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COUNCIL MEETING FEBRUARY 8, 1988
The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes City Council was
called to order by Mayor Benson at 7:20 P.M., February 8,
1988. Council Members present: Bisel, Bohjanen, Reinert.
Council Members absent.: Marier. City Administrator, Randy
Schumacher; Engineer, Ron Stahlberg; Attorney, Bill Hawkins;
Building Inspector, Pete Kluegel; Public Works Director, Dori
Volk and Clerk- Treasurer, Marilyn Anderson were also
present.
CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES
January 25, 1988 Work Session - Mr. Bohjanen moved to
approve these minutes as presented. Mr. Reinert seconded
the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
January 25, 1988 Regular Session - Mr. Bisel moved to
approve these minutes as presented. Mr. Bohjanen seconded
the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF DISBURSEMENTS
January 31, 1988 - Mr. Bisel moved to approve these
Disbursements as presented. Mr. Reinert seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously.
February 8, 1988 - Mr. Bohjanen moved to approve these
Disbursements as presented. Mr. Reinert seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously.
OPEN MIKE
No one appeared under Open Mike.
CONSIDERATION OF ANNUAL APPOINTMENTS (CON'T FROM JANUARY 12,
1988)
Planning and Zoning Board —Mayor Benson noted that Mr. John
McLean's and Mr. David Cody's terms expired December 31,
1987 and both have indicated that they wish to be
reappointed to the Board. In addition applications from
Elmer Crohn, John Bergeson, Kurt Beseke and Marcia Broas
have been received. Mayor Benson noted that all candidates
have been sent questionnaires and were invited to attend
tonight to answer any questions that the Council may have.
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Mr. Reinert moved to reappoint David Cody. Mr. Bohjanen
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bisel
said he had contacted the current Board members and they are
ail pleased with Mr. Cody's leadership.
Mayor Benson noted that Mr. McLean is out of the state and
could not be here for further questions from the Council.
Mayor Benson asked the new applicants to make a statement to
the Council.
Elmer Crohn, 8021 Aenon Place - Mr. Crohn explained his
thirty years of background in real estate and noted that he
retired in 1986 but has continued as a fee appraiser for the
Veterans Administration. He felt the major issues facing
Lino Lakes included increasing the tax base by bringing in
industry and the orderly transition of expansion of Lino
Lakes. He explained if a conflict of interest arises he
would inform the Board of this and abstain from voting on
the issue. He felt his role on the Board would be reviewing
plats, variances, etc. for compliance to applicable City
Codes and make recommendations to the Council. Since he is
retired he would not have a problem with the amount of time
needed to fill this position.
John Bergeson, 6996 West Shadow Lake Drive - Mr. Bergeson
explained that he is the chief financial officer for Bethel
College and is currently serving on the Lino Lakes Economic
Development Committee. He felt he had a good understanding
of issues that will come before the P & Z Board and he would
come to the Board without any vested interest since he is
not involved in any real estate in Lino Lakes other than his
home. He felt the major issues facing Lino Lakes is the
need for an overall plan for development that can stand the
test of time. He also felt it was important that citizens
have ownership in that plan. If a matter of conflict of
interest came before the Board Mr. Bergeson said he would
refrain from the discussion and would not vote on the
matter. Mr. Bisel was concerned because if Mr. Bergeson was
appointed to the P & Z Board, he would be a member of two
important Boards. Mr. Bergeson said he felt it was
important that these two Boards coordinate their work effort
and he could fill that role.
Mayor Benson had a problem with one person being on two
Boards. This has not occurred in the past and he was
concerned about the time commitment involved.
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Kurt Beseke, 1209 Rondeau Lake Road West - Mr. Beseke
explained that he has been a resident of Lino Lakes for
twelve years and is self employed in construction. Ile has
been watching the area grow and would like to see the area
develop into a larger area to attract more businesses for a
tax base and yet retain a family community feeling. He felt
the major planning issues include development of the sewer
and water facilities to attract commercial users.
