HomeMy WebLinkAbout09/11/1993 Council MinutesSPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING SEPTEMBER 11, 1993
CITY OF LINO LAKES
COUNCIL MINUTES
DATE September 11, 1993.
TIME STARTED 9:00 A.M.
TIME ENDED : 4:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Reinert, Neal, Kueth'er, Elliott, Bergeson
MEMBERS ABSENT : None
Staff members present: City Administrator, Randy Schumacher and
Recording Secretary, Joyce Lund. Mr. Larry Thompson of Public
Management Consultants was also present.
The purpose of the special meeting was to interview four (4)
candidates for the Lino Lakes Chief of Police position.
Mr. Thompson explained that the candidates will be interviewed in
ascending priority, however after the interviews the priority may
change. He explained that the questions for each candidate have
been arranged so that each Council Member will have a section.
Mayor Reinert said that each of the four (4) candidates are
qualified and the Council is looking at personality traits - and
asked the Council to remember those traits they did and did not
like during the interviews.
William A. Gillespie was the first candidate to be interviewed.
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Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Gillespie why he would be willing
to leave his present position.
Mr. Gillespie said the City of St. Paul was downsizing and he felt
he had enough experience in all phases of police work to run his
own shop.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Gillespie to briefly review his
law enforcement carrier.
Mr. Gillespie is currently a sergeant for the City of St. Paul and
highlighted his career.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Gillespie what kind of a
commitment he could make to the City of Lino Lakes.
Mr. Gillespie said he has lived in Lino for 18 years, and likes the
growth pattern. He is not looking for a job elsewhere - he is
working on getting his PHD at the University and is thinking of a
career change to teaching.
Council Member Elliott asked when Mr. Gillespie could start and he
said he could begin as Chief of Police with a two week notice to
the City of St. Paul - making the date around the first of October.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Gillespie what supervisory
experience he would be bringing to the City of Lino Lakes.
Mr. Gillespie said besides the experience he had already mentioned
he had volunteered for three summers as patrol supervisor, which
gave him experience in riots and investigation, planning,
scheduling and administrative duties. He expects to recognize
those things called problems and be able to find solutions.
Council Member Kuether asked if he would provide police training.
Mr. Gillespie said there are vendors that provide training and he
recommended 10/12 major seminars/year.
City Administrator Schumacher asked Mr. Gillespie about his
experience as a registered lobbyist. Mr. Gillespie said he would
go to the capitol and take material from good authors and present
that material to the legislators.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Gillespie his approach to problem
solving.
Mr. Gillespie said he saw problems as opportunities - if there were
no problems there would be no need for a leader. He believes in
the team process and is a collaborator. The process is to define
the problem and then do the research to find a suitable/acceptable
solution.
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Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Gillespie how he would proceed in
a case of serious misconduct.
Mr. Gillespie said that the law is very clear on how to proceed.
He would proceed with the notification/interview process on work
time or overtime. If it is criminal misconduct he would give the
person their rights. If there is to be disciplinary action he
would listen and get the full story from each point of view.
Sometimes these things can be mediated while on administrative
leave. For Administration to ignore or gloss over these things
would be destructive. There is remedial training available for
liability if nothing else and besides you want the situation to
improve.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Gillespie how he would deal with
mistrust within the department.
Mr. Gillespie said that he would spend time with the officers to
build relationships. He is a consensus builder and would build a
quality circle of both sworn and non -sworn personnel.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Gillespie what he would do if he
had large expectations on a limited budget.
Mr. Gillespie said that he believes in reality. There are outside
sources of funding for capitol improvements. He would prepare the
best budget he could and from then on it is Mr. Schumacher's ball.
Council Member Bergeson said that obviously Mr. Gillespie is a
finalist and asked him why he thought he would be a good fit here
in Lino.
Mr. Gillespie believes the Lino Lakes Police Department is a good
department and there is good communication. He is an educator and
could bring training and leadership quality into the department.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Gillespie in regard to his lobbying
experience, if the City Council would establish a policy that he
did not approve of would he lobby the Council Members individually.
Mr. Gillespie said he would deal with the City Council, however Mr.
Schumacher is his boss and he would not lobby the Council. He
knows what it feels like to have people go behind and around him.
