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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/08/1972 Council Minutes1 1 May 8, 1972 The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Council held on May 8, 1972 was called to order at 8 P.M. by Mayor Bohjanen with all members present as well as Attorney Locher, Engineer Gotwald and Clerk- Treasurer Mrs. Emerton. Mrs. Swanson asked the Clerk if we were paying any Federal gas tax on the Skelly bills; Clerk said No. Mrs. Swanson advised the Clerk to take the Federal tax under advisement when computing the monthly gasoline records. Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Cardinal about his saying at the April 24th meeting that no remarks had been made on the County park proposal at the Park Board meeting when the minutes say that it was discussed later. Mr. Cardinal said that no remarks were made concerning it while he was alone with the Park Board. Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Locher if we had no exempted areas (referring to the PCA burning variance); he said that the forms are being completed to request exempted areas. Mrs. Swanson asked if a Rosengren's work on his to check this aut. Mr. check of the minutes had been made regarding Jerry house. Mr. Bohjanen said that he had not had time Marier felt an answer would come during the meeting. Mr. Jaworski moved to approve the April 24th minutes as corrected. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried. Mr. Jaworski moved to approve the minutes of the May 1st meeting as corrected. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried with Mr. Jaworski voting No. At the request of Mrs. Rykel, following discussion, Mr. Marier moved that we write a letter to the County asking them to look into the matter of Birch Street between Centerville Road and 20th Avenue as to proper ditching and putting in necessary culverts. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. The Clerk read letters from the following: 1. Metro Sewer-Board, dated May 5th, advising that MSB had determined on May 3rd that the 1972 cost allocation for Lino Lakes be withdrawn, and no allocation of costs would be made for the year 1972. 2. Alfred Fisher, dated May 5th, that he would be unable to have a com- pleted soild map with urban interpretations by May 8th, but would be able to present the completed map on May 22nd. 3. Meeker Magner Co., dated May 4th, advising that the Stanley E. Thayer and been returned to them for cancellation April 15th and they were notified that Mr. Thayer had placed with the Reserve Insurance Co. Clerk noted she had received coverage from the second company. 4. John Fallon, Supt. pf M.R.D.C., Dated April 27th, thanking the Police Dept. for their excellent cooperation in times of need, and com- mending two officers; who, on April 22nd, had provided an emergency escort and revived a youth being taken to Ramsey County Hospital. 5. Maxine Swanson, Dated May 8th, tendering her resignation as Trustee effective June 5th due to personal responsibilities and obligations requiring her fullest considerations. Mr. Cardinal moved, on Mayor Bohjanen's recommendation, to accept with regret Mrs. Swanson's resignation which was tendered due to personal responsibilities, and thanking her for what she has endeavored to do in laying down office procedure. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried. policies for effective his coverage no notice of' 5/8/72 Clerk reported obtaining red tags which could be used by both the Building and Plumbing Inspectors. Mr. Marier asked her to send some to both Inspectors, and to send a copy of the new plumbing regulations to the Plumbing Inspector; Clerk said regulations had been sent. Mr. Marier asked the Clerk how she was coming on the new monthly reporting forms and was told that she had been too busy to make them up yet. Mr. Marier told Mr. Bohjanen that he would like to get this going by July. Mr. Bohjanen said that we could make the July 1st deadline if we get a Deputy Clerk. Mrs. Swanson asked of the letter was sent to Hugo; Clerk said No, that she needed some information first. Mrs. Swanson noted that this was the second meeting at which Clerk had been asked about the letter. Mr. Bohjanen asked Mr. Jaworski to get in touch with the Clerk with the information. Mr. Cardinal reported that bids were sent out for grading and preparing the baseball diamonds, but no bids had been received by the deadline or to date. Mr. Cardinal said he had received a request to put snowfence all around the little league ball diamond to keep the players in andothers out. He thought it would take about 8 rolls of fence, at a cost of about $8 each, and moved to authorize purchase of same. Mr. Jaworski asked if we could use the same fence that we have in the outfield; Cardinal said No, since we need more and this would stay up all year around. Mr. Marier seconded the motion, noting that it was for the safety of the children. Motion Carried. Mr. Cardinal reported that the Park Board members have copies of the wetlands ordinance from Orono and will consider this at their next meeting. Mr. Cardinal