Marcia Broas, 1059 Oak Lane - Ms. Broas explained that she
has been employed by Northwestern Bell Telephone for the
past sixteen years and has lived in Lino Lakes since 1984.
She was attracted to the ruralness of Lino Lakes. She noted
that as of yet she is unfamiliar with most of the issues
currently before the Board but felt that this may be an
advantage because she would not come to the Board with
biased opinions. In matters of conflict of interest, Ms.
Brows said she would disqualify herself from voting. She
felt since she has some flexibility in her job she would not
have a problem with the amount of time required for the
position.
Mr. Bisel thanked each individual who appeared before the
Council tonight and noted that the Council is always looking
for individuals willing to serve on the volunteer boards and
committees.
Mr. Bisel moved to appoint Mr. John Bergeson to the
remaining Planning and Zoning Board position. Mr. Bohjanen
seconded the motion. Mr. Reinert felt this would be setting
a precedent with one person serving on two major boards and
expressed concern about the time commitment. Mayor Benson
also expressed concern regarding one person serving on two
major boards. Mr. Bohjanen said he would like to see this
tried for a while to give the two boards an opportunity to
work together.
Voting on the motion, motion failed with Mr. Reinert and
Mayor Benson voting no.
Mr. Bohjanen moved to appoint Elmer Crohn to the vacant
Planning and Zoning Board position. Mr. Reinert seconded
the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Bisel moved to send Mr. McLean a letter thanking him for
his past years of service. Mr. Reinert seconded the motion.
Motion carried unanimously.
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Fire Commission - Mayor Benson explained that the two
Commissioners are appointed at the pleasure of the Council.
Both Commissioners have expressed interest in remaining in
their positions and an application has been received from
Mr. Lance Olson. Mr. Olson was unable to attend this
evening because of his work commitment but, did ask that he
be considered for a position. Mr. Bohjanen moved to table
consideration of this appointment and ask Mr. Olson to
attend the next Council meeting as well as ask Mrs.
Elsenpeter if she is still interested in continuing in the
position of alternate. Mr. Bisel seconded the motion.
Motion carried unanimously.
Fiscal Agent - Mr. Schumacher explained that he has received
two proposals for the position of fiscal agent and the
Council has asked that he make comparisons of the two
proposals.
Mr. Jim Casserly of Publicorp, Inc. gave a brief background
of his company. He outlined the issues in which his company
has been involved and also noted that Mr. Hawkins has an
interest in this company. He noted that although his
company is a comparatively new company, the people involved
with the company have had many years experience in the field
and would give Lino Lakes the benefit of their individual
expertise.
David MacGillivray and Ronald Langness of Springsted, Inc. -
Mr. Langness explained that his company has been in business
for over fourty years and has served Lino Lakes since late
1960. He gave further background information about the firm
which includes forty staff members.
Mayor Benson explained that although the Council designates
a City Attorney, City Engineer or City Fiscal Agent, the
City can also use other consultants for specific projects.
He wanted this kept in mind when making the decision
tonight. Mr. Reinert felt it was important to have someone
that the City Administrator feels comfortable with and asked
if he had a recommendation. Mr. Schumacher said he did not
want to set policy in this matter.
After further discussion, Mr. Bohjanen moved to appoint
Springsted, Inc. as City Fiscal Agent. Mr. Reinert seconded
the motion. Motion carried with Mr. Bisel voting, no.
Mayor Benson thanked both firms for their presentation
tonight.
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PUBLIC HEARING - 74TH STREET - RON STAHLBERG
Mayor Benson opened the public hearing at 8:26 P.M. Mr.
Stahlberg explained that this project was initiated by a
petition received by the City Council and included the
upgrading of 74th Street all within the North 1/2 of Section
18, Township 31, Range 22. He explained how the street
would be upgraded to include storm sewers according to
current City standards. He noted that since the lots along
this street are large the assessments would be large as
well.
