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May 8, 1972
The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Council held on May 8, 1972 was
called to order at 8 P.M. by Mayor Bohjanen with all members present as well
as Attorney Locher, Engineer Gotwald and Clerk- Treasurer Mrs. Emerton.
Mrs. Swanson asked the Clerk if we were paying any Federal gas tax on the
Skelly bills; Clerk said No. Mrs. Swanson advised the Clerk to take the
Federal tax under advisement when computing the monthly gasoline records.
Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Cardinal about his saying at the April 24th meeting
that no remarks had been made on the County park proposal at the Park Board
meeting when the minutes say that it was discussed later. Mr. Cardinal said
that no remarks were made concerning it while he was alone with the Park Board.
Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Locher if we had no exempted areas (referring to the
PCA burning variance); he said that the forms are being completed to request
exempted areas.
Mrs. Swanson asked if a
Rosengren's work on his
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check of the minutes had been made regarding Jerry
house. Mr. Bohjanen said that he had not had time
Marier felt an answer would come during the meeting.
Mr. Jaworski moved to approve the April 24th minutes as corrected. Seconded
by Mr. Marier. Carried.
Mr. Jaworski moved to approve the minutes of the May 1st meeting as corrected.
Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried with Mr. Jaworski voting No.
At the request of Mrs. Rykel, following discussion, Mr. Marier moved that we
write a letter to the County asking them to look into the matter of Birch
Street between Centerville Road and 20th Avenue as to proper ditching and
putting in necessary culverts. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
The Clerk read letters from the following:
1. Metro Sewer-Board, dated May 5th, advising that MSB had determined
on May 3rd that the 1972 cost allocation for Lino Lakes be withdrawn, and
no allocation of costs would be made for the year 1972.
2. Alfred Fisher, dated May 5th, that he would be unable to have a com-
pleted soild map with urban interpretations by May 8th, but would be able
to present the completed map on May 22nd.
3. Meeker Magner Co., dated May 4th, advising that the
Stanley E. Thayer and been returned to them for cancellation
April 15th and they were notified that Mr. Thayer had placed
with the Reserve Insurance Co. Clerk noted she had received
coverage from the second company.
4. John Fallon, Supt. pf M.R.D.C., Dated April 27th, thanking the
Police Dept. for their excellent cooperation in times of need, and com-
mending two officers; who, on April 22nd, had provided an emergency escort
and revived a youth being taken to Ramsey County Hospital.
5. Maxine Swanson, Dated May 8th, tendering her resignation as
Trustee effective June 5th due to personal responsibilities and obligations
requiring her fullest considerations.
Mr. Cardinal moved, on Mayor Bohjanen's recommendation, to accept with
regret Mrs. Swanson's resignation which was tendered due to personal
responsibilities, and thanking her for what she has endeavored to do in
laying down office procedure. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried.
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Clerk reported obtaining red tags which could be used by both the Building
and Plumbing Inspectors. Mr. Marier asked her to send some to both Inspectors,
and to send a copy of the new plumbing regulations to the Plumbing Inspector;
Clerk said regulations had been sent.
Mr. Marier asked the Clerk how she was coming on the new monthly reporting
forms and was told that she had been too busy to make them up yet. Mr. Marier
told Mr. Bohjanen that he would like to get this going by July. Mr. Bohjanen
said that we could make the July 1st deadline if we get a Deputy Clerk.
Mrs. Swanson asked of the letter was sent to Hugo; Clerk said No, that she
needed some information first. Mrs. Swanson noted that this was the second
meeting at which Clerk had been asked about the letter. Mr. Bohjanen asked
Mr. Jaworski to get in touch with the Clerk with the information.
Mr. Cardinal reported that bids were sent out for grading and preparing the
baseball diamonds, but no bids had been received by the deadline or to date.
Mr. Cardinal said he had received a request to put snowfence all around the
little league ball diamond to keep the players in andothers out. He thought
it would take about 8 rolls of fence, at a cost of about $8 each, and moved
to authorize purchase of same. Mr. Jaworski asked if we could use the same
fence that we have in the outfield; Cardinal said No, since we need more and
this would stay up all year around. Mr. Marier seconded the motion, noting
that it was for the safety of the children. Motion Carried.
Mr. Cardinal reported that the Park Board members have copies of the wetlands
ordinance from Orono and will consider this at their next meeting.
Mr. Cardinal stated that it doesn't look like the Lexington League will play
on our diamonds, but they haven't let him know. Mr. Bohjanen commented that
this leaves us more area for our kids to play.