stated that it doesn't look like the Lexington League will play on our diamonds, but they haven't let him know. Mr. Bohjanen commented that this leaves us more area for our kids to play. Mr. Cardinal presented a map showing the boundaries of the Rice Creek Watershed District which is to be kept at the Hall. Mr. Cardinal reported that the Rice Creek Watershed Board had received 61 names for the Advisory Board, that some of these were volunteers, that there are 33 communities involved, and that the Board Managers meets in Centerville. MR. Jaworski asked Mr. Cardinal to see that the bleachers we got for free are put up and suggested that they be painted, probably taking 2 coats of paint. Mr. Cardinal stated that they are being put up. Mr. Marier felt we should get bids on the paint. On Mrs. Swanson's suggestion, Mr. Bohjanen asked Mr. Cardinal to check and see if we can get the County men to do this painting. Mr. Marier noted that some three weeks time has elapsed since hearing the County Park proposal and thought it was time to give them an answer. Mr. Marier moved to send a letter to the County stating that we turn down their total proposal of a 2400 acre park for Lino Lakes. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Carried. Mr. Marier noted that he had a counter proposal which he would bring up later under his report. The hearing on amending Ordinance No. 56 as to minimum square footage require- ments was called to order at 8:30 P.M. Mr. Locher read the requirements for amending a zoning ordinance, noted that notice had been placed in the paper at 1 1 1 5/8/72 least 10 days previous to the hearing, and read the contents of the notice. Mr. Bohjanen noted that the proposed changes had originated at the P &Z andasked for any remarks in favor or any other changes. William Bucch, Attorney on behalf of U.S.Lakes Development Co., spoke in opposition to the changes as proposed: 1. It would place a burden on the company because they had made their plans using the zoning code. 2. Their models are barely under the presents limits and this puts them into jeopardy. 3. Overall, the square footages proposed are on the high side, and something else could be worked out later to be comparable with other areas. 4. We could adopt this on a midified basis, and that U.S. 'Lakes' models should be grand - fathered under this if it is adopted . 5. The changes run afoul of the State Building Code, which has a binding effect on all minicipalities unless they make a variance request. The 90 aq. ft. minimum area for living areas is set under the Code. 6. "Liveable areas" is not defined clearly, such as whether they include walk -in closets. There was considerable discussion on this. Mr. Locher stated that: 1. He had talked with Richard Hauck of the State today who reiterated his feelings that the square footage per room is an absolute figure, but this has not been put to a test. 2. A combined living room - kitchen, for example, could be 150 sq. ft. but all single livable areas must be at least 90 sq. ft. 3. If more than two persons are sleeping in one room, then 50 sq. ft. must be added to the room. 4. The 90 sq. ft. does not include closets, vestibules, etc. 5. There will be a hearing in June 7th in the State Office Building at 9 A.M. on Rochester's request to delete all minimum living spaces. 6. State feels it has the right to limit minimum square footage; however, if the law becomes abused, it will be attacked by the Legislature. Mr. Busch read a list of municipalities and their minimum requirements; except for three, they either had no minimums or were lower than this proposal. Mrs. Swanson asked if he was getting the tax -base figures at the same time; he said No. Mr. Marier countered by reading a list of minicipalities and their minimum requirements which were higher than the proposal, noting that his list was of minicipalities closer to this area. Clyde Rehbein offered the following comments: 1. Some of the minicipalities listed have allowances for split foyers, garages and other items. 2. He brought copies of his proposal on minimums to the Council and asked them to bend a little on their proposal as he had done in his proposal. 3. Gave an estimate that a 950 sq. ft. rambler with a garage would bring in $I00 more in taxes that 1000 sq. ft. without a garage. 4. Noted that we are asking for poor quality by increasing the square footage by inviting competition from pre -fabs, trailers and modular homes. He would be priced out of the market. 5. Told Mrs. Gould that it would cost more than $5000 to buy an im- proved lot in one of his developments, and that builders are making less percentage -wise per home than before. 