Mr. Stahlberg further noted that the proposed extention of
sewer and water utilities will be near this area. If this
li occurs these lots may be subdivided. In addition he
wondered if it would be wise to proceed with this
improvement if sewer and water extensions were just a few
years away. The streets could be upgraded at the time these
u t i l i t i e s come into the area.
Candy St. Clair, 129 - 74th Street - Mrs. St. Clair
explained that she was the one who initiated the petition
but was not aware of the huge costs and is now dead set
against the project. She felt the City made a mistake when
it did not make the developer improve the street. She
suggested that the City look at just upgrading with Class V.
Thomas Bergren, 108 - 74th Street - Mr. Bergren said he was
against the project because sewer will probably come in the
near future and everything should be done at one time. He
said there was not enough people using the street to warrant
such an improvement.
Karen Torell, 7401 Patti Drive agreed with Mr. Bergren.
David Fiorek, 22 West Road, Circle Pines owner of Lot 3,
Block 10, Sunset Oaks did not see a benefit anywhere.
Dennis Schultz, 159 Marvy Street said he did not see a
benefit for him since he uses Marvy Street as his access
road.
Ronald Hale, 7401 Jeanne Drive said he saw no practical use
for him since he uses Jeanne Drive.
Wayne Sanders, 121 Marvy Street also uses Marvy Street for
access.
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Mr. Florek asked why the developer was not required to put
in the street? Mr. Schumacher explained that there was no
existing policy at that time. There was only one half of a
right, of way available so it would have been impossible.
Jack Menkveld, Blaine, Minnesota explained that he was the
developer and asked if this could be funded through General
Funds. Mayor Benson explained that this is prohibited by
the City Charter. Mr. Menkveld further explained that when
his plat was recorded the City Council only required that he
complete the streets within his subdivision. He did not own
all the right of way for 74th Street and therefore he could
not upgrade it.
Mayor Benson asked what the cost would be if the street were
upgraded but not blacktopped. Mr. Stahlberg said about one
half. Mayor Benson asked Mr. Volk about grading and keeping
the surface serviceable. Mr. Volk said it is basically a
problem in the spring and since there are so few houses on
the street not much has been maintained.
Mr. Florek asked how can the City assess residents when it
is a mistake of the City. Mr. Stahlberg noted that when Mr.
Florek purchased his lot, the purchase price was based on
the condition of the street. If the street was improved
before the lots were sold the price of the lot would have
included the cost of the street improvement.
Mr. Bisel moved to adjourn the public hearing at 8:47 P.M.
Mr. Bohjanen seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
Mayor Benson noted that maybe this improvement is premature
since utilities may be available in the near future. The
residents feel the improvement is unnecessary and cost
prohibitive and want to wait and see when utilities do come.
There was discussion regarding how the road could be made
serviceable until it is upgraded. Mayor Benson said that
since the citizens are against the project the Council
should direct the Public Works Director to do the best he
can to direct the water from the roadway. This feasibility
study will be kept on file for future reference.
Mr. Reinert moved to terminate the project and retain the
feasibility report on file. Mr. Bohjanen seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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The Council took a five minute break at 8:55 P.M.
CONTINIJATION OF PUBLIC HEARING - -- ED VAUGHAN CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT, GAME FARM
Mayor Benson opened the continuation of the public hearing
at 9:03 P.M. Mr. Schumacher updated the Council regarding
this matter noting that at the last Council meeting he and
Mr. Miller were instructed to draft somesafe guards. Mr.
M=iller has prepared a memorandum for the Council with this
information. Mr. Schumacher explained some of the suggested
conditions in the memorandum especially the suggested
vegetation buffer. There were questions regarding buffering
the proposed ballfields in the school property and question
regarding the internal policing program condition. Mr.
Reinert felt this last item was vague. Mayor Benson asked
about the fencing that was talked about at the last meeting
and asked if the demensions of the hunting area had been
established.
