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JOINT COUNCIL MEETING DECEMBER 7, 1987
A joint Council meeting was called to order by Mayor Benson
at 6:43 P.M., December 7, 1987. Lino Lakes Council Members
present: Bisel, Marier, Bohjanen, Reinert. Centerville
Council Members present: Walt Newmann and Mayor L'Allier.
Other persons present: Art Moher, Asst. Chief, Station No.
3, Desmond Englund, Chief Station No. 3, Norman Fritchie,
Centennnial Fire District Commissioner, Archie Gay, District
Chief, Bill Bruen, Spectator, Tammy Miltz- Miller,
Centerville City Clerk, Neal Benjamin, Centennial Fire
District Commissioner, Andy Neal, Centennial Fire District
Commissioner, Randy Schumacher, Lino Lakes City
Administrator and Marilyn Anderson, Lino Lakes Clerk.
Mayor Benson noted the subject of the meeting is discussion
of fire station no. 3.
Mayor L'Allier explained that the Centerville City Council
wanted to meet with the Lino Lakes City Council to discuss
the replacement of station no. 3. The Centennial Fire
District had discussed putting the new fire station no. 3 in
Lino Lakes near the intersection of Birch Street and
Centerville Road. However, Centerville is interested in
looking into replacing station no. 3 and combining it with a
new municipal building and place it where the ice rink is
now located.
Mayor Benson said his concern regarded station no. 2 in Lino
Lakes. He asked why the Fire District is looking at
replacing fire station no. 3 when station no. 2 is not
operating at 100% capacity. He explained that fire station
no. 3 should be just a fire station regardless of location
and not combined with another building use. he asked about
time frames and allocation of costs.
Mr. Marier asked what the Fire District's plans were for
station no. 2 and how does that affect station no. 3. Mr.
Andy Neal explained that the Fire District is looking at
getting station no. 2 opened and operating by July, 1988.
Fire Chief Gay said the District is trying to get the
manpower for the station by July, 1988 but the remodeling
and other aspects of the station will come through the 1989
Budget. Mr. Marier noted that the District has station no.
2 that cannot be made functional and now they want to start
a new station. Chief Gay said this would not be a new
station, just a replacement of an old station.
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Mayor Benson asked Chief Gay if he thought station no. 3 was
operable and functional. Chief Gay said that this station
has many problems. He explained the main function is time
and this station is not adequate in that respect.
Mayor Benson asked why was this proposal presented at this
time. Mr. Benjamin explained it was presented now because
station no. 3 is a disaster and should be considered a
separate issue from station no. 2. Station no. 3 is in a
fast developing area and the question is when do adequate
facilites come? Mayor Benson noted that no one was
challenging the fact that the facilities at station no. 3
are not adequate. He noted that the City of Centerville has
voted on bond issues twice and they both failed. However,
he expressed suprise because the Fire District has prepared
time frames and discussed costs before getting together with
the Cities who are to provide the funding. Is the Fire
District asking for acceptance of this plan or is this a
mandate? Mr. Benjamin explained that the Cities need to
come together and address the problem and agree on a target
date.
Mr. Neal asked the Centerville representatives when they
planned to have the new station no. 3 completed. Mayor
L'Allier explained that the City of Centerville has had two
bond issues before the public and both were'defeated. The
Centerville Council would like to see a new fire station but
do not agree that the present station is a disaster area.
Mr. Neal said suppose station no. 2 is completed and at full
manpower, could station no. 3 be closed and the equipment
moved to station no. 2? Chief Gay said he would not like to
jeopardize one community to benefit another. Mayor L'Allier
said that he wanted the new station no. 3 located in the
City of Centerville.
Mr. Marier asked if there was a location on the John
Peterson property to build the new station no. 3. Mayor
L'Allier explained.
Mr. Fritchie said he has heard rumors that Lino Lakes was
considering financing a dual station. It was determined
that these rumors were unfounded. Mr. Fritchie said he did
not believe that the fire station no. 3 replacement plan was
cast in stone. The District Representatives and
firefighters have expressed their concerns but location of
station no. 3 is a key item for discussion. Mr. Neumann
agreed and noted cost is also a factor. Mayor Benson said
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that as long as everyone is together we should address
station no. 2 as well as station no. 3 and such issues as
location and time frames.
Chief Gay asked when did the Lino Lakes budget set priority
for station no. 2. Mayor Benson said 1989.
Mr. Bisel asked if all sign posts were removed (no
boundaries between cities) what critera would be used for
establishing a fire station. Mr. Fritchie said first what
is the source of persons who would be staffing the station;
second, where will the incidents be happening and third,
what is the time element. Mayor Benson asked where the
staff for station no. 3 comes from. It was explained that
seventeen come from Centerville and others come from the
East Shadow Lake Drive area and the Birch Street,
Centerville Road area. The manpower is basically within a
half mile radius of the fire station. Mayor Benson asked
where do most of the calls come from and what types of calls
are they? It was explained that the majority come from
towards station no.2 or along Birch Street or the East
Shadow Lake Drive area.
Mr. Neumann said he wanted to meet tonight to see how Lino
Lakes feels about the letter from the Fire Commission. He
said he is on the long range planning commission and he
feels station no. 3 is not an urgent question. However, if
we are going to proceed he wanted to see how much each City
was going to be involved.
