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COUNCIL WORK SESSION APRIL 22, 1992
CITY OF LINO LAKES
COUNCIL MINUTES
DATE : April 22, 1992
TIME STARTED : 4:07 P.M.
TIME' ENDED : 7 :22 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Reinert, Neal, Kuether, Bergeson
MEMBERS ABSENT : Elliott
Staff Members present: City Administrator, Randy Schumacher;
City Engineer, Darrell Schneider; Public Works Director, Don Volk
and Clerk - Treasurer Marilyn Anderson.
Consolidation Committee - Mrs. Lyola Thiltgen, Ms. Sylvia Marier
and Mr. Bill Houle, Lino Lakes Consolidation Committee members
were present to discuss with the City Council concerns they have
regarding the progress of the Consolidation Committee.
Mrs. Thiltgen gave the Council a brief update as to what has been
transpiring during Committee meetings and suggested that the Lino
Lakes members needed another approach in handling this matter.
She noted that the Committee is constantly "filling in holes" and
they still do not know what the structure is.
Mr. Schumacher explained the attitude of the Centerville members.
Mayor Reinert asked why the Centerville members are angry with
the Lino Lakes members. Mr. Schumacher said he was not sure but
the basic attitude has been "them against us ". He felt that only
the chairman could eliminate the negative attitude. Mr.
Schumacher explained that there is a lot of "finger pointing"
rather than assisting to resolve the problem. Terms such as
"getting your act together" was used several times regarding the
lack of representation by Lino Lakes. It was noted that the
meeting nights fall on either Tuesday or Thursday evenings.
Several of the Lino Lakes representatives are not available those
nights and have made this clear to the committee chairman.
However, the committee has refused to change its meeting night.
Mr. Schumacher explained that Lino Lakes should try to get full
attendance by its members or replace the members who cannot
attend on the specified meeting dates. Mr. Schumacher noted that
although the chairman has resigned from his council position in
Circle Pines, he will continue as chairman of the Consolidation
Committee.
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Mr. Schumacher was asked if the chairman is strong enough to
conduct these meetings. Mr. Schumacher said he has been at times
and has directed the committee to get back to the issue and leave
personalities out. However, Mr. Schumacher asked what is the
issue? He noted that the committee has reams and reams of
material and said he believes that this is not what the Municipal
Board has requested. Mrs. Thiltgen explained that the
Centerville members came to the very first meeting with six (6)
pages of single spaced typed issues. The Lino Lakes members did
not come prepared and felt that consultants should be doing the
work required.
Mr. Houle gave a brief background on how this matter started. He
noted that there were two (2) factions in Centerville fighting
with each other. One of the factions prepared the petition for
consolidation with Lino Lakes and filed it with the Municipal
Board. The Centerville City Council did not want anything to do
with consolidation and choose members who are all against
consolidation. The Centerville membership is vehemently opposed
to consolidation and they are doing everything possible to
prevent any "meeting of the minds ". Mr. Schumacher noted that
the petitioners are upset because there was no one appointed to
the consolidation committee from the opposing side. Mr. Houle
said the Centerville consolidation committee members try to
confuse the issue and do not want to hire consultants to do any
of the work.
Mayor Reinert asked what the relationship of the Municipal Board
was with the consolidation committee. He asked if the Municipal
Board has set out any guidelines. Ms. Marier said that the
Municipal Board has asked that each community set out stipulation
and Lino Lakes has presented their stipulations.
Mrs. Thiltgen suggested that the stipulations from Lino Lakes and
from Centerville be set out side by side and compared and the
differences will be immediately known. She said that Centerville
is requiring all of the other material as a way to stall the
matter. Mrs. Thiltgen noted that Centerville has relatively few
policies and statements as compared to Lino Lakes. She told the
Council that she is not prepared to do pages and pages of
research. If this is what the City of Lino Lakes wants, they
should look for another person to replace her on the committee.
Mayor Reinert suggested going back to the committee and saying
that Lino Lakes feels that they should not go beyond what the
Municipal Board is requiring. Mrs. Thiltgen explained that the
Lino Lakes committee members have already said this but
Centerville wants this expanded because questions may come up
during the public hearing such as what is the Lino Lakes
severance pay policy, what form of government would the newly
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consolidated community be organized as, what would the levy
limits be, what services would be available, etc. She felt that
first the committee should create an "umbrella" of understanding
and then later if necessary go into the unbelievable details.