Bill Nadeau, 6687- 20th Avenue explained that most of the
property is bordered by woods or water and felt there was no
way to set a point where the game farm begins. He said Mr.
Vaughan has allowed slug hunters to hunt on his property and
if he has not given them permission that demonstrates that
he cannot control his property. He also noted that dogs are
trained at Wild Wings Game Farms and you can hear the noise
for a mile or more.
David Dunn said he leases some of the property for bow
hunting and has bow hunted as much as five days a week on
the farm. He explained that the hunters he has encountered
on the Game Farm are small groups and very controlled. Also
he has never seen a slug hunter on the property. He felt
that conservatively there are two to three times more people
hunting around the game farm than on the farm. He felt the
people allowed on Mr. Vaughn's farm are not reckless.
Brandon Curtis, 6595 Gaage Lane asked if the Council was
aware of the DNR regulations that require signs posted in
designated areas and the requirement for maintenance of a
log for DNR. Mayor Benson asked for a copy of these
regulations. Mr. Curtis said he was concerned for safety
issues such as liability on the school and park properties.
He asked what would keep animals on Mr. Vaughan's property
and keep them from flying onto the roadway. He asked for
statistics regarding sound carry and shot carry. He felt
this would do something to the value of his property.
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Mike Mastro, 155:3 LaMotte Road -- Mr. Mastro said shot gun
sound travels a great distance. He noted that on several
occassions his neighbors were threatened and intimidated by
Mr. Vaughan and asked what would happen if someone did cross
onto his land, what would his action be?
Francis Bernier, 1430 Karth Road asked if the Council has
reconsidered the current gun ordinance. Mayor Benson said
not yet. Mr. Bernier said he has a right to protection
against noise pollution.
Paul Behr, 6415 Joyer Lane said he had no qualms about the
game farm.
Pershing Weaver, 1199 Birch Street explained that the game
farms borders the entire north side of his property and he
said he would rather have controlled hunting on that
property because a lot of illegal hunting takes place there
now. He said Mr. Vaughan keeps people out that should not
be there. Mayor Benson asked what type of hunters use the
property now? Mr. Weaver said mostly deer hunters and they
have caused problems for the bow hunters.
Margaret Langfeld, Anoka County Commissioner indicated that
the Chain of Lakes Park Reserve will not support or oppose
the game farm. However she was happy to see the
stipulations and said fencing sounds like a good idea.
There should be a clear delineation of where park property
begins and noted that the park will do considerable amount
of signing. She asked if hunting will be prohibited in the
crop buffer?
Mr. Curtis said the main concern is noise and said there may
be far more shooting off of the game farm especially around
the lakes to the north of the game farm.
Mr. Bernier agreed that there may be shooting around the
game farm but he felt he was talking about the noise that
came from the game farms traveling to the south where the
area is clear and the noise would travel further.
Elwin Klimek, 1390 Karth Road told the Council that slug
hunting is occurring south of his property and south of
Holly Drive.
Mr. Nadeau said these were not just leasure hunters, this is
two groups of four hunters for each group. He said there
were not that many pheasants around. He asked how many
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people were going to have to put up with this just for his
benefit.
Mrs. Weaver told the Council that she felt that the
controlled hunting was much better that letting anybody come
at any time without any regulations.
Mr. Curtis asked if Mr. Vaughan could establish 100 acres
for hunting within the boundaries required by DNR?
Mr. Bisel asked if the City has a lease with the school
district and also asked who would assume liability if
someone is injuried on the school property. Mr. Hawkins
explained that the hunter would be responsible, not the
owner. He also explained that if someone went off the game
farm and hurts someone, the hunter is still responsible.
Mr. Bisel asked about the internal control. Would Mr.
Vaughan establish a policy that would spell out when the
policy were to be called and what the police responsiblity
is? Mr. Vaughan noted that he has been operating for
eighteen months and the police have never been called.