233 5/8/72 Mr. Bohjanen moted that Blaine had to change their ordinance which requires 1040 sq. ft. minimum to adding a garage and one -half in that minimum so they would't get low -cost housing. Glenn Rehbein commented that he had seen an article in the Minneapolis paper lately on 904 sq. ft. homes for retired people, and stated that he was trying to get older people in his project rather than younger ones with four kids. Mr. Marier moved to adopt Ordinance No. 56 A. Mr. Jaworski asked for the recommendation of the P &Z which Mr. Locher read. Mr. Marier noted that the Council had included condominiums with the townhouses. Roy Stanley stated that there should be lower minimums for split -foyer and split - entry houses, that 600 sq. ft. per floor on splits whether finished or not, and that taxes are based on both floors on the splits whether finished or not, and that no one could afford to build splits with 1000 sq. ft. on both floors. Mr. Locher noted that the P &Z recommendation didn't say the minimum was for each floor in a split home. Mr. Marier said that the 1000 sq. ft. referred to the out- side dimensions of the building, that the 100 sq. ft. minimum was for living areas only, and that it doesn't say anything about how much living area has to be in that 1000 sq. ft. Dick Zelinka asked for the meaning of a 'basementless home'; Roy Stanley said this means homes on a slab. Clyde Rehbein read the proposal for minimums he had given to the Council: Rambler, 12 Story, Split Foyer, or Split Level 1000 sq. ft. less 50 sq. ft. if there is an attached garage, and less an additional 50 sq. ft. if there is 2 bedrooms instead of 3 bedrooms. 2 Story 900 sq. ft. pn the main floor or 700 sq. ft. if there is a double attached garage. 90 sq. ft. minimum on bedrooms. Clyde also commented that if they have to make the bedrooms 100 sq. ft. in size, then they will make the living room or something else smaller to compensate. Roy Stanley felt that even with 90 sq. ft. minimums you wouldn't find any 3- bedroom rambler as small as 1000 sq. ft. John McLean commented that in reading Clyde's recommendation, relating to what the P &Z did, this would give an answer in a flexible way and that we should consider the amendment on a smaller format. Mrs. Swanson seconded the motion on the floor. There was discussion on the tax base under the two proposals, the extras which are put in Clyde's houses and the sizes of bedrooms. Ken Rehbein and Dick Cartier both asked that the builders meet with the Council, the P &Z and the Assessor first before adoption on the amendment. Mrs. Swanson felt that we should have the same requirements as the surrounding villages; Mr. McLean said that we should take care of the 2- bedroom approach. Mr. Marier withdrew his motion on the floor, and moved that we adopt the pro- posed Ordinance No. 56A with the fol4owing insertions: 1 1 1 1 1 1 Ramblers 1 Z Story Split Level Split Foyer 1000 sq. ft. 1000 sq. ft. 1000 sq. ft. 1000 sq. ft. 5/8/72 239 If there is an attached garage, there can 50 sq. ft. less. If there are 2 bedrooms, there can 50 sq. ft. less, and additional if there are 2 instead of 3 bedrooms. There will not be less that 1000 sq. ft. in any instance with no garage. 2 Story 900 sq. ft. on the main floor and 750 sq. ft. on the second floor. For an attached double garage there can be 50 sq. ft. less. The minimum square footage of livable areas stands at 100 sq. ft. Motion seconded by Mrs. Swanson. There was more discussion with the builders feeling that the minimums were still too high for a 2 Story building. Mr. Marier felt the matter should be acted upon tonight as there had been two hearings on this already with no input. Vote on the motion: Aye- Marier and Swanson; No- Jaworski, Cardinal and Bohjanen. Motion failed. Mr. Marier wished to have a vote on the original motion which wasn't voted on, and moved to adopt the original Ordinance No. 56A. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson. Vote: Aye- Swanson; No- Cardinal;, Jaworski, Marier and Bohjanen. Failed. Mr. Jaworski moved to send the ordinance back to the P &Z for study with the developers and the tax assessor. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. The meeting was set for May 24th at 8 P.M. Mr. Marier asked Mr. Bohjanen to attend this meeting to get the right input on this. Mr. Jaworski moved to close the hearing at 9:34 P.M. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. Mr. Jaworski asked Mr. Locher fi he had heard from Mrs. Wilhelmy's attorney; Mr. Locher said they had talked back and forth. Mr. Gotwald said that she had had her surveyor survey the property, and that those stakes were 5 -6' further in (towards her house) than Gotwald's stakes were, which were based on the St. Paul Waterworks boundaries. Mr. Jaworski asked if it was okay to start working on Peltier or do we have to wait for work from her attorney. Mr. Locher said that we must wait in case of adverse posession; he asked Mr. Gotwald if it were okay if we went by her stakes. Mr. Gotwald said Yes, noting that we could take more trees (by using her stakes), but that we don't need to remove the few large trees, and there would be no sense in doing so. Mr. Jaworski moved to have Mr. Locher contact Mrs. Wilhelmy's attorney and get a letter stating what stakes we are to go by on Peltier Drive, with a copy to be sent to Mr. Gotwald and copies to made for the Council. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. Mr. Gotwald was asked to explain his cost estimates on seal- coating village roads for 1972. He read through the list as follows: 1. All roads in the Lakeview Area - 15,840 ft. Bituminous Material $3,000.00 Seal Aggregate 4,600.00 Total $7,600.00 240 2. Bald Eagte Blvd. 4,800 ft. Bituminous material Seal Aggregate Total 3. Linda & Laurene - 1,720 ft. Bituminous material Seal Aggregate Total 4. Oak Lane - 4,000 ft. Bituminous material Seal Aggregate Total 5. Rolling Hills Drive - 2,450 ft Bituminous for prime Bituminous for seal coat Seal Aggregate 6. Ware Road - 6,600 ft. Bituminous prime material Bituminous material Seal Aggregate Total Total $ 707.00 1,128.00 $1,835.00 $ 258.00 424.00 $ 682.00 $ 593.00 864.00 $ 1,457.00 $ 250.00 362.00 584.00 $ 1;196.00 $1,000.00 1 ,000.00 1,584.00 $3,585.00 5/8/72 The above seal coat price includes precleaning the street, furnishing and apply- ing bituminous material, seal aggregate and removal of surplus aggregate. Mr. Gotwald noted that it would involve additional costs to advertise for bids, and that the cost could be reduced by having our men do some of the hauling and cleanup. Mr. Gotwald noted that the Council had decided to gravel Pine Street instead of doing any of the 3 alternatives he had listed. Mr'. Gotwald suggested that informal bids be obtained on separate portions of the work so that no item would cost more than $5000 in order to eliminate advertising. There was discussion on whether the budget would cover thw work, with Mr. Jaworski stating that he could meet the budget with this program and still have money left for emergencies and a surplus at the end of the year. There was discussion on Holly Drive with Mr. Marier noting that we have been talking about it long enough and something should be done, and that according to Centerville's old records they had maintained it, and that the owners along that particular portion say that it was improved at one time. Mr. Jaworski thought the Engineer should make a cost estimate on putting in 4 culverts and making a 24' roadbed. After more discussion, Mr. Marier moved to make the portion of Holly Drive by Grygelko's passable and to have the Engineer check on the cost of culverts and gravel. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson. Carried. It was decided to get easements on this and see that they are filed. After discussion, Mr. Jaworski moved to get bids on the road work on Mr. Gotwald's list, and to check the culverts in the roads first. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried. Mrs. Swanson asked if anything was done on the easements on Sunrise Avenue from St. Joe's. Mr. Jaworski said there has been a turmoil down at the Church so nothing had been done on this yet, but it would get done. 1 1 241 5/8/72 The Clerk was asked to read a letter from Mr. Hutchison, dated April 24th, regarding what we might do in our area as far as septic systems are concerned. Mr. Marier noted that people had been concerned about this at the open meeting in April and we told them we would have answers for them. He asked Mr. Gotwald if he had looked at the areas concerned. Mr. Gotwald stated that one place on South 4th Avenue just North of Lilac St. had their drainfield too close to 4th Avenue. At the other place, Andall St., it would be virtually impossible to build systems according to State Code. He felt that houses in that area should be built on a slab and elevated to put the septic system at least 4' above the water table, and then the system wouldn't work long. He thought it would take a specialized system of enclosed tanks which require pumping. Mr. Marier asked if 2000 gallon tanks with 4 -5 houses hooked up on a community basis would work. Mr. Gotwald said the existing houses are too low to do this, but they might have the sewage flow into a collection tank and then pump up to a junction box. Or, they could put in a larger tank (collection). Mr. Gotwald noted that the average family uses 200 gallons of wastewater a day, and 10 homes would put out 2000 gallons. This would require frequent pumping which is not too feasible and out of the question economically. He stated that they could use a solid tank system and pump frequently. Mr. Marier moved that we should write to the people on Andall St. and tell them that there has been a study made in their area by the Council and the Engineer, giving them the two alternatives for septic system improvements for guidelines. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. Mr. Marier asked if the people along Main St. with septic problems can take care of this with adding drainfield. Mr. Gotwald said Yes, at a maximum depth of 24 ", but they must find the water table. Mr. Gotwald suggested the people contact the Plumbing inspector. Mr. Marier suggested that the Engineer do the advising. Mr. Gotwald agreed that they could make recommendations together. Mr. Marier moved to send a letter to the people on Main St., Ware Road and Maple St. giving them suggestions on what we will do concerning their septic systems. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Mrs. Jaworski asked if the Council was sending letters to business places along Hwy. 8 who are having sewage problems such as the Oasis. She was advised that if we receive complaints on them, they will be followed with the same procedure. Motion carried. Mr. Marier presented his map with the proposed open space areas. He stated that we can ask for Federal grants to get the easements through HUD and two other agencies. He noted that grants have been given out for this in amounts ranging from $3,700,000 down to $100. He noted that he had driven out to find the low lands in Lino Lakes, that he wants to preserve wild life in the open spaces which we can control. Mr. Marier noted that Metro has never given us a feasible way of controlling or acquiring land or giving us a tax - break. He said that if we pass the proposal he will attempt to write up an application for easements for open spaces, habitat and preservation of wild life. He thought the proposal included about I /4th the acerage of the County proposal, that there was very little high land in it, but if there was any that someone wanted to build on we could negotiate. Mr. Marier moved that we adopt his open -space proposal. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson. Carried. Mr. Jaworski moved that this be sent to the P &Z, the Park Board, the Environmental Commission, the Planner and the Engineer for study. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. Mrs. Swanson suggested it be put up in the front of the Hall. 5/8/72 Mr. Marier suggested, then moved that we have the Engineer make percolation tests instead of the Plumbing Inspector, since the Plumbing Inspector has neither the know - how nor the gear to do this. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Mr. Jaworski asked if the cost was going back to the home - owners; Mr. Marier said it would be charged for on the permit. Motion carried. Mrs. Swanson reported that she had attended the Open Space Advisory Board meeting, and that they were concerned with their classification system and definition of various parks. Al Ko rdiak, Task Force Chairman, was asked by Larry Haeg why the fact that there was no definition of county parks. The Board had adopted the classification system omitting county classification for present. She was worried about what would happen to Anoka County's 45,000 acres for parks. Mrs. Swanson said it had come to her attention that the Clerk was not using carbon copies for correspondence, and that since this is used by all municipalities, instead of using photocopies, she recommended filing carbon copies. Both Mr. Jaworski and Mr. Bohjanen felt one carbon copy would be sufficient. Mrs. Swanson said that the question had come up several weeks ago about the Clerk taking two days off without pay. The Personnel Commission was in accord with her taking the two days off when we get someone to replace her. Mrs. Swanson wanted to be sure that the minutes of the meeting before the Clerk's days off were completed before she left. Mr. Bohjanen said this had already been passed on. Mr. Locher had received a call from Mrs. Harold Leibel on a possible variance. Mrs. Leibel stepped forward to say that her daughter and son -in -law had decided to take 22 acres instead of one acre, but she wondered about the possibility of the County moving the road around Centerville Lake as mentioned by Mr. Burman. After discussion it was decided that they could only assume the road would stay as it is, since we had turned down the County's proposal tonight, and that they leave adequate set- back just in case. Mrs. Leibel was advised that a percolation test would be necessary. Roger Barnes, Mayor of Blaine, was recognized. He noted that he has his place on Hodgson Rd. rented, and that if the Council would grant it the renter would like to put in a used car lot. However, the man hasn't been before the P &Z, so the matter will have to wait. Glenn Rehbein asked if the Council had passed on having percolation tests to 4' below the ground. Mr. Gotwald said this doesn't have anything to do on groundwater, but only to do with the 2' of ground on top. Glenn noted that you have to have 4' plus 16" below the ground where no water can come in. Glenn said that the surface water is less than 6' in a lot of the area, and thought the Engineer could verify this. Mr. Gotwald agreed that in many areas the ground water is very close to the surface, and that in places where you won't find water at 6 -7' in August, you can in May. Glenn said that we have only a small area around Centerville where one can build, noting that even by Mr. Marier's house the water is higher than 6'. Mr. Marier disagreed, saying that you could go 300' from his house and still go down 6' before you hit water. Mr. Marier stated that the percolation test has been in the ordinance for some time, but not enforced, but now we are going to handle it. Mrs. Swanson noted that in the last minutes the Clerk was to make copies of the questionnaire on legal fees that the Attorney had filled out and wondered if the Clerk had a copy. Clerk said she did and will make copies. Mr. Bohjanen reported attending the meeting in Anoka on April 25th on the State Building Code, and that Mr. Locher was the only attorney there. Mr. Bohjanen reported that he had attended the May 3rd MSB meeting, and