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May 9, 1974
The special meeting held for the purpose of discussing the Lino Lakes - Centerville
Sewer Interceptor was called to order at 8:15 p.m. on May 9, 1974 by Mayor Bohjanen.
Councilmen present; Jaworski, McLean, Zelinka. Absent; Marier. Mr. Don Carley, Mr.
George Gotwald and Mr. Landol Locher were also present.
Mayor Bohjanen opened the meeting stating the reason for calling the special meeting.
Indicating the many orginazations that had been invited to participate in this
discussion. Mr. Carl Brandt, representing the Metro Council, Mr. Ray Payne of the
Metro Sewer Board, Mayor Pracher, Councilman Murray and Clerk Marcello of Centerville,
Glenn and Clyde Rehbein representing the Shenandoah project. Representative Lombardi
of the Country Lakes area and residents of the Shenandoah area. Mayor Bohjanen
asked for a quick runtdown at to where this project started and at what position
we are now.
Mr. Gotwald said the original study was done in 1962, up graded in 1967 and again
in 1969. The complete comprehensive sewer plan was done in 1971. This plan was
presented to the Metro Sewer Board but could not be approved since the City did
not have an overall Comprehensive Land Use Plan. This plan had been worked out and
was approved by the Metro Council in Jan. of 1974. One of the requirements was to
show what areas would be served. Mr. Gotwald pointed out the Country Lake Area,
the Shenandoah project and the Baldwin Lake Trailer Court, all would benefit
immediately from this interceptor. The Comprehensive Land Use map also indicated
the areas of extension. Everything is set to go and they are only waiting for a
decision from the Metro Council.
Mr. Locher read a letter dated Jan. 26, 1971 which rejects the on -site treatment
plant as proposed by Carley Engineering for the Country Lake area and states that
construction on the interceptor should begin 1971 and be completed in 1972. The
construction was started in that area on the basis of this asumption. If the
interceptor had been installed at the time stated, the cost would have been about
half of what it will cost now and the cost of construction and materials are still
rising.
Mr. Locher cited the time and cost involved in the City's hauling of sewage from
the Country Lake area. He mentioned the tractor and trailer that is presently
being used by the City for that purpose and wondered what would happen if that
equipment should require a major repair.
Mr. Jaworski asked Mr. Gotwald if he had the comparision costs that he had requested.
Mr. Gotwald said based on the increases in the last 3 years, the interceptor
would have increased in cost about one half million dollars. Three years ago the
Lakeview area had been estimated at costing $18.00 per foot, now the cost would be
about $25.00 per front foot and the cost are still rising on both labor and
materials.
Mr. Zelinka remarked that the only time and action was taken is when Saint Paul is
reminded that they are drinking our sewage. He would like to hear comment from the
Metro Council and Metro Sewer Board as to why this is.
Mr. Carl Burandt introduced himself and wanted to remind the Council that he does
not have a vote on the Metro Council. He just gathers information and presents this
to the Council and they make the decisions. He explained the changes in the rules
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governing the monies to be had from Federal Funding and how the priorites are
established. The areas that pipe sewage either into a lake or river have first
priority.
Mayor Bohjanen interupted to remind Mr. Burandt that this conditions exists now. -in
Centerville. This should qualify Lino Lakes and Centerville for the first
priority for an interceptor.
Mr. Zelinka questioned the need for the numerous studies that have been made in
connection with this interceptor. He felt that with all the money spent on studies,
the interceptor could have been built.
Mr. Burandt explained why these many studies had been conducted.
Mr. Zelinka told Mr. Burandt that the understanding of the Council was that the
Metro Sewer Board is ready to move on this interceptor but that it is being held up
in the Metro Council.
Mr. Burandt explained that the Metro Council acts as our City Council and the
Metro Sewer Board acts as our road department. The Metro Sewer Board merely carries
out the wishes of the Metro Council.
There was some discussion on the function of the Metro Sewer Board. This unit serves
as a recommending board. Mr. Burandt reminded the Council that he worked for the
Metro Council as a Staff Member and not the Metro Sewer Board. Mr. Burandt then
returned to the law that governs the priority ratings. He cited a treatment plant
in Minnetonka that had to be built. Also the interceptor in Fridley that was a
must; the White Bear Lake interceptor has high priority. He also explained that
two million dollars had been lost in expected revenue from the S.A.C. for the
first year. He presented some facts and figures relating to these charges.
Mayor Bohjanen interupted to remind Mr. Burandt of the many studies done in
connection with this interceptor. The full flow gravity system; another study
recommending a force main with lift stations; another study suggesting that
Centerville be sewered through the Hugo interceptor. He felt that it was time to
stay away from more studies and the interceptor installed. He asked Mr. Burandt for
his ideas concering this suggested systems.
Mr. Burandt reviewed the study made by Carley Engineering. He reviewed the population
projection made by the Metro Council and the fact that the projected population
growth has decreased in the last two estimates made.