He will not enter into the political process, and would refer the
matter to Mr. Schumacher.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Gillespie if he would be a working
Chief or sit in the office.
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Mr. Gillespie said he would have office hours from 8 AM to 4PM. He
expects to be on call 24 hours/day, and would expect to be called
when needed. He feels he is an educator/mentor and would cover in
a squad if needed. He knows the job would be more than a 40
hour/week job.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Gillespie how he would develop a
relationship with members of the Police Department.
Mr. Gillespie said the relationship would have to be built on
trust, he would listen and make the person the focus of his
attention.
Council Member Neal asked how Mr. Gillespie intended to gain a
working knowledge of the community.
Mr. Gillespie said he basically has a general knowledge of the area
and has seen the growth in the community. He would get into a
squad to drive around the community talking to the people and would
make an effort to meet with civic groups.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Gillespie his personal perception of Lino
Lakes.
Mr. Gillespie said he is aware of the partnership with Lexington
and Circle Pines. There is growth - it is quiet with no main
street and it is a suburban bedroom community.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Gillespie if he was aware of the City
within a City situation here. The City of Lino Lakes had the
Police contract but this year the contract was awarded to another
City. That Police Department must travel through our City to
provide service and back up - how would you deal with this
situation?
Mr. Gillespie said it makes sense to provide police/fire to
Centerville since we surround that City. The City Council must
establish the political bridge and he will provide all the
expertise he can to help the situation.
Council Member Neal asked about Columbus Township.
Mr. Gillespie said Columbus is another matter with diminishing
return. They are not surrounded by Lino Lakes and there would be
a matter of response time and would possibly need additional staff.
Council Member Bergeson asked on the political level and with the
police to back each other up, could you work with the current
Chief.
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Mr. Gillespie said in the squad car you do not have political
problems, only blue suits.
City Administrator Schumacher said that as long as Mr. Gillespie
had been in the community for a good length of time how did he
intend to deal with major issues in the Police Department.
Mr. Gillespie said he would provide additional training. With the
continued growth maybe the manpower should be increased to match
the community needs. The national average is one officer/2.2
thousand. Routine patrols accomplish almost nothing. Resources
are important to do Community Based Policing. This is expensive
and involves citizen contact - officers getting out of squads and
empowering the officer in endangering situations. This means
investing money and authority into an officer and comes from lots
of money for training. The question is that it does provide
structure and makes the community feel safer. He would advise to
train the officers elsewhere and he would provide continued inhouse
service and training.
City Administrator Schumacher asked Mr. Gillespie what he felt was
his weakest trait.
Mr. Gillespie said he felt it was to not recognize the difference
between a problem and a fact. By nature he is a nurturer and wants
to help even though sometimes people want to do it themselves.
City Administrator Schumacher asked Mr. Gillespie about his
involvement in the Minnesota Peace Officers Association.
Mr. Gillespie said that the activity included how to conduct
yourself, and to treat everybody professionally, honestly
and truthfully.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Gillespie his handicap in golf. Mr.
Gillespie said it was four.
Council Member Kuether said that we had nine police officers in 36
square miles and asked Mr. Gillespie the national average.
Mr. Gillespie said that the numbers differ and he would work with
Mr. Schumacher and the money involved. The most important factor
is citizen and officer safety - but do not ignore the numbers, they
were arrived at with reality.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Gillespie how he felt about auxiliary
policing.
Mr. Gillespie said it is a state law that volunteers cannot be
armed and they must have a clear understanding of their duties.
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Mayor Reinert remarked that Mr. Gillespie was coming out of a
highly technical department and Lino Lakes will be more
generalized. Mr. Gillespie said that he did not want to demean the
organization and will make a plan to do research and convince Mr.
Schumacher to make some changes.
Council Member Bergeson asked about Mr. Gillespie's concept of
getting into the community and out of the cars that would make
people feel safer and with the other elements moving into Lino how
will the people stay safe.
Mr. Gillespie remarked that Lino is isolated, and the growth is
structured. Problems are opportunities to succeed and respond to
what the community says they need from you.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Gillespie to comment on his personality as
a supervisor.
Mr. Gillespie said he is a consensus builder, he will research the
facts, nurture, mentor, take corrective measures and then educate.
