not officially submitted his resignat-
ion. When this happens the Council will appoint a new member.
NEW BUSINESS
Mr. Kluegel reminded the Planning and Zoning Board of the continuation of
the public hearing on the proposed Zoning Ordinance and Zoning Map set for
May 24, 1983 at 7:00 P.M. at City Hall.
Mr. McLean asked about the Dennis Wegan property. Mr. Kluegel explained he
is now building a house next to his pole building. The water problem with
•r. Sherer has been before the Council and should be resolved.
Mr. Doocy asked if the Planning and Zoning Board will be involved with the
BMX race track in the City Park? Mr. McLean felt this was not compatable
with a ball field or picnic area which had been established by the Lion's
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Club. There will be traffic and parking problems with this track.
Mr. Prokop was concerned about what happens when you esculate the use of a
park. He used a park in White Bear as an example. Mr. Kluegel told the
Board the Council had asked Mr. Volk and Mr. Schumacher to work with the
track promoter in this matter.
Mr. McLean said there is suppose to be a "play back" between the Park Board
and the Planning and Zoning Board. Maybe the present Park Board does not
know about this aspect. Mr. Doocy suggested the exchange of minutes between
the Park Board and Planning and Zoning Board.
Mr. Kluegel said the Sign Ordinance will have to be reviewed by the Board.
Mr. McLean felt there should be large improvements on this ordinance.
Mr. Prokop moved to adjourn at 9:35 P.M. Mrs. Klaus seconded the motion.
Aye.
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