Mr. Cardinal presented a map showing the boundaries of the Rice Creek Watershed
District which is to be kept at the Hall.
Mr. Cardinal reported that the Rice Creek Watershed Board had received 61 names
for the Advisory Board, that some of these were volunteers, that there are
33 communities involved, and that the Board Managers meets in Centerville.
MR. Jaworski asked Mr. Cardinal to see that the bleachers we got for free are
put up and suggested that they be painted, probably taking 2 coats of paint.
Mr. Cardinal stated that they are being put up. Mr. Marier felt we should get
bids on the paint. On Mrs. Swanson's suggestion, Mr. Bohjanen asked Mr.
Cardinal to check and see if we can get the County men to do this painting.
Mr. Marier noted that some three weeks time has elapsed since hearing the County
Park proposal and thought it was time to give them an answer. Mr. Marier moved
to send a letter to the County stating that we turn down their total proposal
of a 2400 acre park for Lino Lakes. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Carried. Mr.
Marier noted that he had a counter proposal which he would bring up later
under his report.
The hearing on amending Ordinance No. 56 as to minimum square footage require-
ments was called to order at 8:30 P.M. Mr. Locher read the requirements for
amending a zoning ordinance, noted that notice had been placed in the paper at
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least 10 days previous to the hearing, and read the contents of the notice.
Mr. Bohjanen noted that the proposed changes had originated at the
P &Z andasked for any remarks in favor or any other changes.
William Bucch, Attorney on behalf of U.S.Lakes Development Co., spoke
in opposition to the changes as proposed:
1. It would place a burden on the company because they had made
their plans using the zoning code.
2. Their models are barely under the presents limits and this
puts them into jeopardy.
3. Overall, the square footages proposed are on the high side,
and something else could be worked out later to be comparable
with other areas.
4. We could adopt this on a midified basis, and that U.S. 'Lakes'
models should be grand - fathered under this if it is adopted .
5. The changes run afoul of the State Building Code, which has
a binding effect on all minicipalities unless they make a
variance request. The 90 aq. ft. minimum area for living
areas is set under the Code.
6. "Liveable areas" is not defined clearly, such as whether they
include walk -in closets.
There was considerable discussion on this. Mr. Locher stated that:
1. He had talked with Richard Hauck of the State today who
reiterated his feelings that the square footage per room is
an absolute figure, but this has not been put to a test.
2. A combined living room - kitchen, for example, could be 150 sq. ft.
but all single livable areas must be at least 90 sq. ft.
3. If more than two persons are sleeping in one room, then 50 sq. ft.
must be added to the room.
4. The 90 sq. ft. does not include closets, vestibules, etc.
5. There will be a hearing in June 7th in the State Office Building
at 9 A.M. on Rochester's request to delete all minimum living spaces.
6. State feels it has the right to limit minimum square footage;
however, if the law becomes abused, it will be attacked by the
Legislature.
Mr. Busch read a list of municipalities and their minimum requirements; except
for three, they either had no minimums or were lower than this proposal. Mrs.
Swanson asked if he was getting the tax -base figures at the same time; he said
No. Mr. Marier countered by reading a list of minicipalities and their minimum
requirements which were higher than the proposal, noting that his list was of
minicipalities closer to this area.
Clyde Rehbein offered the following comments:
1. Some of the minicipalities listed have allowances for split foyers,
garages and other items.
2. He brought copies of his proposal on minimums to the Council and
asked them to bend a little on their proposal as he had done in his
proposal.
3. Gave an estimate that a 950 sq. ft. rambler with a garage would
bring in $I00 more in taxes that 1000 sq. ft. without a garage.
4. Noted that we are asking for poor quality by increasing the square
footage by inviting competition from pre -fabs, trailers and modular
homes. He would be priced out of the market.
5. Told Mrs. Gould that it would cost more than $5000 to buy an im-
proved lot in one of his developments, and that builders are making
less percentage -wise per home than before.
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Mr. Bohjanen moted that Blaine had to change their ordinance which requires
1040 sq. ft. minimum to adding a garage and one -half in that minimum so they
would't get low -cost housing.
Glenn Rehbein commented that he had seen an article in the Minneapolis paper
lately on 904 sq. ft. homes for retired people, and stated that he was trying to
get older people in his project rather than younger ones with four kids.
Mr. Marier moved to adopt Ordinance No. 56 A.
Mr. Jaworski asked for the recommendation of the P &Z which Mr. Locher read. Mr.
Marier noted that the Council had included condominiums with the townhouses.