Mayor Reinert asked how Mr. Gillespie would motivate teamwork.
Mr. Gillespie said he could not motivate but could educate and show
the department what is possible, you cannot motivate with control.
Mayor Reinert asked how Mr. Gillespie would evaluate performance.
Mr. Gillespie said he would decide what you want the department to
be, what the community, Council and Mr. Schumacher expects, so that
the department understands what they want and what they want the
department to do. He would prepare a worksheet and sketch in what
is expected of the officer and how that can be done.
Mayor Reinert asked as a policing professional what did Mr.
Gillespie expect of an officer.
Mr. Gillespie said he expected an officer to work hard, have fun
and make a difference.
Council Member Kuether asked about procedure.
Mr. Gillespie said he would work with Mr. Schumacher and not the
City Council. He referred to the "Big Dog Theory" - the big dog
eats first and wins.
Council Member Bergeson asked about Mr. Gillespie's philosophy
regarding traffic - do you find health/safety more important or do
you find tickets as a money maker.
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Mr. Gillespie said there are three concepts 1) a money maker means
big trouble, 2) he believes in compassion - using a warning, 3)
traffic accident needs enforcement. With a traffic stop a Field
Interview Card could be filled out for information, the opportunity
to make a person feel good with only a warning and there is a
danger of an officer being injured or killed. There would be
evaluations on the officers performance.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Gillespie if he felt video cameras
in the squad car would be an asset.
Mr. Gillespie said he felt cameras or anything extra in the vehicle
could be a deathtrap when there is an accident. They were a good
training tool however.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Gillespie what else he did.
Mr. Gillespie said he likes to golf, work on his computer because
he is in the process of writing three training booklets.
Larry Thompson asked Mr. Gillespie if he would like to add
anything. Mr. Gillespie said he could do a good job for Lino Lakes
and is looking forward to doing that.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Gillespie how much he is being
paid. Mr. Gillespie said $51,900/year in St. Paul.
Larry Thompson said he would be in contact with Mr. Gillespie on
Tuesday, after the City Council had made a decision at the meeting
on Monday night.
Mr. Gillespie thanked everyone for their time and the opportunity
to be here today.
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Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Pecchia why he would be willing to
leave his present position.
Mr. Peechia said he has been preparing his life to be a Chief
through experience and education and this is his goal.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Pecchia to briefly review his law
enforcement career.
Mr. Pecchia is currently a patrol supervisor for the City of
Crystal and highlighted his career.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Pecchia what kind of a commitment
he could make to the City of Lino Lakes.
Mr. Pecchia said Lino Lakes posed an interesting opportunity. He
is young, has a young family and would like a year to move into the
City because of his 8th grade daughter. He has changed his focus
while preparing himself for this career change, but has not moved
his family.
Council Member Elliott asked when Mr. Pecchia could start and he
said he could begin as Chief of Police with a two week notice to
the City of Crystal. He has put money down on a trip to the BWCA
and would like to go on that trip mid-October.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Pecchia about the Metro Managers
Association.
Mr. Pecchia said that had emergency preparedness dealing with
management issues and training. This experience he wants to bring
to Lino Lakes.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Peechia if he would be selected would
he be a working Chief or sit in the office.
Mr. Peechia said he expects to be in uniform, be out there and have
close contact with the community.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Peechia what hours he intended to
work - daily and on weekends.
Mr. Peechia said he would anticipate different hours. He would
work with Mr. Schumacher so his hours would be flexible. This
would put him "out there" at different times of the day to. meet the
needs of the community.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Peechia his approach to problem
solving.
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Mr. Peechia said he would expend effort toward the goal of putting
problems to rest. He would expect the men to mediate among
themselves and as a last resort he would get involved and define
the roles.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Pecchia how he would proceed in
a case of serious misconduct.
Mr. Pecchia said if the allegation is criminal he would get the
county sheriff involved. If this is a policy violation he would
ask the trained officers to investigate - following the rights
procedure, giving the benefit of the doubt to the officer to do a
complete/thorough investigation.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Peechia how he would approach
anxiety and mistrust within the department.
