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COUNCIL WORK SESSION JANUARY 17, 1989
Mayor Benson called the Council Work Session to order at 3:00
P.M., January 17, 1989. Council Members present: Neal,
Bohjanen, Reinert, Bisel. Council Members absent: None.
City Attorney, Bill Hawkins; Public Works Director, Don Volk,
Engineer, Ron Stahlberg and Clerk - Treasurer, Marilyn Anderson
were also present.
Mayor Benson explained the purpose of the meeting is to
review engineering matters for the upcoming year.
MSA SYSTEM
Mr. Stahlberg explained the MSA rules and regulations
regarding the MSA fund balance for Lino Lakes and noted he
was concerned that Lino Lakes not be penalized for not using
its allotment. He noted that 4th Avenue was the last MSA
project completed in Lino Lakes. He also explained that if
Lino Lakes did not use a portion of their allotment, future
allotments could also be reduced.
Three possible MSA projects for 1989 were discussed: 1)
intersection of Lake Drive and Highway #49; 2) West Shadow
Lake Drive, Birch Street north to the County Park entrance;
3) Elm Street, Sunset to Lake Drive. Mr. Volk said he felt
that since the first item was a County and State
intersection, Lino Lakes should lobby both of them to upgrade
the area and not make it a City project. Mr. Reinert said he
felt it is important that the Lino Lakes citizens be informed
that if the MSA funds are not used, they are lost. Mayor
Benson said that it should be noted that whatever project is
selected, it would be a project that would have to be
completed in the near future and not just a project to use
the funds. This is money from the state aid funds and the
public should be educated on this subject.
Upgrading Elm Street was discussed. Mr. Bisel said he felt
it would be senseless to upgrade this street without putting
in the utilities. Development of a frontage road along the
freeway was also discussed and Mr. Stahlberg said this could
be built to meet state aid standards. He explained the area
east of 35E could be planned and the street built and then
the area could be marketed.
Mr. Stahlberg explained the map that was on the wall behind
the Council table. West Bald Eagle Blvd. was discussed
noting that it should be a county state aid road. Mr. Volk
said the only way he knew that Anoka County would assume this
street is to trade it for another County road. Mr. Reinert
suggested that Lino Lakes could tell the County that if they
accept West Bald Eagle Blvd., Lino Lakes would provide
uncontested fire coverage in the Regional Park.
There discussion regarding developing the industrial area
east of 35E and north of Main Street. Mayor Benson explained
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it could be developed similar to the area of 35W and County
Road C. It was noted that platting an area prior to any
expected development could also be a hinderance. Mr. Reinert
explained that sometimes you have to plan in advance to make
the amenities available. It was noted that in a true
industrial park concept, industries must fit into the scheme.
Mr. Bisel explained that the Economic Development Committee
(EDC) is dealing with this concept now. They do not want
helter skelter development. Mr. Reinert explained what
happened in Wausau, Wisconsin. Mayor Benson felt that what
ever is decided for east of 35E would not be done this year.
Mayor Benson asked if the extension of 7th Avenue South to
62nd Street could be considered this year. Mr. Stahlberg
explained the utilities should be completed with the street
and at this time there is not enough support for a gravity
sewer system.
Mr. Bisel referred to West Shadow Lake Drive and asked if the
County will eventually be able to get access to the golf
course through Aqua Lane. Mr. Stahlberg explained the
problems regarding archeology studies. He also noted that
permits would be needed to cross wetlands in this area.
Mayor Benson referred to 34th Avenue, north of Main Street
and asked if this could be pursued with Hugo and Anoka and
Washington Counties. Mr. Volk explained that he had met with
the Administrator of Hugo and this side of Hugo is low
priority for them. Mayor Benson said development in Lino
Lakes could force Hugo to change their priorities.
Mr. Stahlberg explained that Tilsen Homes have submitted a
potential development plan for property they own on Elm
Street and utility services would be needed for this
development. He also explained how utilities could be
installed on the rear of the lots on the north side of Elm
Street thereby eliminating the need to put utilities in the
street. Mayor Benson said he felt the citizens should be
asked if they want utilities first.