Roy Stanley stated that there should be lower minimums for split -foyer and split -
entry houses, that 600 sq. ft. per floor on splits whether finished or not, and
that taxes are based on both floors on the splits whether finished or not, and that
no one could afford to build splits with 1000 sq. ft. on both floors.
Mr. Locher noted that the P &Z recommendation didn't say the minimum was for each
floor in a split home. Mr. Marier said that the 1000 sq. ft. referred to the out-
side dimensions of the building, that the 100 sq. ft. minimum was for living areas
only, and that it doesn't say anything about how much living area has to be in
that 1000 sq. ft.
Dick Zelinka asked for the meaning of a 'basementless home'; Roy Stanley said this
means homes on a slab.
Clyde Rehbein read the proposal for minimums he had given to the Council:
Rambler, 12 Story, Split Foyer, or Split Level
1000 sq. ft. less 50 sq. ft. if there is an attached garage, and less
an additional 50 sq. ft. if there is 2 bedrooms instead of 3 bedrooms.
2 Story
900 sq. ft. pn the main floor or 700 sq. ft. if there is a double
attached garage.
90 sq. ft. minimum on bedrooms.
Clyde also commented that if they have to make the bedrooms 100 sq. ft. in size,
then they will make the living room or something else smaller to compensate.
Roy Stanley felt that even with 90 sq. ft. minimums you wouldn't find any 3-
bedroom rambler as small as 1000 sq. ft.
John McLean commented that in reading Clyde's recommendation, relating to what
the P &Z did, this would give an answer in a flexible way and that we should consider
the amendment on a smaller format.
Mrs. Swanson seconded the motion on the floor.
There was discussion on the tax base under the two proposals, the extras which are
put in Clyde's houses and the sizes of bedrooms.
Ken Rehbein and Dick Cartier both asked that the builders meet with the Council,
the P &Z and the Assessor first before adoption on the amendment. Mrs. Swanson
felt that we should have the same requirements as the surrounding villages; Mr.
McLean said that we should take care of the 2- bedroom approach.
Mr. Marier withdrew his motion on the floor, and moved that we adopt the pro-
posed Ordinance No. 56A with the fol4owing insertions:
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Ramblers
1 Z Story
Split Level
Split Foyer
1000 sq. ft.
1000 sq. ft.
1000 sq. ft.
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If there is an attached garage, there can 50 sq. ft. less.
If there are 2 bedrooms, there can 50 sq. ft. less, and additional if
there are 2 instead of 3 bedrooms.
There will not be less that 1000 sq. ft. in any instance with no garage.
2 Story 900 sq. ft. on the main floor and 750 sq. ft.
on the second floor.
For an attached double garage there can be 50 sq. ft. less.
The minimum square footage of livable areas stands at 100 sq. ft.
Motion seconded by Mrs. Swanson.
There was more discussion with the builders feeling that the minimums were
still too high for a 2 Story building. Mr. Marier felt the matter should be
acted upon tonight as there had been two hearings on this already with no
input.
Vote on the motion: Aye- Marier and Swanson; No- Jaworski, Cardinal and
Bohjanen. Motion failed.
Mr. Marier wished to have a vote on the original motion which wasn't voted on,
and moved to adopt the original Ordinance No. 56A. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson.
Vote: Aye- Swanson; No- Cardinal;, Jaworski, Marier and Bohjanen. Failed.
Mr. Jaworski moved to send the ordinance back to the P &Z for study with the
developers and the tax assessor. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried. The
meeting was set for May 24th at 8 P.M. Mr. Marier asked Mr. Bohjanen to
attend this meeting to get the right input on this.
Mr. Jaworski moved to close the hearing at 9:34 P.M. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal.
Carried.
Mr. Jaworski asked Mr. Locher fi he had heard from Mrs. Wilhelmy's attorney;
Mr. Locher said they had talked back and forth. Mr. Gotwald said that she had
had her surveyor survey the property, and that those stakes were 5 -6' further
in (towards her house) than Gotwald's stakes were, which were based on the St.
Paul Waterworks boundaries. Mr. Jaworski asked if it was okay to start working
on Peltier or do we have to wait for work from her attorney. Mr. Locher said
that we must wait in case of adverse posession; he asked Mr. Gotwald if it were
okay if we went by her stakes. Mr. Gotwald said Yes, noting that we could take
more trees (by using her stakes), but that we don't need to remove the few
large trees, and there would be no sense in doing so.