that we had received a subsequent letter that they had dropped the 1972 allocation. He noted that 5/8/72 G�e we don't have the date yet that the matter will go to the Metro Council, but they will send a letter. Mr. Jaworski asked if MSB had indicated when they would start the engineering study. Mr. Bohjanen and Mr. Marier both thought that it would take about 3 months. Mr. Gotwald stated that the MSB engineer has started, and is working, on the study. The final report should come within 4 months of the original date. Mr. Bohjanen reported that the Police Dept. has been stopping in various places where there are junk cars and excess junk. He recommended that we make May the regular designated month for cleanup, and after June 1st we will tag excess junk or junk cars and ask that they be removed. This was discussed with it being decided that flyers would be distributed by the Police, CD and other organizations such as the Boy Scouts. Mr. Jaworski moved to declare May as Lino Lakes Clean -Up Month, and that after June 1st we will tag junk cars. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Mrs. Swanson asked what happens if you tag one and they don't remove it' she was advised that there would be a warning ticket, then a tag and going to court. Motion carried. Mr. Bohjanen noted that Saturday, May 13th, is National Buddy Poppy Day for the area, and that the Lino Lakes VFW Auxiliary members will be selling poppies in the Village with all proceeds going to Vets and their families. Mr. Bohjanen then declared May 13th as Poppy Day in Lino Lakes for 1972. Council members had received no volunteers to serve on the Rice Creek Watershed Advisory Board Mr. Cardinal said that the Board of Managers had received the names of Glenn Rehbein, John McLean and Art Hawkins as volunteers. Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Cardinal if he had asked these men to serve; he said No, that it would be a conflict of interest. Mr. Marier asked Mr. Rehbein how he had heard about the Advisory Board; Glenn said he has been coming to the meetings, and that he was quite interested since the Watershed involved quite a bit of his land. After discussion, Mr. Marier moved that we have Mr. Cardinal report back to the Council on the outcome of the Watershed meetings, and to send a letter to the volunteers that they may participate if they want to. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Mr. Jaworski asked how many advisors there would be; Mr. Cardinal didn't know, but said they had 61 names so far and they won't turn anyone down' however, some drop out when they find out there is work involved. Mrs. Swanson asked what is the pertinence of the Advisory Board; Mr. Cardinal said that the Board of Managers was still getting organized, have adopted by -laws, and setting up rules, and regulations which have not been adopted yet. They are pushing for an advisory board so they can get an overall plan started. Mrs. Swanson asked about the canoe trip scheduled to see how far they could go on the open waterways. Mr. Cardinal said that the trip had been set for last Saturday, but it was bad so they didn't go; it will be set up again. Vote on the motion carried with Mr. Cardinal abstaining. Mrs. Leibel asked what date was set for the Watershed Board to meet with Centerville. Mr. Cardinal said there was none set to meet with the Council that he knew of. Elmer LaMere came forward to show pictures of a small building and manure which he had taken out of his window, stating that the building had been moved in by Bill Houle without a permit, that he had asked him to move it but he won't, and that the building is on his (LaMere's) land. There was considerable discussion, with Mr. LaMere stating that the person occupying the building was Paul Buckby, a hippy -type with long hair, who is there most of the time, and that Buckby's horses run on his (LaMere's) land instead of their owner's 60 acres. Mr. Locher advised that Ord. #30 requires a permit to move any building over Village streets, that Mr. LaMere should survey his property X44 5/8/72 to determine the exact line ,.then if the building is over the line, to write to Mr. Houle ordering him to move it off, and if he refuses, to charge him with trespass. He thought that Mr. Hutchison would inspect the property at no charge for health reasons. Mr. Myhre noted that the horses had gotten out, and that the problem is that Mr. Houle has an agreement to let this other person use the building and land. 1 Mr. Marier moved to send a letter to Mr. Hutchison advising him of the situation and getting the legal description to tell him where to go. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. After more discussion, Mr. Cardinal moved to issue a tag for moving a building over Village streets in violation of Ord. No. 30 to Bill Houle for the building on 80th St. between 20th Ave. and 24th Ave. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried. Mr. LaMere gave the description to the Clerk. Mr. Bohjanen asked for the Personnel Commission's recommendations on the applicants for an assistant Police Officer. Mrs. Swanson said that she had one opinion and the y (Commission) had another. She said that she would like to see the matter tabled until we get further applications, as she didn't feel they got a person we could completely accept. Two names had been discarded since they lived out of the area, which left three. Mrs. Swanson said that the application forms we have them fill out gives absolutely no information. She moved to accept a new application form that will give all the information we need pertaining to ability, qualification and everything we need. She listed her objections to our form and proposed using the form from Roseville which had a waiver which releases the Village from any liability in case of anything the officer might do while serving in that capacity. Mr. Myhre disagreed with the Roseville form, stating that it requested too many items which were unnecessary and not pertinent. III He suggested studying forms from several places and getting one that fills our needs. Members of the Personnel Commission asked to have the name of the person they had recommended read, noting that they had asked more questions of the persons they interviewed and had gotten all the information they wanted. Mr. Bohjanen noted that he had checked on the possibility of getting civil service exams for the police applicants, and found that the County doesn't do this anymore, and the State charges $50 to the Village for the tests plus $1 for each applicant. He said we didn't want to go that route on a $125 per month job. Mrs. Swanson agreed to table the application forms for the Personnel Commission to study. Mr. Cardinal asked her for the recommendation. Mrs. Swanson said that members of the Personnel Commission had said "this is the lesser of two evils, so we take this one as we have no more to choose from. He is single with no wife to complain on his hours." Mr. Carey stated that this was not true. Mr. Cartier said that the man they recommended works for Glenn Rehbein, and she could get Glenn's recommendation. Mrs. Swanson said that the form we use for regular personnel gives more information than this one. Mr. Jaworski said we still haven't heard the recommendation from the Personnel Commission and he wanted to hear it. Dick Carey, Chairman of the Personnel Commission, said that Clifford Ross, Jr., was recommended for Assistant Police Officer. Mr. Marier said that we must get the recommendation through the Liason member from the Council. Mr. Cardinal asked Mr. Carey if he didn't have the recommendation to give to the Liaison; Carey stated that she was at the meeting. Bohjanen asked if the Commission had voted on it; Carey said Yes. Mr. Bohjanen asked if Swanson was there when they voted; Carey said Yes. Mrs. Swanson stated that there was no vote taken that she knew of. Mr. Jaworski asked if the vote was unanimous; Mr. Carey said Yes. 1 5/8/72 245 Mr. Locher stated that the standard procedure was that the recommendation come from the Liaison; he asked if there were any minutes; Mr. Carey said that he had hand- written minutes at home. Mr. Bohjanen commented that we never had minutes from the Personnel Commission before. Mrs. Gould noted that she had been absent due to illness, and the set of minutes she had taken were not pertinent, being from the first meeting. Mrs. Swanson said she made a motion and wanted to know if it will be accepted, that the applications be made on the new form from Roseville, and that we run the advertisement again for at least I week in 3 different papers and in the Sun Publications, partic- ularly the North and Northeast areas. She had been told that military training was inadequate; they must be re- trained for civilian service; Mr. Myhre disagreed, noting that Virgil Lundberg was an MP for 4 years. Mr. Marier recommended, then seconded the motion by amending it to state that we send back to the Personnel Commission a copy of the application that the Liaison presented and ask them to pass on several if they like or adopt this one. There was further discussion and clarification on the motion, with the papers being changed to the Blaine Life and the Sun Publications, and that the persons who already applied be required to fill out whatever form the Personnel Commission adopts. Clerk questioned the timing on running the ads if there was no form adopted for applicants to fill out. Mr. Locher felt that the amendment made it a new motion; Mr. Marier agreed that the motion was now only to send the application forms to the Personnel Commission for study. Vote on this motion was unanimously in favor. There was further discussion. Mr. Locher suggested either tabling the matter or failing to act (on hiring an officer), saying that we couldn't act on this without a recommendation from the Liaison without breaching prior procedures. It was finally decided that the Personnel Commission should meet again to act on this. Mr. Marier said that the Liaison said they didn't vote on the recommendation and they should get together and do so. He asked who would call them together. Mrs. Swanson said it was her duty. Sign permit renewals were next on the agenda. Clerk had not obtained all information as to which signs were up or not, but listed those from Naegele, Meyer, 3M Advertising, and some individual ones which were up. Mr. Jaworski moved to table the matter of sign permits until the next meeting when a complete list of the status of the signs would be ready. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. The amendment to the Lexington Fire Contract was discussed. Mr. Locher noted a spelling error which should read "an integral ". Mr. Marier moved to approve the change in the Lexington Fire Contract. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. Nominations to a Committee on Youth Activities were taken. Mr. Bohjanen suggested Steve Krube. Mr. Cardinal suggested Mike Cartier. Mr. Bohjanen said that he would like at least 5 names, but would take more, and that he wouldn't mind having 2 persons from the same area of the Village; also, Steve Krube had offered to serve as temporary coordinator of the Committee. It was decided to send these two people a letter. Mr. Marier asked about looking into the timing of Jerry Rosengren's work on his house. Neither the Mayor nor Clerk had checked into it yet. Mr. Bohjanen said he would have the Building Inspector move on this if the 60 days were up. Mrs. Swanson noted that Robert Wilson was doing things again, and thought that his building must have been moved in. Mr. Bohjanen noted that the building was constructed on the site, that the County is checking on this, but had not yet reported back. Mr. Gotwald commented that the buried cable which Northwestern Bell wanted to put in LaMotte Road would be 3' from the property line in the boulevard, and recommended approval. Mr. Cardinal moved to pass on Northwestern Bell's request to bury cable in LaMotte Road. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Carried with Mr. Marier abstaining. 246 5/8/72 Mr. Marier moved to accept the application of Dwayne Cardinal, dba D -C General Builders, for a sewer installation license. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. Mr. Cardinal noted that Mrs. Leibel had asked about the Watershed Board meeting with Centerville; he said that they were not scheduled to meet together, but that the counci is welcome to come to the Board meetings which are held on the first and third Wednesdays of each month. The bills were audited. Mr. Gotwald answered questions from Mr. Marier on the bill from Keys Well Drilling on the Vertical turbine pump, noting that the total bid was $3000, and that the pump was not complete in place, although listed as such on the bills, since the bills are written as items are listed in the bids. Mrs. Swanson asked the Clerk how many purchase orders she had used; Clerk said about 45. Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Jaworski what was left on the list of equipment to be purchased and was told the rear -end grease gun at $90; he would provide a break- down by next time. Mrs. Swanson noted that there was no mention of checks #4373 -4375 on either this list of bills or the last list and wanted them listed on the sheet for next time. Mr. Jaworski moved to approve payment of bills #4378 -4393. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson. Carried. It was decided that the bill from Mr. Gotwald for inspection in March would be held until next time. Clerk explained that the original bill had not arrived, and the duplicate was just received. Mr. Cardinal moved to adjourn at 12:15 A.M. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Aye. Verk- Treasurer Minutes approved at the meeting of May 22, 1972 April 24, 1972 The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Village Council held on April 24, 1972, was called to order at 8 P.M. by Mayor Bohjanen with all members present, as well Mr. Locher, Attorney, and Mrs. Emerton, Clerk- Treasurer. There was some discussion with Mrs. Swanson asking if the members knew what the "specialized system" was that Mr. Gotwald had felt was needed in the 4th Avenue area. Mr. Marier thought this referred to a large tank to serve tjat area/ Mrs. Swanson felt there was an error on Page 13, paragraph 5 (April 10th) in the title of policemen - she thought we had designated them as "peace officers" rather than "police officers ", and moved that their title be change to "assistant peace officers ". There was considerable discussion on this with Mr. Locher checking State statutes and noting that the laws do not mention "assistant constables, but that he didn't feel it would make any difference if they were called "police" or "peace" officers. Mr. Locher listed the duties of the various officers; Mr. Marier seconded the motion. Vote: Aye -- Swanson; No-- Cardinal, Jaworski, Marier and Bohjanen. Motion failed. Mr. Bohjanen noted that the men would be called Police Officers in the future. Mrs. Gould asked Mr. Locher to define the various titles. Mr. Locher stated that constables serve papers, usually serve in town- ships, have no real powers and can only receive a limited salary. He saw no difference in peace and police officers. The Clerk reported the following: 1. Receipt of affidavits of publication of the hearing on amending Ord. 56.