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COUNCIL WORK SESSION APRIL 6, 1989
A work session of the Lino Lakes City Council was called to
order by Mayor Benson, Thursday, April 6, 1989 at 4:00 P.M.
Council Members present: Neal, Bohjanen, Reinert. Mr. Bisel
arrived later in the meeting. City Engineer, Ron Stahlberg,
Administrator, Randy Schumacher and Clerk - Treasurer Marilyn
Anderson were also Present.
WEST CENTRAL TRUNK IMPROVEMENT
Mr. Stahlberg displayed two tag boards with maps referring to
the above referenced improvement. One board contained a map
showing the original route of the main trunk lines through
the rear lots of five Rustic Lane landowners. The second tag
board contained a map indicating a revised route for the main
water trunk line running north on Sunrise Avenue to Rustic
Lane then on Rustic Lane to Glenview Drive then east
approximately 400 feet then north. The forced main sewer
trunk main would start at the lift station on North Road then
go north on Sunrise Drive to Gladstone Drive, then east to
Antelope Drive to a lift station at this point. He noted
that the'd•ifference in construction costs for the alternate
route would eventually be less than the cost for the original
plan. The alternate route would generate more hook ups,
would be sized to service the shopping center area, would
mean that there would be no utilities in wetland, would not
require a DNR permit except for dewatering, there would be no
right -of -way costs and would also avoid traffic concerns.
The disadvantages would be a moderate increase in power
costs, $50,000 additional construction costs, and would mean
that the lift station planned for sometime between 1991 and
1995 would be moved up to 1989.
Mr. Stahlberg recommended that the Council amend the
improvement project to include the alternate route rather
than the route through the wetlands. Mr. Bohjanen asked what
would happen to the lift station located across the street
from My Place on the Lake. Mr. Stahlberg explained that it
would continue to service the Rice Lake Estates area and
eventually the area on either side of Lake Drive to the
north.
Mayor Benson noted that the bottom line is that the alternate
route is cheaper and in the best interest of the City. He
asked Mr. Stahlberg if the shopping center plans changed the
thinking regarding this improvement. Mr. Stahlberg said yes
along with the fact that recently several preliminary plats
have been submitted to the City Planner that were not
anticipated during the planning of the original route. In
addition there is a proposal to continue the trunk main lines
all the way to Main Street.
Mayor Benson noted that he has talked to several of the
- Rustic Lane residents but none have contacted city hall to
Set another negotiations session. He felt that it would
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probably be a moot issue and suggested that the Council make
a decision on this matter on Monday, April 10, 1989.
FIRE DISTRICT STEERING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS
Mr. Schumacher handed out a memorandum dated April 5, 1989
outlining the status of major issued discussed by the
Steering Committee to date. The major issues include Fire
District formula, voting /budget and the purchase of
equipment.
The position of the Steering Committee with regard to the
Fire District formula is to have the value of each home
reflected in the formula, ie.:
$80,000 Home = $32.46 for fire protection in Lino Lakes
= $29.32 for fire protection in Circle
Pines
= $33.61 for fire protection in Centerville
When the dollar difference between the cities exceeds a
certain percentage, the low community will have to pay the
higher community the difference. The question is at what
level does this kick in? If it exceeds 59, 109 or 159? In
addition this formula would be re- evaluated each year to see
that it is working as the Steering Committee had envisioned.
Mayor Benson explained that the whole idea behind this
formula is equal fire cost for all homes thoughout the
Centennial Fire District. The budget for the Fire District
will be established two or three years in advance and this
will help equalize the cost.
Mr. Bohjanen asked if the renegotiated contract will cost
Lino Lakes less than operation of its own fire department?
Mr. Schumacher explained that this would be hard to
calculate and that is one reason that the Lino Lakes Steering
Committee members are trying to negotiate a shorter Fire
District contract.
Mr. Reinert expressed concern about using an average
$80,000.00 home. He noted that in Lino Lakes the average
value of a home will steadily increase and asked what this
would do to the new formula. Mr. Schumacher said in theory
nothing. Every resident in the Fire District would pay the
same fire cost on an average priced home no matter what the
average price may be. Mr. Reinert asked Mr. Schumacher to
provide the Council with fire costs on a $90,000.00 and a
$100,000.00 home in all three cities of the Fire District.
He explained that he was concerned that the formula might be
over simplified and not be what the Council understood.
Mayor Benson asked each Council Member for their opinion of
the proposed funding formula. All Council Members agreed to
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pursue this direction. Mayor Benson said it does guarantee
that all homeowners pay the same dollar amount for fire
coverage if they have the same home value.
Mayor Benson explained that an independent Lino Lakes Fire
Department has been'considered. The "start up" cost would be
approximately $500,000.00. The concern would be where would
we get enough trained fire fighters. He noted that if Lino
Lakes can negotiate a five or ten year contract with the Fire
District, then after that period of time there will be
trained fire fighters in Lino Lakes and this City will be in
a better position to start a Lino Lakes Fire Department. We
will have trained men and equipment and be in a much stronger
negotiating position in the Fire District. As for now, he
felt that Lino Lakes should stay in the Fire District, help
establish a budget two or three years in advance and put caps
on the budget similar to other City operating departments.
Mayor Benson addressed voting strength in the Fire District.