Mr. Zelinka asked Mr. Burandt if it wasn't so that the Metro Council could control
the population growth and direct it in the direction they wanted it by controlling
the areas that are sewered?
Mr. Burandt said these figures are necessary to predict what should be built and
how it should be sized.
Mr. Zelinka reminded Mr. Burandt that the Metro Council had a lot to do with the
changes in the Comprehensive Land Use Plan. The area for open space had been agreed
to and noted on'-the plans. He felt that the Metro Council had wanted this open
space, they now have it, but by removing this land from the tax rolls, there should
be some compensation to the City. The interceptor would let the remaining portion
of the City continue to grow and afford some reimbursement for the property lost
to Open Space.
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Mr. Burandt had no doubts that the area would grow and the growth would be guided
by the Metro Council. Mr. Jaworski felt that this was unconstitutional. No board
had the right to tell people where they can live.
Mr. Zelinka asked if Mr. Gotwald, the City Engineer, had been consulted on any of
the six different studies that has been done.
Mr. Gotwald said that he had not been consulted.
Mr. Burandt said that Sewer Service District No. 2 would pay a heavy burden for
the cost of this interceptor. He discussed the reimbursement funds that are to be
used for the installation of this interceptor. He read from the minutes of June
10, 1971 where the Metro Council approved the Lino Lakes - Centerville interceptor
"In Concept ". Final approval depending on the ability of the two Cities to meet
certain requirements. These included a comprehensive sewer plan for Centerville,
and a comprehensive land use plan for Lino Lakes. These requirements have been met.
Centerville's comprehensive sewer plan was presented about a year ago and the Lino
Lakes Comprehensive Land Use Plan was approved in January of 1974.
Mayor Bohjanen asked if the interceptor is going in and when.
Mr. Burandt said that he had finished his report in February 1974 and it is now in
Staff Committee. He would not discussed what his report had recommended.
Mr. Jaworski asked if it wasn't possible that the City could have sewer tomorrow if
the City was paying for it? He also asked if one of the recommendations wasn't that
Centerville be serviced through Hugo and the line be brought to the Southern line
of Lino Lakes and then the City to install the interceptor through the City to the
needed areas?
Mr. Burandt said that Lino Lakes is to be complimented for the cooperation and
understanding which has been displayed in these discussions. This Council had done
a fine job. The Comprehensive Land Use Plan went through exceptionally fast. He
couldn't remember another plan being approved in such a short time.
Mayor Bohjanen said that we had understood that this should be done as soon as
possible, which was done. Now the City expected them to do the same.
Mr. Gotwald asked what was the hold up on the approval of the sewer plans?
Mr. Burandt said that at the present time he is working on an 83 million dollar
sludge problem. He has written his report and it is in the staff at the present
time.
Mr. Zelinka asked if there was anyway the City could help to get this report out
of committee? Mr. Burandt thought perhaps a meeting would help.
Mayor Bohjanen asked Mr. Ray Payne of the Metro Sewer Board what the status of
the interceptor was in his office.
Mr. payne said that all they are waiting for is approval by the Metro Council. The
interceptor is to be installed with reimbursement funds. The Metro Sewer Board is
ready to move as soon as the Metro Council approves the system. When asked what
that means in time, Mr. Payne said 4 to 6 months to prepare plans and specifications
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and advertising for bids - probably 1 year for construction to begin and it will
take about 9 months to install.
Mr. Gotwald said they are all ready to go. Mr. Carley said that they are prepared
to hold the public hearing in Centerville.
Mr. Jaworski asked what happens if the sewage truck breaks down? It is not the
responsibility of Lino Lakes to haul sewage. He felt that this truck is an
extension of the Metro Sewer and that we are merely assisting them with this pro-
blem.
Mr. Zelinka felt that a lot of judgements are made concering the residents of Lino
Lakes and Centerville without the people who make these decisions even coming out
to this area and talking to them. He felt that these people should be consulted and
that the problems of the developers should be discussed with them.
Mr. Bohjanen asked Mr. Lombardi if he had any comments to make.
Mr. Lombardi apoligized for being late, he had attended another meeting. He felt
that Mr. Burandt was in no position to tell the Council anything. He felt that the
people who are making the decisions should be contacted and pressure brought on
them and the sooner the better. Mr. Lombardi felt that the main concern of this
area is that Anoka has the right of condemnation without Council approval. This
gives them a free hand to acquire lands for Open space with no one to stop them.
This law should be repealed as soon as possible. He felt that the Metro Council
views Anoka County as one big park.
Mr. Glenn Rehbein asked whay the double talk? He wants to put the lines in the
Shenandoah and have the sewage hauled as in country Lakes. Why can't he be treated
the same as they are. His project was started on the assurance that the interceptor
was to be installed last year He had spent this day working at one of the homes
where the sewage had backed up. The carpet, wall board and woodwork on the lower
level must be replaced.
Mr. Jaworski asked the lowest point of the line if a full gravity system is
installed.
Mr. Gotwald said the line would be 22 feet deep at the lowest point, but has an
average depth of about 15 feet.