Mr. Peechia said he would have contact with the men and they would
know of his reputation. He would sit down with the department and
let them know who he is. He would let them know up front what is
important to him. As a team they could work through any problem
but the buck ultimately stops here - with the Chief. I am the
Chief and have gone in this direction. I always focus on the
positive.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Peechia what he would do to
develop a budget when there is a need but the money is lacking.
Mr. Pecchia said that growth needs a good foundation. He would
look at the problem - look at the budget and focus on resources
toward the community. He would put together a packet for programs
that are available for officers training, with the public and with
each other.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Peechia what his relationship
would be to Lino Lakes.
Mr. Peechia said he would bring a positive relationship that he has
already begun to cultivate with Milo Bennett and some of the
developers.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Peechia, since he had contact with
the staff already, what would he do differently.
Mr. Peechia said he has a limited knowledge of the staff. ,He knows
the officers have a good reputation and their hearts are in the
right place. They do need a leader, and additional training.
Council Member Neal said as Mr. Peechia was familiar with the LLPD,
would he have his administrative assistant be a sworn officer or
would he consider that position to be a secretary.
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Mr. Peechia said he had worked with both of these situations and
could see both of them working. He does see the need for more
officers on the street taking care of the peoples needs.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Peechia how he intended to develop a
relationship with the Administrator and the City Council.
Mr. Peechia said that would come through communication. You relate
where you want the LLPD to go, and my job would be to let you know
if we can do that. Policy would be set by the City Council and Mr.
Schumacher and he would try to implement the policy.
Council Member Neal said that apparently Mr. Peechia did believe in
the chain of command - if a problem did come up with men going to
the City Council, what would be done to that officer.
Mr. Peechia said he would set parameters up at the very start and
everybody would work together. He is the one they need to go
through.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Peechia how he intended to gain
knowledge of the community.
Mr. Peechia said he is relatively familiar but, needs to become
involved in the civic community.
Mr. Schumacher said that communication is important. He asked Mr.
Peechia how he would handle that.
Mr. Peechia said through bi-weekly reports sent to the City
Council, they would always be informed. Something "hot" would go
to Mr. Schumacher right away, so there would be no surprised.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Peechia about his philosophy of
traffic citations and speeding tickets is that for health/safety
sake or do you see tickets as a money maker.
Mr. Peechia said concerning problems, accidents, complaints and
assistance on the freeway revenue is generated by meeting citizens
needs. There are other ways of dealing with problems, like
education.
The secretary left to get lunch at 11:45, interim minutes were
taken by Mr. Schumacher.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Peechia if he had hobbies, what
else did he like to do.
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Mr. Peechia said he has a 12 and 13 year old and has coached soccer
and softball to stay close to the children. He like to fish - his
parents live in Moose Lake and winter in Arizona so he like to go
both places. His wife is a travel agent and likes to travel with
her sometimes. His family spends a lot of time in the
neighborhood. He likes to putter with little projects and try
different things.
Council Member Kuether asked what procedures Mr. Peechia would
follow if an officer complained to a Council member.
Mr. Peechia said another officer would investigate the incident,
contact the citizen and give the results to him. He then would
give recommendations to Mr. Schumacher, City Council and the
community.
Council Member Kuether asked "what if" a prominent citizen was
stopped for driving under the influence.
Mr. Peechia said the citizen has made a mistake, he would be fair
and consistent and follow through with the law. A good way to give
the officer a way out is for the officer to call the supervisor and
then proceed following the law. Everyone would be treated equally.
Council Member Kuether asked "what if" there was a domestic in the
home of a Council Member.
Mr. Peechia said this is a tough situation, there is a minimum of
two officers at a domestic and the state law does exist.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Peechia his current pay.
Mr. Peechia said $53,900 last year with overtime.
Larry Thompson asked Mr. Peechia if there was a brief summary he
would like to leave with the City Council.
Mr. Peechia said this job would be a challenge to grow with the
community. His experience is varied and wide and would spend the
time working with the community. He would learn to face challenges
and the officers would provide a great foundation.
Larry Thompson said he would be in contact with Mr. Peechia on
Tuesday, after the City Council had made a decision at the meeting
on Monday night.
Mr. Peechia thanked the Council for this opportunity.
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Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Hutson why he would be willing to
leave his present position.