Mayor Benson said one question that needed to be answered is
where will the population be. He noted that Lino Lakes
expects about 200 new homes in the Birch Street area and
possibily the population in that area could be 2,000 or
3,000. He also expected industrial growth along 35E and he
also envisioned an influx of homes in the southeast portion
of Lino Lakes. Chief Gay suggested maybe there should be a
fourth station. Mayor Benson suggested that the Fire
District look at a total goal for the District. He
suggested that maybe the Fire Districts proposal was
premature and suggested that the Fire District look at the
long term growth in all three Cities. Mr. Fritchie noted
that Lino Lakes Comprehensive Land Use Plan was used in
designing this framework. Mr. Schumacher explained where
the urban development areas were located in Lino Lakes and
Mr. Reinert suggested that numbers in terms of population
growth could be projected using this information. Mr.
Schumacher explained that the City Engineer is preparing an
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amendment to the Lino Lakes Comprehensive Land Use Plan and
he will also project population figures.
Mr. Benjamin noted that the Fire Commission did not have
this information for preparing this report. Mr. Schumacher
explained the update is just now being completed and said
maybe the Fire Commission should not be looking at a new
station no. 3 but rather a new station no. 4. The Fire
Commission can re- evaluate now that they have both Councils
feelings. Mr. Marier also noted that if a fire station is
located within a certain radius, insurance rates drop and
this should be taken into consideration when informing the
public regarding the benefits of a new station.
There was discussion regarding how the joint powers
agreement addresses new stations. Mr. Schumacher explained
th joint powers agreement.
Mayor Benson asked Mayor L'Allier what he would like to see
happen. Mayor L'Allier said he would like station no. 2
operable and station no. 3 upgraded and then look at the
possibility of station no. 4. Mayor Benson suggested that
station no. 4 could be built before station no. 3 is
upgraded and then some equipment from station no. 3 could be
moved to station no. 4 while no. 3 is being upgraded. He
also suggested that station no. 4 could be the largest
station since this is where a large portion of Lino Lakes
population will be. Mayor L'Allier agreed that station no.
4 may be the largest statiion but felt there was a need for
a fire hall and municipal building in Centerville because
the need in Centerville is growing before the need for a 4th
station in Lino Lakes.
Mr. Fritchie asked about the far east side of Lino Lakes.
Mayor Benson noted this area was isolated and suggested the
Fire District might have to look at an alternate plan for
that area. It has the longest response time.
Mr. Reinert asked what items F & G on page 4 of the Fire
Report dealt with. Mr. Fritchie explained. Mr. Reinert
asked why it was so important to locate station no. 3 in
Centerville. Mayor L'Allier explained that if the Fire
District were to dissolve, he would not want the Centerville
fire station located in Lino Lakes. Mayor Benson said he
was concerned with the entire east side of the Fire District
and tried to wipe away all city lines. He said he did not
envision Centerville not having fire protection. Mr.
Englund suggested that the Fire District get rolling on this
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matter. He also suggested forming a committee between the
two Councils to study the matter.
Mayor Benson said that in his opinion by the end of 1989
station no. 2 will be fully operational, the addition will
be completed and all men will be trained. He asked if by
forming a committee would the Councils be intervening where
Commissioiners should be? He suggested that the Councils
give the Commissioners direction and oversee their work and
be more specific in plans for future growth of each city.
Mr. Bohjanen said he did not feel that the Fire District
needed two more people from each Council to give direction.
Mr. Benjamin noted that the system is there to do the task.
Mr. Reinert said the land use information is available and
would be helpful. Mr. Bisel said he was concerned about
some areas and suggested that if decisions were going to be
made, city boundaries would have to be ignored and do what
is best for the entire community.
Mr. Marier said he had a problem with financing fire
projects. Mr. Schumacher explained each City is responsible
for capital costs of the fire buildings within its
boundaries. Mayor L'Allier asked how do you work out a
joint financial venture? Mr. Marier felt there was not much
room in Centerville for a new station. He asked what was
the agreement of their future Councils. Thre was no
commitment from Lino Lakes on Mr. L'Alliers question and he
then noted that it appeared that Lino Lakes was not
interested in going in with Centerville financially on
station no. 3. He did note that the Centerville Council
felt a bond issued would fly if the fire station was
combined with a municipal building.
Mr. Benjamin said that the Fire Commission will have to get
specific directions from each Council and then take a
broader look at the entire district. Mayor Benson suggested
that the Fire Commission could form a subcommittee for this
purpose. Mayor Benson said that the Lino Lakes Council
would give specific direction at the December 28th Council
meeting. He also noted that this process may not take place
as quickly as everyone would like. He also noted that
locations of fire stations would determine time frames. Mr.
Schumacher noted that it was critical that capital costs be
kept on a level basis and also there were a lot of different
financing packages to look at.
Mr. Fritchie asked that the Council positions be put in
writing. Mr. Englund said he would get potential growth
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figures from the City Planners and Engineers. Mr. Benjamin
said he would want to know the planned development for the
35E area since the Fire District is limited in the servicing
of certain height on buildings.
Mayor Benson thanked everyone for coming this evening. The
meeting adjourned at 8;02 P.M.
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