Mr. Burandt said that he had done all he could to move the project along. His
report is being reviewed by Staff. This is in line with the Council policy. It will
then come before the full Council for approval. This decision will be presented to
the Lino Lakes Council and they will bb given two weeks for review and suggestions
and then will appear before the Metro Council again.
There was discussion as to when this could be done. It was suggested that the
Council request a meeting with the Metro Council immediately in order to speed
this process along.
Mr. Rehbein asked for permission to install the lines in the Shenandoah project.
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Mr. Burandt said that the problem lies in the fact that the type of system to be
installed has not been decided and the lines in the project could be higher or
lower.
Mr. Zelinka suggested a meeting with the Metro Council to lay out the plans. He
suggested passing a Resolution setting an early date for this meeting.
Mr. Larson, of the NSSSB said it was unfortunate that he had come in the middle
of the discussion. The NSSSB has no real basic economic interest. He did not feel
that the installation of this interceptor would place an extra burden on the
rest of Sewer Service District #2. He discussed the alternate plan of servicing
Centerville through Hugo and Lino Lakes through the Circle Pines - Lexington
interceptor. What is needed is a concrete proposal and a hearing.
Mr. Zelinka asked if this indicated that there was no opposition from NSSSB.
Mr. Larson said their interest is to get sewer service to Lino Lakes and Centerville.
He said that a Metro Interceptor with full gravity from Centerville through
Lino Lakes would be the best possible system. A study had been made by NSSSB
comparing a total gravity line with several other systems and from cost and
development, some of the other systems would be feasible but the gravity system
seemed the best possible method of installation.
Mr. Zelinka said if you took a look at a map of sewered area you would see that
the entire area surrounding Lino Lakes is sewered. He felt that this was a
situation that could not continue to exist.
Mr. Larson said that NSSSB is as interested in resolving this problem as Lino
Lakes is. He asked Mr. Carley if the deletion of the Open Space would change
the size or location of the line.
Mr. Carley said that it would not. When the original plan was designed 10 years
ago, some 8000 acres of land had been taken out as land that was unbuildable.
There was some discussion on the increase in cost for installation. Mr. Carley
said that in the last 3 years the costs have doubled and in some cases tripled.
Mr. Locher asked Mr. Larson if when they did the studies if any one from this
area had been included? Mr. Larson said, No. Mr. Locher then asked if it wasn't
true that Brooklyn Park was opposed to the gravity. Mr. Larson said, Yes. Didn't
NSSSB present a proposal that the interceptor not be installed?
Mr. Larson said that NSSSB had not passed a Resolution of any sort.
There was discussion on Mr. Rehbein's request to install lines in Shenandoah. It
was decided that a vote on this would have to be taken at a regular Council
meeting. Glenn again made the request to put in his lines saying that if a lift
station was necessary because of different levels, he would put it in. Mayor
Bohjanen asked Mr. Carley and Mr. Gotwald to contact the Metro Sewer Board as to
their feeling if Mr. Rehbein was allowed to put in the lines. They will have an
answer for him at the next Council meeting.
Mr. Herbst thought that if a meeting is set up with the Metro Council, the City
Council should take some developers with them to show the Metro Council that
this area is developable.
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Mr. Burandt said this would be the worse thing that mould happen. The Metro
Council is not favorable toward developers.
Mr. McLean moved to pass a Resolution requesting a meeting with the full Metro
Council to be set within the next 10 days for the consideration of the Lino
Lakes - Centerville interceptor. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Motion carried.
Centerville has already passed such a Resolution. Mrs. Marcello will get a copy
to the Clerk to be attached.
Mr. Jaworski moved to adjourn at 10:45 p.m. Seconded by Mr. McLean. Aye.
The minutes approved at the May 13, 1974 meeting.
May 13, 1974
The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes City Council meeting was called to order
at 8:03 p.m. on May 13, 1974 by Mayor Bohjanen. Councilmen present; Jaworski,
McLean, Zelinka. Absent; Marier. Mr. Locher and Mr. Gotwald were also present.
Mr. McLean moved to approve the minutes of April 22, 1974 as corrected. Seconded
by Mr. Zelinka. Motion carried.
Mr. McLean moved to approve the minutes of the Special Meeting of May 9, 1974 as
corrected. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Motion carried.
The Clerk reported;
Received $5.00 in municipal fines;
Read a letter from El Rehbein in regards to the sewer problems at 726 Vicky Lane.
They will not assume any responsibility for the problem since the home is 8
years old.
Read a letter from a Mr. Thomas Tiedemann of Kasson, Minn. noting problems
with a boat and motor purchased from the Outpost. Mr. Locher said this is a
civil matter and we cannot help the purchaser.
Received $769.25 reimbursement from the State of Minnesota for Police assis-
tance with runaways at the Youth Center
Read a copy of the Resolution passed by the Anoka County Commissioners requesting
an interchange at County Road #14 and Interstate 35W. (These letters are to be
sent to Mr. Milton.)
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