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Home My WebLink About08/27/1986 Council Minutes184 SPECIAL JOINT MEETING Council, Comp. Plan Task Force August 27, 1986 City Administrator, Randy Schumacher called to order the special meeting between the Lino Lakes City Council and the Comprehensive Plan Task Force at 7:10 P.M, Wednesday, August 27, 1986. He ex- plained that the purpose of the meeting is to discuss the present status of the comprehensive plan review, the building standards recently proposed by the Planning and Zoning Board, and the issue of Rice Lake Estates R -7 zone and manufactured homes. Attendees: Council: Mayor Benson, Councilmen Reinert, Marier, Bisel. Task Force (includes P & Z Boardmembers): Klaus, Prokop, Nelson, Averbeck, McLean, Doocy, Joyer. Others: Kluegel, Building Official; Schumacher, City Administrator; Wuornos, City Planner; Foster, Secretary; Several citizens in audience. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN Mr. Wuornos explained that the comp plan task force has been directir he and Mr. Johnson, the City Planners, as to what research is needed to update the comp plan for the City. To date extensive research has gone into this project with regard to comparing the existing zoning of the city versus the zoning in the comp plan; soil and water constraints; growth pressure; appropriate collector street systems, etc. The Comp Plan Task Force budget has been exceeded to date for this project. The Task Force is requesting that the City Council author- ize necessary money for planner fees in order to complete their efforts. Currently the status of the project is that it is to the point of decision making on policies regarding densities, sewer extension and facilities and phasing of residental development. The consultants' efforts for the remainder of the comp plan update involve the preparation oftext revisions, graphics, and draft document. The estimated cost for completion of this project is 12,DUO - $3,000 per R. L. Wuornos & Associates (see 8/19/86 memo). Mr. Schumacher asked whether this figure would include the final documents and -text necessary to actual amend the comp plan. Mr. Wuornos answered yes. Mr. Schumacher stated that City Charter re- quires that any department that exceeds their budget must have Council approval and the Council authorization to amend that budget Mr. Reinert stated that he appreciates the efforts of the task forc members, and feels that the responsibility for the cost overrun on this project lies with the planning consultants. If the Council were to authorize the money necessary to complete the project, the planner fees involved would be nearly double the original estimate. Mr. ; Wuornos said that part of the reason for this overrun is that certain research needed to be completed for Met Council regardir,7 1 1 1 185 2I AL JOINT HE_..T:iV'3 v H- s = ..ha._ r e c:c ..at feel this additional a_ cost shouted be considered _ "cost overrun", because this work as recteo by the task force although _r was :iot anticipated and thus J_ included in the original estimate for t ne project. . McLean asked Mr. Wuornos if Wuornos & Associates would be le_ .ng to guarantee the $3,000 figure to complete the project. first Mr. Wuornos said yes, if the project could be completed in two more meetings. Mr. .McLean.sa.id.four more meetings is what he felt would be necessary. Mr. Wuornos then agreed to guarantee -_•_e 53,000 figure to complete the project including up to four __e meetings of the task force. ..a w-cr Benson asked if the task force feels that they have diaested the report -from Net Council regarding services. Mr. McLean and Mr. Joyer stated that they do feel that the task force understands the tand taken by .the Net Council. Mr. McLean said that he feels that et Council is open to extensions of sewer in Lino Lakes. Attendees debated their opinions as to traditional planning versus non- traditional planning for development, one -acre lots versus larger acre lots, services and road maintenance, - °rowth pressure, e o. Mayor Benson asked whether or not the task force will look a: sewer extension possibilities in other parts of the City, spec_ - - c� commercial yV'.r. McLean said no, this is not • .� idly the .,. �nercra areas. .� . Le�__ sa�.� ..�, .. .cciuded in the scope of the comp plan review at this time. The C t'ZT Counci will take action on possibly amend. ng the comp plan budget at their next meeting. ;TILDING STANDARDS PROPOSAL ivir. Schumacher explained that the purpose of this portion of the meeting is to discuss the proposed building standards for com- arcial and industrial zones in Lino Lakes. Reference was made o R. L. Wuornos Associates' memo dated 7/9/86 on this subject. _r. S:.:umacher stated that one cf the ccntroveraial issues which has come to his attention is within (G)_.(3)(i), Page 3 of the referenced memo, wherein the proposal stat -mss "No building shall constructed with a wood frame or have an exterior wall surface s eet metal ." Me. ,ers of the P & Z Eoard stated that although the 'Inc wood =.came" aspect was not a specific requirement when the planner asked to draft a proposal, the Board did realize that the c wood frame" aspect had been included in the planner's draft. Several persons in t. e audience were opposed to the proposal tor the following rea.sons . 186 SPECIAL JOINT MEETING August 27, 8986 Page Three Glenn Rehbein: "Too restrictive considering no services are avail- able." Gene Mobley: "Insurance rates are high because of no services and owners of concrete buildings as proposed would not be able to benefit from lower insurance rates because of the lack of services." Carpenter: "Too restrictive for the present definitely and even ten years into the future too restrictive." Others felt that not so restrictive specifications are needed. councilman Bisel said he was concerned for the tax base in Lino Lakes (26.7) as compared to the surrounding communities (18.9 - 10.8). He felt that commercial development was necessary to better Lino Lake& figure. Councilman Reinert stated that the City is in a quandry because the restrictions set on extending utilities are set by the City Charter. Mrs. Avebeck suggested that a possible way to create an aesthetical pleasing atmostphere around lesser expensive buildings (possibly even the pole buildings which would be eliminated by the reference proposal) would be to require extensive landscaping of the grounds. Mayor Benson suggested that actual standards and specifications be proposed, summarizing from this evening's meeting and the P & Z Board put together a proposal to send to Council in the near future. RICE LAKE ESTATES Mr. Schumacher explained that the developer for Rice Lakes Estates has requested that the City Council approve a "manufactured home" for Rice Lake Estates which meets the state building standards. The state building standards exceed the HUD standards. The current City ordinance requires in an R -7 zone a manufactured home which has a permanent chassis and meets HUD standards. Rice Lake Estates was zoned R -7 a number of years ago and the City allowed small lots and streets to accommodate the "manufactured home ". The Rice Lake Estates developer wants to start construction in 30 days. In looking over the material available, it was the consensus of those in attendance that the "manufactured home" proposed is much nicer looking and appears to be a higher quality home than the minimum which the ordinance will allow. Mr. Schumacher also 1 1 1 187 SPECIAL JOINT MEETING ..ugust 27, 1986 Page Four made note that should the City allow Rice Lake Estates the require- ments spelled out in the current ordinance, this would have a major affect on the tax increment financing project which the City is currently trying to put together. Mr. Prokop voiced his concern that the original intent in naming Rice Lake Estates a R -7 zone was to provide affordable homes on smaller lots and streets, and to vary from the original intent would not only set a precedent, but also the homes would not be the affordable home intended and the lots and streets would be sub - standard. This issue was not resolved at this meeting. The recommendation by the majority of those in attendance was that if there is any way to allow the nicer quality, nicer looking homes proposed, that is the favorable option. Staff and Council will look into this further. These minutes were considered and approved at a regular Council meeting on September 8, 1986. Mari n -1111P 111111.11111. Anderson, City Clerk Ben amin , Mayor