Someone from the audience said that if there was a great
amount of snow during the hunting season possibly the crop
buffer area would be unrecognizable. Mr. Cardinal explained
what is planted and explained how there is no hunting in the
corn crop since it is planted for deer.
Mr. Bisel felt the only problem concerns the noise and asked
if a decimal test has ever been conducted on gun noises. A
gentleman asked if the Council had actually looked at the
property. Mayor Benson and Mr. Reinert said yes.
Mr. Bohjanenn said he had toured the area and asked if the
school property can be buffered in some way. He noted that
at times you can hear shooting all over Lino Lakes and this
will continue for some time to come. He was concerned with
the safety factor.
Mr. Curtis noted that some property to the south of the game
farm is for sale and asked who would buy this when a game
farm is directly accross the road. He said he felt his home
would be devalued. He asked if this would make Mr. Vaughan's
property commercial and would he pay commercial taxes?
Mr. Nadeau said that corn could not be planted as a buffer
from the County Park because the area is either wooded or
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separated by lakes. If a buffer is required between the
school property, this will eliminate most of the hunting
area. Mr. Vaughan felt that requiring a buffer between the
school property would be excessive.
Mayor Benson explained that the DNR regulations will have to
be considered especially regarding signs. He also noted
that 100 hunters will make a lot more noise than twenty
seven hunters.
Mr. Reinert asked Mr. Hawkins what was required of the City
for issuing a Conditional Use Permit. He said we must be
sure that the City meets all of its obligations. Mr.
Hawkins explained that the City will have to list its
reasons for approving or denying the request as well as
making certain that all requirements of the ordinance are
met. Mr. Bisel asked where Mr. Miller got his
recommendation for a 600 foot buffer. Mayor Benson said
that the City ordinance calls for a 500 foot buffer. Mr.
Hawkins suggested that the City contact the City of Hugo
since they went through a similar situation. He also noted
that the PCA must have standards or guidelines.
Mr. Reinert moved to extend the hearing and direct the City
Administrator to look at these issues as they relate to the
ordinance and develop answers taking into consideration the
noise pollution, buffer, county park issues and all concerns
that have been raised. Mr. Bisel seconded the motion.
Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Schumacher explained that this may take more than two
weeks and the Council asked that this item be placed on the
March 14, 1988 agenda.
Mr. Bohjanen moved to continue the meeting until the
business at hand is completed. Mr. Reinert seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously.
SIGN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NO. 02 - 88 - SECOND READING
Mr. Bisel moved to table this item until the next Council
meeting. Mr. Bohjanen seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
SECOND READING - DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE NO. 01 - 88 TO
IMPLEMENT INCREASED MINIMUM STANDAROSFOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, CREATE EXECUTIVE HOUSING DISTRICT,
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ZONING ORDINANCE REVISION NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT THE THE
COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN
Mayor Benson explained that a petition had been received
from residents on Marshan Lane opposed to the rezoning of
the church property. He suggested that this are be required
to be buffered.
There was discussion regarding lot sizes and Mr. Reinert
noted that his original motion went along with the Planning
and Zoning Board in regard to lot sizes and with the City
Planner with regard to square footage of a house. Side yard
set backs were not addressed and Mr. Reinert said it was his
intention to have the side yard set backs remain as it
currently is. Mr. Bisel suggested taking another look at
this and bringing it back to the next Council meeting.
Mr. Reinert was concerned about a buffer and noted that a
buffer could not be required in a rezone, this must be
controlled when the site plan is reviewed.
Mr. Bisel moved to table item Ordinance No. 01 - 88 until
the next Council meeting and return this item to the
Planning and Zoning Board for clarification on the set back
requirement and whether a buffer can be required for a
rezone. Mr. Bohjanen seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
Mr. Mastro from the audience asked if the proposed Lakeview
Place plat will be required to follow the new guideline
regarding lot sizes and house sizes. Mayor Benson explained
that this proposal was received prior to the ordinance
becoming effective.