Mr. Schumacher explained that next month, this City will be
before the Municipal Board on another matter involving some Lino
Lakes residents who want to detach themselves from Lino Lakes and
annex with Centerville. He noted that there is a wealth of
information now being gathered by the Lino Lakes consultants and
also by the consultants hired by the City of Centerville. He
suggested that the consolidation matter be tabled until this
information is available. Mr. Houle noted that the Centerville
members of the Consolidation Committee are so against everything
presented by Lino Lakes that only way material can be gathered
and submitted is through the consultants. Anything else will be
questioned.
Mrs. Thiltgen said she has even suggested to renaming the
consolidated community Centerville as it was historically known.
Other things were suggested but the Centerville members were
opposed. She told the Council that if someone else is not hired
to do the research, she will not on the committee because it is
too irritating.
Mr. Schumacher noted that almost all questions will be answered
when the consultants submit their research in May. Mr. Houle
noted that Centerville is going through the same thing and when
they receive their information, the consultant information from
Centerville and the consultant information from Lino Lakes can be
put side by side and compared. Ms. Marier said that another
consultant may be needed to compare the information and make a
recommendation.
Mrs. Thiltgen explained that the Centerville committee members do
not perceive that they will be part of the new entity. They feel
they would be captives of Lino Lakes, like lost citizens with no
voting rights. Mayor Reinert noted that Lino Lakes has
experienced this before and cited other instances. He noted that
Lino Lakes has extended as much as possible. Mr. Houle noted
that Lino Lakes did not initiate the consolidation procedure.
The representatives of each city were discussed noting that the
Centerville representatives are very interested in the process
and are against consolidation. The Lino Lakes representatives
were listed; Sylvia Marier, Bill Houle, Lyola Thiltgen, Marilyn
Elsenpeter, Ray Johnson, Don Volk and Harold Lehmann. It was
noted that Mr. Lehmann has been in Florida all winter and has
been unable to attend. Mr. Johnson and Mr. Volk have conflicts
on the days selected as meeting days. Mrs. Elsenpeter is not
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always able to attend the meetings. Mrs. Thiltgen noted that
meetings are always held in the Circle Pines city hall council
chambers. The only nights available are one (1) Tuesday and one
(1) Thursday a month. The chairman will not consider another
meeting place.
Mayor Reinert said that it appeared that the meetings are going
to be held as the chairman dictates. He suggested that all
further meetings be delayed until information is available from
the consultants. He also suggested that the petitioners be
contacted to determine if the interest is still for
consolidation. Mr. Houle said that he was aware that the
interest is still there because of the fear over rising taxes.
He also noted that consolidation is encouraged by the State
Legislature.
Mr. Schumacher suggested that the matter go to a referendum
without further study. Mr. Houle noted that when all is said and
done, a referendum will be necessary. However, public hearings
must be conducted prior to the referendum and Centerville is
contending that all information for the public hearing be
completed at this time.
Mr. Houle suggested that the City Council appoint new members to
the Lino Lakes committee at their next regular meeting to replace
those who cannot attend regularly and then delay any further
meetings until the consultant reports are available. Council
Member Bergeson was encouraged to become a member of the
consolidation committee. Council Member Bergeson suggested that
each Council Member bring a nomination to the next Council
meeting. Appointments can be made at that meeting.
Mrs. Anderson and Mr. Schumacher were requested to contact
current Consolidation Committee members and ask them if they
intend to continue on the Committee or if they will submit their
resignation. Council Member Bergeson asked that each Council
Member submit one (1) nomination for the Consolidation Committee
to Mr. Schumacher. Ms. Marier suggested that a former Council
member be appointed to this committee.
Mr. Houle requested that he be appointed a regular member of the
Consolidation Committee and not an alternate. This will be done
at the regular Council meeting.
Ms. Marier will contact Jeff Nelson, Chairman of the
Consolidation Committee and indicate that a delay in the next
meetings will be necessary so that Lino Lakes can appoint new
members to the Consolidation Committee.
Roger Derrick, Cottage Homesteads of America, SENIOR HOUSING -
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Mr. Derrick and Mr. Gary Uhde came before the Council to outline
a proposal for senior housing. Mr. Derrick is suggesting the
triangle of land west of St. Joseph Catholic Church and north of
Elm Street be used for this purpose. He noted that this would be
subsidized senior housing and tax increment financing would be
needed to make the proposal feasible. All housing units would be
one (1) level with a one (1) car garage. They would not be
apartments since each would have their own separate outside
entrance. Part of the design is that each unit would have the
private entry so that the resident could walk outside into the
yard. All buildings and lands would be maintained by someone
else. There will be a manager /caretaker. It is expected that
about 70% of the residents would come from the Lino Lakes and
surrounding communities. About 30% of the residents would come
from further distances because they have children living nearby.