He suggested that if a decision in the Fire District is not
unanimous, Lino Lakes should have a 50% or higher valued vote
since Lino Lakes is paying a larger share of the cost of the
District. This would refer to budget considerations only.
Capital equipment and buildings would be a different matter.
Mr. Schumacher explained the second most important issue is
the operating budget. He suggested that the budget be put
back in the hands of each city council in the Fire District.
It should relate to levy limits or the cost of living factor.
If there is a reason to exceed the agreed upon limits, the
decision should be the concensus of all three Councils. He
suggested that the same formula be used when purchasing major
equipment.
The third issue is the purchase of equipment. Currently the
purchase of equipment is a part of the budget submitted to
the three Councils. He suggested that the new Fire District
contract contain minimum level funding for equipment. This
would be a previously agreed upon dollar amount to be set
aside in a "sinking fund ". The Fire Department can then make
its own determination as to what equipment to purchase each
year. If the purchase is significant, then the three Councils
should make the decision by unanimous vote. If the Fire
Department decides not to purchase equipment in a given year,
the amount will remain in the "sinking fund" and be added to
the following years deposit. The control of the "sinking
fund" remains in the control of the three Councils at all
times.
Mayor Benson noted that he felt the Steering Committee should
become a permanent committee. It should meet two to four
times a year and address concerns as they arise and not allow
a situat -ion similar to this one again.
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Mayor Benson referred to a list of fire equipment prepared by
the Fire Chief that may be needed by the Fire Department
within the next ten years. The total cost is $1,672,000.
This list includes an aerial ladder. It was suggested that
this piece of equipment be deleted from the list and looked
at in the future by'all three Councils. It was noted that
for 1989, there is $92,000 in the Fire District budget for
Lino Lakes. Mayor Benson suggested that possibly the amount
budgeted for the "sinking fund" for each of the next ten
years should be $80,000. There was discussion regarding how
Lino Lakes would finance their portion of the $80,000. Mr.
Schumacher explained that normally this type of equipment is
purchased with equipment certificates. He suggested that
this method be continued. There was additional discussion
regarding whether or not $80,000 was sufficient to cover
replacement equipment and additional equipment needed to
equip the new fire stations. It was suggested that the
Lino Lakes Steering Committee members propose $100,000 per
year for this fund. Mayor Benson also noted that whatever
Lino Lakes puts into this fund, Lino Lakes will be able to
draw it out if the Fire District is dissolved. Therefore, if
at some point Lino Lakes decides to establish a Lino Lakes
Fire Department, there will be funds or equipment already set
aside for Lino Lakes. Mr. Schumacher said that at this point
it is important that a plan for purchasing equipment not
financing equipment be drawn.
Mr. Bisel noted that it would cost about $500,000 to start a
Lino Lakes Fire Department.' Suppose Lino Lakes costs in the
Fire Distist are 60% or 70 %. At what point would it be more
feasible to start a Lino Lakes Fire Department. Mr.
Schumacher explained that it would be difficult to determine.
It is certain that there would not be the same level of
service and it would cost slightly more to operate our own
department in year #1. It would be difficult to answer this
question regarding five or ten years in the future. Mr.
Bisel asked what effect commercial growth would have on a
fire department. Mayor Benson said he personally felt a Lino
Lakes Fire Department would not be able to operate as
efficiently as the Fire District.
Mr. Bisel asked what effect would contracting the east side
of Lino Lakes to Hugo or White Bear Lake have on the cost of
a Lino Lakes Fire Department. Mr. Schumacher noted that the
response time would be the same as the Centennial Fire
District and he could not tell if there would be an
appreciable difference in costs. Mr. Reinert said that he
would rather pay 60% or 70% of an above average Fire District
than something well below average. He suggested that the
City wait until fire fighters are better trained and new
equipment and buildings are in place before we seriously look
at a Lino Lakes Fire Department.
Mr. Bisel noted that the "out" clause of the Joint Powers
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Agreement was really bad. Everyone agreed and Mayor Benson
said that this is an item that will be brought forward for
review at one of the Steering Committee meetings.
There was discussion regarding the change in mood within the
Joint Steering Committee. Mr. Reinert noted that the level
of respect has risen and everyone is more amiable.
There was discussion regarding the length on the renegotiated
Joint Powers Agreement. It was agreed to keep the time
period as short as possible, possibly five years.
A permanent Steering Committee was discussed. It was
suggested that this committee be elected officials and not
firemen or Fire Commission members.
A concensus of opinion is needed on the following topics:
1) capital outlay for equipment and should individual cities
retain ownership of the equipment; 2) fire stations, where
they will be located and who will pay for them; and 3)
operating budget, should it increase either on a cost of
living or levy limit basis annually? Mr. Schumacher asked if
the formula were to be determined based on inflation, should
there be a cap on inflation? Mr. Bisel said he was
concerned about costs getting out of hand and he did not want
to tie Lino Lakes into a long term contract. Mr. Neal said
he would like to get away from the Chairman Bruen situation.
Mayor Benson said he felt he had a good indication on how
this Council is thinking regarding the remaining points to be
negotiated. Mr. Bohjanen moved to adjourn at 5:35 P.M. Mr.
Bisel seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the Council
meeting on April 24 , 1989.
arilyn G
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Anderson, Clerk- Treasurer
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amin Benson, Mayor
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