CONSIDERATION OF METROPOLITAN WASTE CONTROL COMMISSION JOINT
LAND USE AGREEMENT FOR 1988
Mr. Schumacher explained the agreement the City has worked
under with the Metropolitan Waste Control regarding the
operation of the lift station on Black Duck Drive.
Currently Meto Waste Control maintains two of the three lift
stations in Lino Lakes and the maintenance of the third lift
station is shared by the two entities. Mr. Bisel moved to
approve the Joint Land Use Agreement for 1988. Mr. Bohjanen
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
PARK BOARD REPORT - RANDY SCHUMACHER
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Consideration of the Park Board's Proposal to Conduct a Park
Needs /Citizen Attitude Survey - Mr. Schumacher explained
that the Park Board has considered several methods of
obtaining citizen input regarding City parks. The Board is
recommending a written survey as proposed by Lee Mehrkens.
Mr. Bisel moved to have the City proceed to do a citizen
survey as outlined in Lee Mehrkens letter of January 26,
1988 for a fee of $3,950.00 and have the City Administrator
set areas for polling, and also get Lee Mehrkens to present
his proposal to the Council. Mr. Reinert seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Consideration of a Proposal from the Rice Creek Trails
Association - Mr. Schumacher explained that this
organization presently maintains snowmobile trails in one of
the City parks but has requested to change the route of that
trail. The Park Board has reviewed the request and
recommends approval and Mr. Volk has written a memorandum
indicating that there would not be a problem with the
request. Mr. Reinert moved to approve the recommendation
with the stipulation that a Certificate of Insurance be sent
to the City Office for the file. Mr. Bisel seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously. This will be reviewed
on an annual basis.
ATTORNEY'S REPORT - BILL HAWKINS
Mr. Hawkins did not have a report.
ENGINEER'S REPORT - RON STAHLBERG
Status Report on Second Avenue - Mr. Stahlberg noted the
proposed improvement of 2nd Avenue because of the planned
extension of sewer and water in that area. He noted that
the Rice Creek Watershed District has recommended in their
draft 509 Plan that wetlands be used for retention of storm
water runoff. He suggested that the Council acquire right
of way for drainage and holding ponds for the 2nd Avenue
project. He gave his opinion as to where this ponding could
occur.
OLD BUSINESS
Gaughan Companies Extension - The Gaughan Companies has
written requesting an extension of the 180 day Exclusive
Negotiations Agreement between the Gaughan Companies and the
City of Lino Lakes. Mr. Reinert moved to approve this
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request. Mr. Bisel seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
Masterson & Company -- Additional Depository - Mr. Schumacher
explained that the City has used this firm for several
investments and asked that this firm be included in the
approved City depositories. Mr. Reinert moved to approve
this request. Mr. Bisel seconded the motion. Motion
carried unanimously.
Letter from Chief Campbell Regarding Hunting Comp] iits -
Mayor Benson noted receipt of this letter and asked that
consideration of hunting complaints be included on the
agenda for the second meeting in April.
NEW BUSINESS
Mr. Bohjanen noted that he had attended the Public Hearing
conducted by the Minnesota Transportation Finance Study
Commission. He gave further information on this Hearing to
Mr. Schumacher.
Cable T V Porno Cleanup Project - Mayor Benson said this had
been brought to his attention. Mr. Hawkins noted that there
has been federal legislation that has pre - empted local
regulation. Mr. Schumacher said a letter has been received
from the Cable Commission on this matter.
Mayor Benson noted receipt of a letter from Richard Taube
expressing concern regarding the development prospects for
Lino Lakes.
Legislative Action Conference- Mayor Benson asked the Clerk
to register him for this Conference. Mr. Reinert asked that
he be registered as well. Mayor Benson asked Mr. Schumacher
to put together some items that he specifically wanted
addressed.
Mr. Bisel moved to adjourn at 10:50 P.M. Mr. Bohjanen
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
These minutes were considered and approved at a regular council
meeting on February 22, 1988.
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