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JOINT COUNCIL MEETING JANUARY 17, 1989
Mayor Benson called a Joint Meeting of the Lino Lakes,
Centerville and Circle Pines City Councils to order at 7:10
P.M., Tuesday, January 17, 1989. Lino Lakes Council Members
present: Neal, Bisel,'Bohjanen, Reinert. Centerville
Council Members present: Peterson, Zoff - Pelton, Burgstahler,
Mayor Haberman. Circle Pines Council Members present:
Parsons, Wagner, Steenberg and Mayor Dahl. Others present:
Circle Pines City Administrator, Keinath, Centerville City
Clerk, Mitz - Miller and Lino Lakes Clerk- Treasurer, Anderson.
Mayor Benson gave a brief background on the Centennial Fire
District and explained the reason for this meeting is to set
a committee to review the Centennial Fire District Joint
Powers Agreement. He noted that during the Lino Lakes budget
meetings, questions were raised regarding funding of the
District, the general purpose of the rescue unit of the
District, site selection, purchase of equipment, ability to
sell facilities and dissolution of the District. Mayor
Benson further noted that Lino Lakes is happy with the
service provided by the District and agrees with the concept
of the District.
Each Lino Lakes Council Member gave a brief summary of their
personal position regarding the Joint Powers Agreement. The
consensus being that the concept is good, there is concern
regarding a possible disparity in funding the District and
a need to address the several issues listed on the agenda.
Mayor Benson suggested that each of the three Council's
appoint two members to a steering committee to review the
Joint Powers Agreement. He also asked both the Centerville
and Circle Pines Council Members to list the concerns that
they may have regarding the Agreement. These items should
also be addressed. He asked that this committee meet and
report back to a joint meeting of the Council's on their
progress by March 1, 1989. A total agreement may not be
necessarily reached by that time.
Mayor Dahl noted that he wanted the Fire District to continue
and would have an open mind regarding making the Agreement
fair for all cities. He said he did 'hot have any concerns at
this time. He felt that the percentage of costs paid by
Circle Pines seemed to be. generally in line with the services
performed.
Mrs. Parsons asked if Lino Lakes had received the graphs
prepared by the Fire District as part of their budget
presentation. She said -she was interested to see what Lino
Lakes felt about them. Mayor Benson noted that they were
part of the reason that Lino Lakes was prompted to seek
negotiation regarding the operation of the District and the
funding. Mayor Dahl noted that it appeared that the
percentage that Circle Pines pays is higher than the service
rendered and said maybe there are ways the overall budget can
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be reduced. He noted that each city has different
restrictions and looking at ways to reduce calls may also
reduce the budget.
A Circle Pines Council member explained that the information
his Council is now receiving is by way of the media. He
expressed concern that this may not be accurate. He also
noted that this meeting should have happend six months ago
before the budget concerns arose and all the attention was
given to the matter in the media.
Mr. Reinert expressed discomfort with this type of meeting
and noted that the three communities are "plowing new
ground ". He felt a uniform code is needed for all three
cities and noted that there are many different ways to
distribute the cost of the services. He stressed that all
keep an open minded approach.
A Circle Pines Council Member noted that one of the problems
concerns the different geographic areas. He noted that
another problem concerns the budget process and explained
that Circle Pines completes their budget cycle just as Lino
Lakes is starting theirs. He said he hoped everyone will
keep an open mind and hoped to see the District continue.
Mayor Haberman of Centerville agreed and noted he felt there
were several things in the Joint Powers Agreement that need
review. His personal opinion is that Centerville has come to
this meeting with an open mind and feels it is in the best
interest of all three cities to work toward solving the
differences.
Mrs. Zoff - Pelton said she is in favor of continuing the Joint
Powers Agreement and said she truely believes that all three
cities benefit from the Fire District even with the present
formula. She expressed her concern regarding the letter sent
by Lino Lakes regarding this matter. She felt it was
important that the Fire District know that all three cities
are behind the District. She wanted assurances that the Fire
District could do what they had planned for 1989. Mayor
Benson explained that Lino Lakes approved the Fire District
budget contigent upon the renegotiation of the Joint Powers
Agreement similar to Circle Pines approving the budget
contigent upon Lino Lakes approving the budget. The
quarterly installments will be paid based upon the present
formula until a new formula can be negotiated and made
retroactive to January 1, 1989. The Lino Lakes Council did
not necessarily assume -that their portion of the budget will
be the same as it is now in the Joint Powers Agreement. He
also noted that Lino Lakes wants twenty five trained fire
fighters at. Station No. 2 by the end of 1989. Originally the
Council was told that this would be accomplished in 1989 and
now the Council has found that this is not what the District
really has in mind.
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Mrs. Zoff - Pelton asked if the three cities do not agree
regarding renegotiating the Agreement does this mean Lino
Lakes has not approved the 1989 budget? She said she is
wondering about Lino Lakes intent. Mr. Reinert explained
that the Council voted to approve the budget and the money is
there. He also said he hoped that Centerville and Circle
Pines will look at this in terms of going forward.
Mr. Bisel said he hoped that the Joint Powers Agreement could
be renegotiated so that it will include a budget process so
that each Council will have the feeling that there are checks
and balances in it similar to what is used for other city
departments.
Mr. Neal noted that every year the Fire Department has just
gotten by and this year the budget reflects a "catch up"
atmosphere. In his opinion, the budget looked good, his only
concern is the portion that Lino Lakes contributes to the
budget.