Mr. Jaworski moved to have Mr. Locher contact Mrs. Wilhelmy's attorney and get
a letter stating what stakes we are to go by on Peltier Drive, with a copy to
be sent to Mr. Gotwald and copies to made for the Council. Seconded by Mr.
Cardinal. Carried.
Mr. Gotwald was asked to explain his cost estimates on seal- coating village
roads for 1972. He read through the list as follows:
1. All roads in the Lakeview Area - 15,840 ft.
Bituminous Material $3,000.00
Seal Aggregate 4,600.00
Total $7,600.00
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2. Bald Eagte Blvd. 4,800 ft.
Bituminous material
Seal Aggregate
Total
3. Linda & Laurene - 1,720 ft.
Bituminous material
Seal Aggregate
Total
4. Oak Lane - 4,000 ft.
Bituminous material
Seal Aggregate
Total
5. Rolling Hills Drive - 2,450 ft
Bituminous for prime
Bituminous for seal coat
Seal Aggregate
6. Ware Road - 6,600 ft.
Bituminous prime material
Bituminous material
Seal Aggregate
Total
Total
$ 707.00
1,128.00
$1,835.00
$ 258.00
424.00
$ 682.00
$ 593.00
864.00
$ 1,457.00
$ 250.00
362.00
584.00
$ 1;196.00
$1,000.00
1 ,000.00
1,584.00
$3,585.00
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The above seal coat price includes precleaning the street, furnishing and apply-
ing bituminous material, seal aggregate and removal of surplus aggregate.
Mr. Gotwald noted that it would involve additional costs to advertise for bids,
and that the cost could be reduced by having our men do some of the hauling and
cleanup. Mr. Gotwald noted that the Council had decided to gravel Pine Street
instead of doing any of the 3 alternatives he had listed. Mr'. Gotwald suggested
that informal bids be obtained on separate portions of the work so that no item
would cost more than $5000 in order to eliminate advertising.
There was discussion on whether the budget would cover thw work, with Mr.
Jaworski stating that he could meet the budget with this program and still have
money left for emergencies and a surplus at the end of the year.
There was discussion on Holly Drive with Mr. Marier noting that we have been
talking about it long enough and something should be done, and that according
to Centerville's old records they had maintained it, and that the owners along
that particular portion say that it was improved at one time.
Mr. Jaworski thought the Engineer should make a cost estimate on putting in
4 culverts and making a 24' roadbed.
After more discussion, Mr. Marier moved to make the portion of Holly Drive by
Grygelko's passable and to have the Engineer check on the cost of culverts and
gravel. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson. Carried. It was decided to get easements
on this and see that they are filed.
After discussion, Mr. Jaworski moved to get bids on the road work on Mr. Gotwald's
list, and to check the culverts in the roads first. Seconded by Mr. Marier.
Carried.
Mrs. Swanson asked if anything was done on the easements on Sunrise Avenue from
St. Joe's. Mr. Jaworski said there has been a turmoil down at the Church so
nothing had been done on this yet, but it would get done.
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The Clerk was asked to read a letter from Mr. Hutchison, dated April 24th, regarding
what we might do in our area as far as septic systems are concerned. Mr. Marier
noted that people had been concerned about this at the open meeting in April and
we told them we would have answers for them. He asked Mr. Gotwald if he had looked
at the areas concerned.
Mr. Gotwald stated that one place on South 4th Avenue just North of Lilac St. had
their drainfield too close to 4th Avenue. At the other place, Andall St., it would
be virtually impossible to build systems according to State Code. He felt that houses
in that area should be built on a slab and elevated to put the septic system at least
4' above the water table, and then the system wouldn't work long. He thought it
would take a specialized system of enclosed tanks which require pumping.
Mr. Marier asked if 2000 gallon tanks with 4 -5 houses hooked up on a community basis
would work. Mr. Gotwald said the existing houses are too low to do this, but they
might have the sewage flow into a collection tank and then pump up to a junction box.
Or, they could put in a larger tank (collection). Mr. Gotwald noted that the average
family uses 200 gallons of wastewater a day, and 10 homes would put out 2000 gallons.
This would require frequent pumping which is not too feasible and out of the question
economically. He stated that they could use a solid tank system and pump frequently.
Mr. Marier moved that we should write to the people on Andall St. and tell them
that there has been a study made in their area by the Council and the Engineer, giving
them the two alternatives for septic system improvements for guidelines. Seconded
by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
Mr. Marier asked if the people along Main St. with septic problems can take care of
this with adding drainfield. Mr. Gotwald said Yes, at a maximum depth of 24 ", but
they must find the water table. Mr. Gotwald suggested the people contact the
Plumbing inspector. Mr. Marier suggested that the Engineer do the advising. Mr.