The rent would be based on the ability to pay and subsidized by
federal and local support. HUD guidelines would be followed and
the program being suggested at this time would be a 15 year
program.
Mr. Derrick noted that equity for the development comes from
government units. Lino Lakes will be asked to participate
through Tax Increment Financing on a pay as you go basis. There
will be no bonding and the TIF participation is expected to be
90 %. Mr. Derrick noted that with TIF, a community is more
cohesive and offers a community room, a van and other personal
services. There will be four (4) units in each structure. Some
will have one (1) bedroom and some will have two (2) bedrooms.
Council Member Neal asked who decides how renters will be
selected. Mr. Derrick suggested that the City start a
reservation list. Because the City is allowing the construction
with TIF, the City can then be sure that the residents of the
City have priority on the list.
Mr. Derrick explained that the site contains approximately 12
acres and will accommodate from 70 to 90 units. He also noted
that the definition of a senior citizen is anyone over the age of
55. If it is decided that a community room is not needed or
wanted, then the definition of a senior citizen is anyone over
the age of 62 years.
Council Member Kuether asked how this location was selected. Mr.
Derrick explained that he had asked for suggestions and this site
was recommended along with several others. This site provides an
ideal location because the terrain is flat and is of the size
where a community room can be accommodated.
Mr. Derrick said he is looking for two (2) things from the City
Council. He asked if the Council wants to see a senior citizen
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project in Lino Lakes_and does the Council think this is a good
location for the project? If the answer to both questions is
yes, then the next question is will the City Council support the
proposal with Tax Increment Financing? Mr. Schumacher explained
that the area is now an economic development TIF District. The
City Council will have to take action before July 26, 1992 to
make this a residential TIF District. If action is not taken
before that time, the area remains an economic development TIF
district for six (6) more years.
Council Member Kuether asked if residents will be allowed to
plant flowers. Mr. Derrick said yes, the concept is to make
seniors feel at home. They may also have a pet, but there are
restrictions on pets.
Mayor Reinert asked if there were rental restrictions? Mr.
Derrick said there were very strict rules. He noted that
although this is subsidized housing, no one thinks of it in such
terms. He noted that the construction is superior, it is slab on
grade, forced air heat, air conditioning, and transit heating in
the floor. After 15 years, the government subsidizes are
eliminated but because of the economic of the situation, rents go
up only about 3% per year. It should always be affordable.
Mayor Reinert asked if the City would "carry the ball" in a high
subsidized manner? Mr. Derrick explained that the City would
still realize the same amount of taxes from the property as prior
to the construction. He noted that the TIF is 90% of the excess
tax after the project is completed. He also noted that there are
less costs to the City for senior housing. The streets are
private and do not require any snow plowing or maintenance, there
are usually less police and fire calls and senior housing puts
less stress on the school system.
Mayor Reinert asked if Mr. Derrick has calculated the approximate
value of each unit? Mr. Derrick explained that the Anoka County
Assessor would do this. He also noted that the units would be
title II taxes which is similar to homestead taxes. The assessor
can also analyze and give estimates of what TIF is going to do to
the taxes.
Council Member Neal asked when building is planned to start. Mr.
Derrick explained that it takes about six (6) months to go
through the governmental processes. It takes about 90 to 120
days to process the financing portion of the project. The entire
project takes about 9 months before construction can start.
Mayor Reinert asked that Mr. Derrick come back to the next
Council work session prepared to outline the impact to the City
and provide additional layout information. Mr. Derrick said that
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he would have to analyze the sewer and water availability and
soils conditions before a layout could be completed.
The Council noted that the concept is acceptable but would
require additional information. Council Member Bergeson asked to
see the tax implications on this project.
Martha Slater, Patti Drive - Mr. Schneider explained that the
Slater residence is experiencing septic system failure due
partially to high ground water and heavy equipment accidentally
running over the drain field. Mrs. Slater has asked if a
neighborhood meeting could be held to see if there is interest in
extending sanitary sewer into the area and to generally determine
what the cost would be.