Mr. Bisel explained that he is concerned because Lino Lakes
is paying depreciation and the equipment is just junk. He
felt Lino Lakes has nothing to put their finger on after
payment of the depreciation. If Lino Lakes has to share in
the purchasing of equipment, Lino Lakes must have something
to show for it. Mayor Dahl felt that would only be necessary
if the District were to dissolve. If we have full faith in
the District, this would not be necessary. Mr. Bisel said
Lino Lakes has made depreciation payments for four years and
if the District is dissolved, Lino Lakes has nothing to show
for this. Mr. Peterson said he felt this was a negative
attitude. Mr. Bisel said that we are just Council members
and could be gone very easily. He felt the document needed
review to make things more equitable.
Mr. Steenberg asked what Lino Lakes brought into the
Agreement. Mr. Bisel said nothing and after four years Lino
Lakes still has nothing. Mr. Steenberg noted that if a fire
trunk were purchased tomorrow, then Lino Lakes would have
something. Mayor Benson said this is what has prompted Lino
Lakes to look at the Agreement. Lind' Lakes is growing and we
are saying we should look at this now and suggested that
maybe each city should buy its own equipment and lease it to
the District. He noted that he can envision that Lino Lakes
will need at least two more fire stations and Lino Lakes
wants to know if the District is looking in this same
direction.
Mayor Dahl said Circle Pines is willing to listen to Lino
Lakes concerns but noted that Circle Pines is more interested
in long term rather than short term interests of the
District. He asked if Lino Lakes has a fifteen year long
range plan? He said some answers such as these will come
from staff work. He also noted that as the District
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replaces its equipment, Lino Lakes will have something that
Lino Lakes can say this is where their money lies.
Mayor Benson suggested that all three Councils look at
appointing a steering committee to review the Joint Powers
Agreement. He felt a smaller committee would be more
effective. He explained that the Lino Lakes Council is on
record as asking for this committee and setting out March
31st as a date for obtaining an update from the steering
committee and May 31st as a date for completion of the
negotiations. Mayor Benson did not feel it was in the
interest of the District or the three cities to allow this
matter to linger.
Mrs. Zoff - Pelton noted that everyone is in agreement to meet
and review the Joint Powers Agreement and anything else that
needs review. She noted that her Council could not agree to
any changes tonight. Mr. Bisel noted that Lino Lakes is
looking for an agreement by May 31st.
Mrs. Zoff - Pelton noted that Lino Lakes has put a lot of
thought into what their concerns are and asked that these
concerns be forwarded to the steering committee ahead of time
so that the committee can review them. Mayor Benson said the
Council has tried to narrow their concerns and noted that the
new Agreement should contain wording that would require the
three cities to meet prior to the budget process to give the
Fire District more direction regarding the budget.
Mr. Steenberg asked where the Fire Commission fits into all
of this and noted that it is part of their responsibility to
work with the Agreement. Mr. Des Englund said that the
Commission feels a review of the Agreement is not a bad idea,
there are holes and inconsistencies. He suggested that one
member of the steering committee from each city should be a
Fire Commission member.
It was noted that an attorney other than a city attorney
should be retained to rewrite the Agreement. It was also
suggested that an expert be retained to advise the three
cities if they are getting something for their money.
Mayor Haberman suggested that each city be able to open
negotiations. He felt it makes no sense to let something get
away and suggested a process that would allow any city to
open negotiations on a particular matter.
It was agreed to appoint a steering committee consisting of
two persons from each of the three cities. These members
could be Council Members or Fire Commission Members. They
are to be given the perimeters and made aware of where each
city is coming from on each issue. An update from this
committee would be expected by March 31st. Mayor Benson
suggested that each city put their concerns in writing and
send a copy to the steering committee prior to their first
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meeting. He also suggested that the committee hold two
meetings in February. Mayor Haberman asked that there be
timely exchange of information between the cities so that all
information is shared and decisions can be made before the
meetings. He felt if this did not happen, the members would
just be spinning their wheels.
Mr. Peterson suggested a separate independent party chair the
steering committee. Mr. Keinath suggested that the Chairman
of the Fire Commission be invited as the seventh member of
the steering committee. Mr. Bisel said he felt it is just
the three cities responsibility to draw up the Joint Powers
Agreement and it is the responsibility of the Fire Commission
to follow what has been given to them. Mayor Dahl explained
that since they have to carry out the Agreement, it may be
helpful to get their input to be sure they can operate within
the Agreement. Mr. Reinert suggested that after the document
is renegotiated, the Fire Commission review it in terms of
operational procedures. Mayor Dahl suggested that each
Council decide if they want to appoint a Fire Commission as
one of their two steering committee members.
A chairman of the steering committee was discussed. Mr.
Reinert suggested that the administrators of the three cities
be the chair on a rotating basis. The purpose of the
chairman would be to keep the committee pulled together or to
be sure that the group focuses on the issue at hand.
Mr. Keinath suggested that if a concensus does not appear to
be growing by April 1st, the three cities look at mediation
services. He hoped that this would not be necessary.
Mr. Peterson suggested that all three Councils hold a monthly
joint meeting to measure what the steering committee has
accomplished. Mayor Dahl asked that each Council appoint its
members to the steering committee at their next regular
Council meeting.
It was decided to appoint Jim Keinath as the first chairman
of the steering committee. He is to call the first meeting
of the committee and gather the concerns of each Council for
that meeting.
The joint Council meeting adjourned at 8:30 P.M.
These minutes were considered and approved at a regular
council meeting on February 13th 1989.
M�ARI�LYN \. ANDERSON
Clerk- Treasurer
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B ,,JAMS"''. BE SON
Mayor