Gotwald agreed that they could make recommendations together.
Mr. Marier moved to send a letter to the people on Main St., Ware Road and Maple St.
giving them suggestions on what we will do concerning their septic systems. Seconded
by Mr. Jaworski. Mrs. Jaworski asked if the Council was sending letters to business
places along Hwy. 8 who are having sewage problems such as the Oasis. She was advised
that if we receive complaints on them, they will be followed with the same procedure.
Motion carried.
Mr. Marier presented his map with the proposed open space areas. He stated that we
can ask for Federal grants to get the easements through HUD and two other agencies. He
noted that grants have been given out for this in amounts ranging from $3,700,000 down
to $100. He noted that he had driven out to find the low lands in Lino Lakes, that
he wants to preserve wild life in the open spaces which we can control.
Mr. Marier noted that Metro has never given us a feasible way of controlling or
acquiring land or giving us a tax - break. He said that if we pass the proposal he will
attempt to write up an application for easements for open spaces, habitat and preservation
of wild life. He thought the proposal included about I /4th the acerage of the County
proposal, that there was very little high land in it, but if there was any that someone
wanted to build on we could negotiate.
Mr. Marier moved that we adopt his open -space proposal. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson. Carried.
Mr. Jaworski moved that this be sent to the P &Z, the Park Board, the Environmental
Commission, the Planner and the Engineer for study. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
Mrs. Swanson suggested it be put up in the front of the Hall.
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Mr. Marier suggested, then moved that we have the Engineer make percolation tests
instead of the Plumbing Inspector, since the Plumbing Inspector has neither the know -
how nor the gear to do this. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Mr. Jaworski asked if the
cost was going back to the home - owners; Mr. Marier said it would be charged for on the
permit. Motion carried.
Mrs. Swanson reported that she had attended the Open Space Advisory Board meeting, and
that they were concerned with their classification system and definition of various
parks. Al Ko rdiak, Task Force Chairman, was asked by Larry Haeg why the fact that
there was no definition of county parks. The Board had adopted the classification
system omitting county classification for present. She was worried about what would
happen to Anoka County's 45,000 acres for parks.
Mrs. Swanson said it had come to her attention that the Clerk was not using carbon
copies for correspondence, and that since this is used by all municipalities, instead
of using photocopies, she recommended filing carbon copies. Both Mr. Jaworski and Mr.
Bohjanen felt one carbon copy would be sufficient.
Mrs. Swanson said that the question had come up several weeks ago about the Clerk
taking two days off without pay. The Personnel Commission was in accord with her
taking the two days off when we get someone to replace her. Mrs. Swanson wanted to be
sure that the minutes of the meeting before the Clerk's days off were completed
before she left. Mr. Bohjanen said this had already been passed on.
Mr. Locher had received a call from Mrs. Harold Leibel on a possible variance. Mrs.
Leibel stepped forward to say that her daughter and son -in -law had decided to take
22 acres instead of one acre, but she wondered about the possibility of the County
moving the road around Centerville Lake as mentioned by Mr. Burman. After discussion
it was decided that they could only assume the road would stay as it is, since we
had turned down the County's proposal tonight, and that they leave adequate set-
back just in case. Mrs. Leibel was advised that a percolation test would be
necessary.
Roger Barnes, Mayor of Blaine, was recognized. He noted that he has his place on
Hodgson Rd. rented, and that if the Council would grant it the renter would like to
put in a used car lot. However, the man hasn't been before the P &Z, so the matter
will have to wait.
Glenn Rehbein asked if the Council had passed on having percolation tests to 4'
below the ground. Mr. Gotwald said this doesn't have anything to do on groundwater,
but only to do with the 2' of ground on top. Glenn noted that you have to have 4'
plus 16" below the ground where no water can come in. Glenn said that the surface
water is less than 6' in a lot of the area, and thought the Engineer could verify this.
Mr. Gotwald agreed that in many areas the ground water is very close to the surface,
and that in places where you won't find water at 6 -7' in August, you can in May.
Glenn said that we have only a small area around Centerville where one can build,
noting that even by Mr. Marier's house the water is higher than 6'. Mr. Marier
disagreed, saying that you could go 300' from his house and still go down 6' before
you hit water. Mr. Marier stated that the percolation test has been in the
ordinance for some time, but not enforced, but now we are going to handle it.
Mrs. Swanson noted that in the last minutes the Clerk was to make copies of the
questionnaire on legal fees that the Attorney had filled out and wondered if the
Clerk had a copy. Clerk said she did and will make copies.
