HomeMy WebLinkAbout02/19/1992 P&Z MinutesChairperson Fred Chase called the Planning and Zoning Board to
order at 7:00 P.M. on February 19, 1992 at the Lino Lakes City
Hall.
#1. Answering to roll -call were Al Robinson, John Bergeson, Fred
Chase, Robert King and Monika Slatten.
Other consultants /staff present were Darrell Schneider, City
Engineer; John Powell and Ian Burrell, Consulting Engineers; Public
Works Director, Don Volk; Alan Brixius, Consulting Planner; and
support person Joyce Lund.
#2. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES OF 12 -11 -91
Monika Slatten moved to accept the minutes of the 12 -11 -91 meeting.
Robert King seconded the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
ADDITION OF NEW AGENDA ITEM
Chairperson Fred Chase proposed to add a new agenda item
P & Z #92 -02 Minor Subdivision /Variance for Susan Augustine as
agenda item 3A. Al Robinson made the motion to add the agenda item
as 3A, Robert King seconded the motion and the motion carried
unanimously.
OPEN MIKE
There was no one in the audience to appear at OPEN MIKE.
#3A. CONSIDERATION OF MINOR SUBDIVISION /VARIANCE FOR SUSAN
AUGUSTINE P & Z 92 -02.
Darrell Schneider addressed the Board on behalf of Susan Augustine,
6591 Elmcrest Avenue. Apparently there was a larger lot split
prior to 1985. An East - West, line of Parcels C -1 and C -2 on a
current survey, passes through a garage presently built on Parcel
C -2.
In order for Parcel C -1 to be sold (there is a buyer) it is
necessary to either move the garage (at a cost of $2,000.00) or
realign the lot line.
By moving the lot line 28.08 feet to the south, the garage on
Parcel C -2 will be 10.3 feet north of the moved lot line. Yet
there will be 30 feet of width added to Parcel C -1, which in the
future could be added to a 30 foot width from Parcel C -2 to provide
a 60 foot wide road.
The variance is needed to add the dimensions of the width of the
parcel as it is reduced from 58.08 feet to 30 feet.
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Al Robinson questioned where on the property will the proposed
construction be to allow for a 800 foot set -back. Mr. Tubbs, the
realtor for Susan Augustine - who was in the audience, stated the
construction will be at 650 feet from the road.
Monika Slatten asked why the diagional line is on the survey, and
Mr. Schneider explained that it lines up with the crossing across
a pond, it is build up with a culvert. Mr.- Tubbs said a
preliminary driveway is already in place. Mrs. Slatten also asked
if this met with the approval or Robert Sorg. Mr. Tubbs stated
that both parcels belong to Susan Augustine.
Motion: Al Robinson made the motion to recommend to the City
Council approval of a Minor Subdivision for Susan Augustine, P & Z
92 -02. John Bergeson seconded the motion.
Fred Chase made the comment that with a variance there is a need
for a finding of fact and 1) 58 feet is not wide enough for a road
and more land is needed from the adjacent property owner and 2) 30
feet definitely needs more land from the adjacent property owner
and better indicates this circumstance.
The motion carried unanimously.
Motion: Robert King moved to recommend to the City Council
approval of a Variance for Susan Augustine, P & Z 92 -02. Al
Robinson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
#4. JACK MENKVELD ADDRESSED THE BOARD
Mr. Menkveld is proposing a plat of 34.66 acres, and 56 single
family homes known as The Shores of Marshan Lake, formerly known as
the Forjay property, on Elm Street and Lake Drive. Mr. Menkveld is
aware that because of the Shoreland Ordinance there several
undersized lots that will need a variance.
Alan Brixius addressed the board. Mr. Brixius has reviewed the
plat and is ready to comment verbally and in the staff report that
has been sent to the Board. Mr. Brixius noted issues of rezoning
from R -3 to R -1, environmental impact upon the adjacent Marshan
Lake, length of blocks of over 900 feet in length, units above the
100 year floodplain, lot sizes, screening, set - backs, termination
of streets, grading and drainage, proposed parkland does not
fulfill the requirement, and location of the trail. Mr. Brixius
recommended solving these problems rather than applying for
variances.
John Bergeson asked Don Volk the elevation of the water table five
or six years ago when the City had to provide transportation to low
lying areas. Mr. Volk stated he did not know, but the DNR had
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records. Ian Burrell stated he had found the DNR had done a survey
in 1986 and found a high water level on trees of 885.5, and Marshan
Lake in 1975 was at a high water level of 885.2.
Mr. Menkveld asked where in the City process was the plat of
Marshan Shores. He believed it had been tabled at the City Council
level and has not been sent back to the P & Z. Mr. Chase said the
issue before the Board was approval of the preliminary plat and
then variances.
Darrell Schneider asked Mr. Menkveld if he had received a report
from the Rice Creek Watershed. Mr. Menkveld said no, however they
are to meet on February 26. Mr. Burrell said he had spoken with
the Rice Creek Watershed and they indicated they needed more
information from Mr. Menkveld and the issues would not be on the
February 26th agenda.
John Bergeson asked about: 1) screening for lots that back up to
the church property and Lake Drive. Mr. Menkveld said that he
intended to use the nursery stock that was left on the Forjay
property, 2) an odd shaped lot at Block 3, Lot 7 should be "squared
off" so it would not hinder the traffic flow, 3) he is concerned
about the high water on the north end of Block 2, 3) stormwater
drainage /ponding and 4) the trails should be moved closer to the
water.
Fred Chase commented that he has observed sufficient problems in
the concept plan that need to be corrected and would recommend the
plan be tabled.
Motion: Monika Slatten moved to table the concept plan of Marshan
Shores until items in question are resolved. Robert King seconded
the motion. On a roll call vote: Al Robinson - abstain, John
Bergeson - aye, Robert King - aye, Monika Slatten - aye.
Jack Menkveld asked just what he had to do before the next meeting.
Mr. Chase asked Mr. Menkveld to redesign lots, apply for variances,
keeping in mind the City does not like to issue variances near
wetlands, and provide documents from the RCWD, DNR, and ACOE.
Al Robinson said he had abstained in the vote because of the
rezoning question (R -3 to R -1). He did not want anyone to expend
any more monies because the issue had been tabled at the City
Council level. Mr. Menkveld thinks the Council wants issues settled
before they give approval for the rezone. Mr. Schneider said Mr.
Menkveld will have to decide about how far to pursue the rezoning
if the property owners could sell the property as multiple family.
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Al Robinson said the Board had dealt with developers twice before
and because of wetlands had to redesign their plats to stay away
from the high water mark. John Bergeson said it would be better to
approve a variance on the South rather than on the North where it
is so flat and close to the high water mark. Robert King said he
was not receptive to variances toward the North, Monika Slatten
agreed.
Al Robinson asked where is the holding pond. Mr. Menkveld said it
is behind Lots 10 and 11.
#5 OLD BUSINESS
There was no old business.
#6 NEW BUSINESS
There was no new business.
#7 ADJOURNMENT
Motion: John Bergeson made the motion to adjourn. Robert King
seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
Ernie Zelinkla asked if it were possible to request a special
meeting when all of the documents and issues have been resolved for
the Shores of Marshan Lake. The consensus was yes, there have been
special meetings.
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