Council Member Kuether noted that there may be a health hazard
because of the failure of her system and explained that she may
not be able to wait for a construction project to be completed.
Council Member Kuether noted that Mrs. Slater is not able to get
a loan to rebuild her septic system and asked if sanitary sewer
is not available to her, will the City put in the system and then
assess her? Mr. Schumacher explained that the City should not
get into situations such as this. Council Member Kuether
expressed concern regarding public safety in this matter.
Mr. Schneider asked if the City Council felt that a neighborhood
meeting should be held. He noted that in his opinion the costs
will prohibitive. Council Member Bergeson felt the neighborhood
meeting would be a good idea.
Mr. Schneider will set a meeting for the first part of next week.
Pine Street Drainage - Mr. Schneider explained that the Held
family and the Elliott family are experiencing severe drainage
problems. Mr. Schneider and Mr. Volk had spent an afternoon
going through the ditch systems in this area and noted that many
things can be done. However, elevations are not known and
without this information, there is no way to find solutions to
the problems. Mr. Schneider asked how much priority did the
Council want him to give this matter. He noted that it could
cost up to $30,000.00 to serve two (2) homes.
Mayor Reinert noted that there is an assessment procedure to help
alleviate such problems. Mr. Schneider said that he is going to
meet with the Rice Creek Watershed District since this is an
Anoka County ditch because they should have some responsibility
since a permit will be needed to clean or work in the ditch. The
DNR has review the situation and has noted that it is out of
their jurisdiction.
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Mr. Schneider said that he wanted the City Council to know that
he is giving this matter some attention. He will talk to Mr.
Schumacher before any expenditure is approved.
Council Member Bergeson asked if the culvert problem in the Lino
Air Park is contributing to this problem. Mr. Schneider said it
was not much of a factor. The owners of the Air Park said that
they will take care of the culvert problem this summer.
Police Department Remodeling - Mr. Schumacher updated the Council
on the impact of the just ended legislative session. He noted
that Lino Lakes will loose about $6,000.00 in State Aid and
beginning July 1, 1992, all municipalities will be paying state
tax on all purchases including squad cars, dump trucks and fire
trucks. This will increase the budget significantly. Mr.
Schumacher also noted that during 1993, the State may be using
some of the trust fund that was set aside to provide funding to
make up for the loss in State Aid.
Mr. Schumacher explained that $35,000.00 had been put in the 1992
budget for phase I of the police station remodeling. The
remodeling did cost a couple of thousand dollars more than what
was budgeted.
Remodeling during phase II will cost between $35,000.00 and
$40,000.00. Mr. Volk explained that he has received two (2)
estimates from two (2) different companies. He noted that the
blacktop will cost from $5,000.00 to $6,000.00 if the City crew
does the blacktopping. Mr. Volk noted that the septic system
needs updating, the exterior needs to be completed and a garage
added.
Mayor Reinert asked where this City will get the money to finish
the remodeling? Mr. Schumacher noted that levy limits have been
lifted and the 1993 levy could be increased for this expenditure.
Mayor Reinert said that he felt that this was not an option. He
said he knew that the Police Department needed "elbow" room and
moving the Police Department also gave additional space to the
staff at city hall.
Mr. Volk said that he could complete the exterior of the building
for less than $1,000.00. However, he felt the biggest problem
was the parking lot. He suggested phasing the parking lot over a
period of time. Mr. Volk suggested that $6,000.00 could complete
these two (2) immediate problems.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Volk to determine what the costs would be
to finish the exterior of the building and complete phase I of
the parking lot. He asked that this be charged to the Police
Department budget. Mr. Volk is to give his report to the Council
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at the next work session.
Lori Dahl, 216 Ulmer Drive - Mr. Schneider explained that Mr. and
Mrs. Dahl have requested that their lot be split as many other
lots in Ulmer's Rice Lake Addition have been split. The current
ordinance requires homeowners to connect to the sanitary sewer
within one (1) year after the utility becomes available. This
requirement has not been enforced. The current policy is the
City is not requiring a homeowner to connect to utilities until
their present system fails. Mr. and Mrs. Dahl are asking for
clarification of this conflict.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Schneider to prepare an ordinance
amendment that would allow existing septic systems and require a
homeowner to connect to sanitary services when the septic system
fails.
Mrs. Dahl said that she is unable to do anything further
regarding selling the newly created lot until this matter is
settled. Mayor Reinert explained that the ordinance amendment
will be prepared and brought to the Council for their
consideration. The ordinance will change the City Code to follow
the precedent that has been set.