Mr. Bohjanen reported attending the meeting in Anoka on April 25th on the State
Building Code, and that Mr. Locher was the only attorney there.
Mr. Bohjanen reported that he had attended the May 3rd MSB meeting, and that we had
received a subsequent letter that they had dropped the 1972 allocation. He noted that
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we don't have the date yet that the matter will go to the Metro Council, but they
will send a letter.
Mr. Jaworski asked if MSB had indicated when they would start the engineering study.
Mr. Bohjanen and Mr. Marier both thought that it would take about 3 months. Mr.
Gotwald stated that the MSB engineer has started, and is working, on the study. The
final report should come within 4 months of the original date.
Mr. Bohjanen reported that the Police Dept. has been stopping in various places where
there are junk cars and excess junk. He recommended that we make May the regular
designated month for cleanup, and after June 1st we will tag excess junk or junk cars
and ask that they be removed. This was discussed with it being decided that flyers
would be distributed by the Police, CD and other organizations such as the Boy Scouts.
Mr. Jaworski moved to declare May as Lino Lakes Clean -Up Month, and that after June
1st we will tag junk cars. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Mrs. Swanson asked what
happens if you tag one and they don't remove it' she was advised that there would be
a warning ticket, then a tag and going to court. Motion carried.
Mr. Bohjanen noted that Saturday, May 13th, is National Buddy Poppy Day for the area,
and that the Lino Lakes VFW Auxiliary members will be selling poppies in the Village
with all proceeds going to Vets and their families. Mr. Bohjanen then declared
May 13th as Poppy Day in Lino Lakes for 1972.
Council members had received no volunteers to serve on the Rice Creek Watershed
Advisory Board Mr. Cardinal said that the Board of Managers had received the names
of Glenn Rehbein, John McLean and Art Hawkins as volunteers. Mrs. Swanson asked Mr.
Cardinal if he had asked these men to serve; he said No, that it would be a conflict
of interest. Mr. Marier asked Mr. Rehbein how he had heard about the Advisory Board;
Glenn said he has been coming to the meetings, and that he was quite interested
since the Watershed involved quite a bit of his land.
After discussion, Mr. Marier moved that we have Mr. Cardinal report back to the
Council on the outcome of the Watershed meetings, and to send a letter to the
volunteers that they may participate if they want to. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Mr.
Jaworski asked how many advisors there would be; Mr. Cardinal didn't know, but said
they had 61 names so far and they won't turn anyone down' however, some drop out when
they find out there is work involved.
Mrs. Swanson asked what is the pertinence of the Advisory Board; Mr. Cardinal said
that the Board of Managers was still getting organized, have adopted by -laws, and
setting up rules, and regulations which have not been adopted yet. They are pushing
for an advisory board so they can get an overall plan started.
Mrs. Swanson asked about the canoe trip scheduled to see how far they could go on the
open waterways. Mr. Cardinal said that the trip had been set for last Saturday, but
it was bad so they didn't go; it will be set up again.
Vote on the motion carried with Mr. Cardinal abstaining. Mrs. Leibel asked what date
was set for the Watershed Board to meet with Centerville. Mr. Cardinal said there was
none set to meet with the Council that he knew of.
Elmer LaMere came forward to show pictures of a small building and manure which he had
taken out of his window, stating that the building had been moved in by Bill Houle
without a permit, that he had asked him to move it but he won't, and that the building
is on his (LaMere's) land. There was considerable discussion, with Mr. LaMere
stating that the person occupying the building was Paul Buckby, a hippy -type with long hair,
who is there most of the time, and that Buckby's horses run on his (LaMere's) land
instead of their owner's 60 acres. Mr. Locher advised that Ord. #30 requires a permit
to move any building over Village streets, that Mr. LaMere should survey his property
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to determine the exact line ,.then if the building is over the line, to write to Mr.
Houle ordering him to move it off, and if he refuses, to charge him with trespass. He
thought that Mr. Hutchison would inspect the property at no charge for health reasons.
Mr. Myhre noted that the horses had gotten out, and that the problem is that Mr.
Houle has an agreement to let this other person use the building and land.
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Mr. Marier moved to send a letter to Mr. Hutchison advising him of the situation and
getting the legal description to tell him where to go. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
After more discussion, Mr. Cardinal moved to issue a tag for moving a building over
Village streets in violation of Ord. No. 30 to Bill Houle for the building on 80th
St. between 20th Ave. and 24th Ave. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Carried. Mr. LaMere
gave the description to the Clerk.