Mr. Bisel explained how he felt utilities could be placed in
Elm Street to Lake Drive and then north to service the entire
area south of 35W and Lake Drive. He'explained this route
could eliminate the need -to cross under 35W with utilities a
second time.
Mayor Benson discussed with Mr. Hawkins how the City Charter
prohibits the use of general funds for improvement projects.
Mr. Hawkins explained that generating enough funds to pay for
the improvement is difficult especially when the City has
adopted the policy of not forcing property owners along the
line to hook up to the services.
The Council asked Mr. Stahlberg to prepare a cost estimate of
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putting utilities under the freeway. The Council can then
make a decision regarding Elm Street after this cost figure
is know.
Mr. Reinert asked the staff to determine how old septic
systems are along Elm Street. He noted that possibly many
are old and will need upgrading. He suggested that maybe the
residents would rather replace them with city services. He
suggested that the staff hold another neighborhood meeting on
Elm Street and explain the importance of Elm Street in terms
of getting utility services to other sections of Lino Lakes.
Also they should know how this will impact them directly.
Mr. Bisel asked Mr. Stahlberg to prepare an overall plan and
cost estimate for the Elm Street area to Lake Drive and north
to 35W. He said he feels the 7th Avenue extension would be
his first alternative and West Shadow Lake Drive would be his
second alternative. Mr. Volk said that it may help to sell
the Elm Street project by delaying the bulk of the
assessments until the end of the assessment period.
Mayor Benson said if Elm Street is not a viable project his
choice would be: 1) West Shadow Lake Drive; 2) 7th Street
South; and 3) the street between Otter Lake Road and Bald
Eagle Blvd. Mr. Volk noted that if West Shadow Lake Drive is
not improved now there will be a need for major rebuilding in
the next three to five years. Mr. Reinert said this should
be pointed out to the residents.
HIGHWAY #49 AND LAKE DRIVE
This area was briefly discussed. It was noted that this
should be addressed by Anoka County and the State. Some
traffic patterns were discussed.
WEST SHADOW LAKE DRIVE
Mayor Benson asked that this be placed on the next Council
agenda.
DRAINAGE
Mr. Stahlberg has prepared and given' to the Council a
Comprehensive Storm Drainage Plan for a portion of Lino
Lakes, Cost Estimates for Ditch Cleaning for a ditch from
Birch Street north to Reshanau Lake, Cost Estimates for Ditch
Cleaning for a ditch from Main Street northwest to Wood Duck
Trail and northeast to the east plat line, and Cost Estimates
for Ditch Cleaning fora ditch from Main Street south to 35W.
He explained easements would be needed as well as permits and
field surveys. There was discussion regarding asking Rice
Creek Watershed District (RCWD) to participate in the ditch
cleaning and /or costs. Mr. Volk said his first priority woul
d be the ditch north from Birch Street to Reshanau Lake.
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There was discussion regarding funding the costs of these
three ditch improvements. It was suggested to approach RCWD,
Anoka County and the developers. It was noted that some of
the landowners have already said they would pay their fair
share. Mayor Benson suggested that Mr. Stahlberg prepare a
map showing ditches that have been cleaned and ditches that
still need to be cleaned.
There was discussion regarding obtaining easements for
ditches. Mr. Hawkins explained the process could take two
weeks to four months. He noted that some landowners are not
willing to give easements so that the City would have to
negotiate a price for the easements.
Mayor Benson said the City could do some arm bending on the
local RCWD member. Mr. Bisel asked that these three ditch
proposals be pursued with RCWD, Anoka County and the
developers. Mayor Benson suggested that in the future plat
approvals could include making the developer responsible for
ditches beyond his property line.
Mr. Stahlberg was asked to prepare a map showing what ditches
were cleaned and when and what ditches need to be cleaned and
when
WEST CENTRAL TRUNK RIGHT -OF -WAY AND PERMIT STATUS
Mr. Stahlberg pointed out property on 2nd Avenue belonging to
Mr. Steve Begenisich. He noted at the public hearing it was
proposed to allow this property two hookups. Now that the
utility trunk route will cross the entire length of the
property, several more hookups are possible. He asked Mr.