Building Inspections - Part -Time Assistance - Mr. Schumacher
explained that this building season is already busier than last
year. Assistance is needed in the Building Inspections
Department. The person who assisted the Building Official is not
available this year. Also Mr. Schumacher has checked with the
City of Circle Pines and they are willing to contract with the
City of Lino Lakes for this service. However, there is an On the
Job Training program that has a person (Bob Cartier) available at
a cost of about $11,000.00. This person is at the top of his
class and has been riding with the Building Official. He has
been in the building trades for nine (9) years until he was
injured. The company carrying the workmen's compensation
insurance is paying to retrain Mr. Cartier.
Mayor Reinert explained that if the Building Official is
comfortable with Mr. Cartier and if Mr. Cartier is willing to
sign a waiver of insurance, it appears that from an economical
standpoint the City has no choice but to hire Mr. Cartier. He
asked that this item be added to the Council agenda.
Proposed Pornography Ordinance
Mr. Schumacher explained that he has collected several ordinances
from other cities including the City of Blaine to use as sample
ordinances for this City. He explained that several Council
Members have expressed the desire to be prepared for this problem
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rather than react to the problem when it does occur. Mr.
Schumacher said it would be his recommendation that this City
enact a moratorium to allow up to six (6) months to prepare an
ordinance regulating pornography. This matter will be placed on
the April 27, 1992 agenda.
Common Ground Meeting, April 23, 1992, 6:30 P.M. - This matter is
on the agenda for informational purposes only.
EDA Advisory Board Meeting, April 23, 1992, 7:30 A.M. - This
matter is on the agenda for informational purposes only.
Quail Ridge Preliminary Plat - Mr. Schumacher explained that he
met with Mr. Ebensteiner, the developer of Quail Ridge and he has
redrawn the preliminary plat to indicate 36 lots. The
preliminary plat also indicates that a trail system will be
constructed across the wetlands and this will allow the trail to
be constructed behind the lots to the island park that will
eventually be constructed in Pheasant Hills. The redrawn plat
indicates that there will be a need for a variance for less than
20 lots that will be within the 150 foot set back required by the
Shoreland Management Ordinance. Mr. Schumacher has not yet seen
the preliminary plat and was unable to let the Council know how
close to the wetlands the lots will encroach.
Mayor Reinert noted that this plat will be a nice "infill" but
cautioned that the Park Board must be satisfied with the park
dedication.
Mr. Schumacher noted that 90% of the issues raised at the public
hearing for the preliminary plat have been resolved. This matter
is not on the agenda for April 27, 1992. He will keep the City
Council updated on the matter.
Legislative Update - This matter was addressed during the item on
Police Department Remodeling.
Anoka County Park /Charles Cape Property - Mr. Schumacher gave a
brief background on this matter. Mr. Cape simply wanted to sell
some of his property to the Rice Lake Chain of Lakes Regional
Park. However, because of a resolution this City has enacted,
Anoka County had agreed not to take any more Lino Lakes property
off of the tax rolls. A counter proposal was presented to the
Anoka County Parks Department, overseer of this regional park
requesting an exchange of property. The Anoka County Board has
approved an exchange for 30 acres of property near the
interchange in exchange for the Cape property and the City's
assistance in obtaining total control of the Wards and Sherman
Lakes area. Council Member Bergeson asked if there would be a
problem with Mr. Vaughan on this matter. Mr. Volk said he did
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not think there would be a problem because the area is all
wetlands and not developable. Mr. Schumacher noted that Anoka
County Parks Department want to use the Cape property for a day
camp.
Al Ross, 6356 Ware Road - Mr. Ross explained that he recently
received his property tax statement. It was mailed from the
Carlson, Dropps office and they are listed as the tax payer. Mr.
Ross noted that the Carlson, Dropps organization does not own his
property. He did not know how the error occurred, however, a
correction is being made by Anoka County. Mr. Ross has contacted
County Commission Margaret Langfeld on the matter.
Council Agenda for April 27, 1992 - Mr. Schumacher reviewed the
proposed agenda with the Council.
The work session adjourned at 7:22 P.M.
These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at a
regular Council meeting held on May 11, 1992.
l^ _A� a- 3 kALA., ,
arilyn? ✓G. Anderson,
Clerk - Treasurer
Vernon F. Reinert,
Mayor
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