Mr. Bohjanen asked for the Personnel Commission's recommendations on the applicants for
an assistant Police Officer. Mrs. Swanson said that she had one opinion and the y
(Commission) had another. She said that she would like to see the matter tabled until
we get further applications, as she didn't feel they got a person we could completely
accept. Two names had been discarded since they lived out of the area, which left three.
Mrs. Swanson said that the application forms we have them fill out gives absolutely
no information. She moved to accept a new application form that will give all the
information we need pertaining to ability, qualification and everything we need. She
listed her objections to our form and proposed using the form from Roseville which had
a waiver which releases the Village from any liability in case of anything the officer
might do while serving in that capacity. Mr. Myhre disagreed with the Roseville form,
stating that it requested too many items which were unnecessary and not pertinent.
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He suggested studying forms from several places and getting one that fills our needs.
Members of the Personnel Commission asked to have the name of the person they had
recommended read, noting that they had asked more questions of the persons they
interviewed and had gotten all the information they wanted.
Mr. Bohjanen noted that he had checked on the possibility of getting civil service
exams for the police applicants, and found that the County doesn't do this anymore,
and the State charges $50 to the Village for the tests plus $1 for each applicant.
He said we didn't want to go that route on a $125 per month job.
Mrs. Swanson agreed to table the application forms for the Personnel Commission to
study. Mr. Cardinal asked her for the recommendation. Mrs. Swanson said that
members of the Personnel Commission had said "this is the lesser of two evils, so we
take this one as we have no more to choose from. He is single with no wife to
complain on his hours." Mr. Carey stated that this was not true.
Mr. Cartier said that the man they recommended works for Glenn Rehbein, and she could
get Glenn's recommendation. Mrs. Swanson said that the form we use for regular
personnel gives more information than this one.
Mr. Jaworski said we still haven't heard the recommendation from the Personnel
Commission and he wanted to hear it. Dick Carey, Chairman of the Personnel Commission,
said that Clifford Ross, Jr., was recommended for Assistant Police Officer. Mr.
Marier said that we must get the recommendation through the Liason member from
the Council.
Mr. Cardinal asked Mr. Carey if he didn't have the recommendation to give to the
Liaison; Carey stated that she was at the meeting. Bohjanen asked if the Commission
had voted on it; Carey said Yes. Mr. Bohjanen asked if Swanson was there when they
voted; Carey said Yes. Mrs. Swanson stated that there was no vote taken that she
knew of. Mr. Jaworski asked if the vote was unanimous; Mr. Carey said Yes.
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Mr. Locher stated that the standard procedure was that the recommendation come from
the Liaison; he asked if there were any minutes; Mr. Carey said that he had hand-
written minutes at home. Mr. Bohjanen commented that we never had minutes from the
Personnel Commission before. Mrs. Gould noted that she had been absent due to illness,
and the set of minutes she had taken were not pertinent, being from the first meeting.
Mrs. Swanson said she made a motion and wanted to know if it will be accepted, that
the applications be made on the new form from Roseville, and that we run the advertisement
again for at least I week in 3 different papers and in the Sun Publications, partic-
ularly the North and Northeast areas. She had been told that military training was
inadequate; they must be re- trained for civilian service; Mr. Myhre disagreed, noting
that Virgil Lundberg was an MP for 4 years. Mr. Marier recommended, then seconded the
motion by amending it to state that we send back to the Personnel Commission a copy
of the application that the Liaison presented and ask them to pass on several if they
like or adopt this one.
There was further discussion and clarification on the motion, with the papers being
changed to the Blaine Life and the Sun Publications, and that the persons who already
applied be required to fill out whatever form the Personnel Commission adopts. Clerk
questioned the timing on running the ads if there was no form adopted for applicants to
fill out. Mr. Locher felt that the amendment made it a new motion; Mr. Marier agreed
that the motion was now only to send the application forms to the Personnel Commission
for study. Vote on this motion was unanimously in favor.
There was further discussion. Mr. Locher suggested either tabling the matter or
failing to act (on hiring an officer), saying that we couldn't act on this without a
recommendation from the Liaison without breaching prior procedures.
It was finally decided that the Personnel Commission should meet again to act on this.
Mr. Marier said that the Liaison said they didn't vote on the recommendation and
they should get together and do so. He asked who would call them together. Mrs.
Swanson said it was her duty.