Hawkins if another public hearing will have to be held
because of this proposed change. Mr. Hawkins explained that
the landowner could petition to waive the public hearing. He
suggested Mr. Begenisich and any other landowner whose
assessment is proposed to be increased be contacted and
offered an opportunity to petition to waive a public hearing.
There was discussion regarding the proposal that will be
before the Charter Commission on Thursday. It was noted that
the Council could still allow landowners to petition out of
an improvement if the new proposal was adopted.
Mr. Hawkins explained he had to leave this meeting for
another commitment. He explained he had received a question
regarding his position regarding the negotiations of the
Centennial Fire District Joint Powers Agreement. He
explained that he and h-is firm would not be available for any
legal opinions or actions on this matter since he represents
both Lino Lakes and Centerville. He suggested that Lino
Lakes use David Kennedy if needed. ,
Section 18 - 19 Overall Plan - Mr. Stahlberg explained the
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plan is part of his presentation tonight and it is ready for
Council action.
Permanent Records - Mr. Stahlberg said he is working toward
preparing permanent drainage records for Lino Lakes.
Hopefully this will be complete within a few years.
Financing - Mr. Schumacher will address this item at a later
date.
WEST CENTRAL TRUNK RIGHT -OF -WAY
Mr. Stahlberg explained the trunk right -of -way is established
until it reaches just north of 35W. He discussed the Tilsen
preliminary plat for north of the freeway noting that there
will be no access to the plat from the Tilsen property to the
industrial area on the east side of the plat. The only
access to this property is to go south on Jon Street or go
east from Sunset Avenue.
Menkveld's Sunrise Meadows - Mr. Stahlberg explained the
original route of the utilities through the Sunset Meadows
plat. A route on the west side of the plat has been designed
to conform to the re- alignment of the trunk utilities
approved by the Council. This new route will require some
variances on some of Mr. Menkveld's lots. Mr. Volk said he
wanted to be sure there is a written agreement allowing the
City to go on the easements to maintain the trunk lines. Mr.
Stahlberg explained this is a disadvantage of placing trunk
utilities on easements rather than in the street.
EAST ASH STREET
Mr. Stahlberg updated the Council on this matter. He noted
there is no support from White Bear Lake or Ramsey County.
Mrs. Anderson explained that some of the new homes are
closing and are requesting dollar amounts for assessments.
This is not available and is making some people angry.
It was explained that it would be prohibitive for Lino Lakes
to build the road on Lino Lakes property only. Mr. Volk
felt it would be nice to build the street and not allow
access from Ramsey County. There was discussion regarding
moving the road and discussing this with the Ramsey County
residents on the south side of East Ash Street. Mayor Benson
asked that this be pursued.
CORRECTIONAL FACILITY FEASIBILITY STUDY
This report was included for Council information only. Mr.
Stahlberg expects the Correctional Facility to get back to
him on this matter. He was concerned about the legislature
appropriating funds for this improvement when the funds are
needed.
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS
Mr. Miller has submitted a memorandum on this matter. He is
recommending that the Comprehensive Plan be revised and a
public hearing scheduled.
SERVICE AREA ONE TRUNK SEWER CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE - (MONTAIN
PROPERTY)
Mr. Stahlberg explained the Montain property is on the market
again. He has been getting telephone calls asking when
utilities will be available for this property. He noted
problems with the force main and the need for the gravity
main. He also explained that Metro Waste Control should be
contacted regarding upgrading the lift station at Laurene
Avenue.
MIDWEST- CIRCLE PINES GAS EXTENSIONS
Mr. Stahlberg explained that both gas utilities are trying to
go into the same area and he felt it is time for Lino Lakes
to find a way to say we want to be part of the decision as
to where utility lines will go.
Mr. Stahlberg explained that White Bear Township has a
project in the mill to install sewer and water utilities
north on West Bald Eagle Blvd. to the Lino Lakes border.
Mr. Bisel moved to adjourn at 6:00 P.M. Mr. Bohjanen
seconded the motion. Aye.
These minutes were considered and approved at a regular
council meeting on February 13th 1989.
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