Sign permit renewals were next on the agenda. Clerk had not obtained all information
as to which signs were up or not, but listed those from Naegele, Meyer, 3M Advertising,
and some individual ones which were up. Mr. Jaworski moved to table the matter of
sign permits until the next meeting when a complete list of the status of the signs
would be ready. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
The amendment to the Lexington Fire Contract was discussed. Mr. Locher noted a spelling
error which should read "an integral ". Mr. Marier moved to approve the change in the
Lexington Fire Contract. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
Nominations to a Committee on Youth Activities were taken. Mr. Bohjanen suggested
Steve Krube. Mr. Cardinal suggested Mike Cartier. Mr. Bohjanen said that he would like
at least 5 names, but would take more, and that he wouldn't mind having 2 persons from
the same area of the Village; also, Steve Krube had offered to serve as temporary
coordinator of the Committee. It was decided to send these two people a letter.
Mr. Marier asked about looking into the timing of Jerry Rosengren's work on his house.
Neither the Mayor nor Clerk had checked into it yet. Mr. Bohjanen said he would have the
Building Inspector move on this if the 60 days were up.
Mrs. Swanson noted that Robert Wilson was doing things again, and thought that his
building must have been moved in. Mr. Bohjanen noted that the building was constructed
on the site, that the County is checking on this, but had not yet reported back.
Mr. Gotwald commented that the buried cable which Northwestern Bell wanted to put in
LaMotte Road would be 3' from the property line in the boulevard, and recommended
approval. Mr. Cardinal moved to pass on Northwestern Bell's request to bury cable in
LaMotte Road. Seconded by Mr. Jaworski. Carried with Mr. Marier abstaining.
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Mr. Marier moved to accept the application of Dwayne Cardinal, dba D -C General
Builders, for a sewer installation license. Seconded by Mr. Cardinal. Carried.
Mr. Cardinal noted that Mrs. Leibel had asked about the Watershed Board meeting with
Centerville; he said that they were not scheduled to meet together, but that the counci
is welcome to come to the Board meetings which are held on the first and third
Wednesdays of each month.
The bills were audited. Mr. Gotwald answered questions from Mr. Marier on the bill
from Keys Well Drilling on the Vertical turbine pump, noting that the total bid
was $3000, and that the pump was not complete in place, although listed as such on
the bills, since the bills are written as items are listed in the bids.
Mrs. Swanson asked the Clerk how many purchase orders she had used; Clerk said about
45. Mrs. Swanson asked Mr. Jaworski what was left on the list of equipment to be
purchased and was told the rear -end grease gun at $90; he would provide a break-
down by next time.
Mrs. Swanson noted that there was no mention of checks #4373 -4375 on either this
list of bills or the last list and wanted them listed on the sheet for next time.
Mr. Jaworski moved to approve payment of bills #4378 -4393. Seconded by Mrs. Swanson.
Carried. It was decided that the bill from Mr. Gotwald for inspection in March
would be held until next time. Clerk explained that the original bill had not
arrived, and the duplicate was just received.
Mr. Cardinal moved to adjourn at 12:15 A.M. Seconded by Mr. Marier. Aye.
Verk- Treasurer
Minutes approved at the meeting of May 22, 1972
April 24, 1972
The regular meeting of the Lino Lakes Village Council held on April 24, 1972, was
called to order at 8 P.M. by Mayor Bohjanen with all members present, as well Mr.
Locher, Attorney, and Mrs. Emerton, Clerk- Treasurer.
There was some discussion with Mrs. Swanson asking if the members knew what the
"specialized system" was that Mr. Gotwald had felt was needed in the 4th Avenue area.
Mr. Marier thought this referred to a large tank to serve tjat area/
Mrs. Swanson felt there was an error on Page 13, paragraph 5 (April 10th) in the title
of policemen - she thought we had designated them as "peace officers" rather than
"police officers ", and moved that their title be change to "assistant peace officers ".
There was considerable discussion on this with Mr. Locher checking State statutes
and noting that the laws do not mention "assistant constables, but that he didn't
feel it would make any difference if they were called "police" or "peace" officers.
Mr. Locher listed the duties of the various officers;
Mr. Marier seconded the motion. Vote: Aye -- Swanson; No-- Cardinal, Jaworski, Marier
and Bohjanen. Motion failed. Mr. Bohjanen noted that the men would be called
Police Officers in the future. Mrs. Gould asked Mr. Locher to define the various
titles. Mr. Locher stated that constables serve papers, usually serve in town-
ships, have no real powers and can only receive a limited salary. He saw no
difference in peace and police officers.
The Clerk reported the following:
1. Receipt of affidavits of publication of the hearing on amending Ord. 56.