Mr. Hutson said this is in the three - five year plan he has for
his life and for family reasons would like to be back in the Metro
area.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Hutson to briefly review his law
enforcement career.
Mr. Hutson is currently the chief of police in Redwood Falls and
briefly spoke of his law enforcement career.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Hutson what career goals and
commitment he could make to the City of Lino Lakes.
Mr. Hutson said 1) the commitment would be to himself, that is what
I do to bring honor to the career that I have selected 2) it is a
goal to have the LLPD well respected in the community 3) I have a
commitment to Redwood Falls until I can get back to the Metro area
and 4) I am looking for an active job.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Hutson if he would move to Lino
Lakes.
Mr. Hutson said yes he would live in the community. He is
obligated to give a month notice in Redwood Falls to give them the
time to find a replacement.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Hutson about the area surrounding
Redwood Falls.
Mr. Hutson said the population of Redwood Falls is 5,000, it has 14
square miles and nine officers. The area surrounding contains an
Indian reservation, the Jackpot Junction casino, several large
motels and a home manufacturing company. That makes for many
problems with juveniles, casino related calls, domestics, assault,
and parties in the motels. The community is constantly trying to
control the liquor sales. All of this gives a need for a larger
force than other cities of 5,000 people.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Hutson his approach to problem
solving.
Mr. Hutson said he would first determine if there is a problem -
this may be an opportunity to change something. He would stay
informed to keep a small problem from becoming larger these
things never go away. Decision making requires getting all of the
information you can.
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Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Hutson how he would proceed if an
officer was accused of serious misconduct.
Mr. Hutson said he would consider the officer's bill of rights, he
would notify the officer that an investigation is being conducted.
He would look at the problem and determine if it is a pattern or
behavior and if he would need to deal with discipline that is
progressive from the first report to termination, if it comes to
that. He is willing to confront problems, but will be very sure to
get the facts.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Hutson what would be one of the
first things he would do in building trust with the officers.
Mr. Hutson said building trust usually takes a year. He would come
in the first three months and observe, he would take each officer
and deal with them in the manner of the police code of ethics. He
would be honest with them - make no promises, use no lies. He
would do what is best for the community and is certain the officers
would do quality work. He would not shock them with major change
but would talk with them. He would ride a shift with them.
Leadership is to know your people and their capabilities. He would
give them some ownership in what they do - he would identify the
officers and their skills, then they would produce.
He gave examples of the officers in Redwood Falls that he has given
leadership tasks to, relating to their interests and skills.
Council Member Bergeson told Mr. Hutson that the City of Lino Lakes
has high taxes and the budget is tight, and asked how he would deal
with limited resources.
Mr. Hutson said he would set a foundation of basic service. 75% of
the budget goes for salaries and the rest must be used creatively.
Foundation grants and money from companies could be sought that
could change budget lines. He would set priorities and follow
through with the budget. There is the possibility to use creative
answers like flex hours to solve budget concerns.
Council Member Bergeson assumed that Mr. Hutson had done his
homework on the LLPD and asked why he felt he would be a good fit
for Lino Lakes.
Mr. Hutson said he knew his limitations and qualifications. The
fit and growth is good, he understands the problems of a growing
community. He has no problem with discipline and enjoys being with
good police officers and feels his belief in the code of ethics
would rub off on the officers.
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Council Member Neal asked Mr. Hutson if you became the Chief here
in Lino Lakes what would be your reaction.
Mr. Hutson said "wake up and lets get to work".
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Hutson how he would develop a good
relationship with the police department.
Mr. Hutson said change does not need to be painful, he is
enthusiastic about the job and they are all in this together.
Council Member Neal asked how Mr. Hutson would develop an effective
working relationship with the Administrator and the City Council.
Mr. Hutson said through communication, we are a team. He would
speak with Mr. Schumacher daily to keep him informed so there would
be no surprises. He is an employee of the people and knows his
place. He would be a good resource for the Administrator and the
Council in the area of law enforcement.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Hutson how he intended to develop a
knowledge of the community.
Mr. Hutson said he would talk to the people, he enjoys that and
then they would get to know him too. After that he would get
serious about what he could/could not do.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Hutson if he intended to be a working
Chief.
Mr. Hutson said he would be participative, he would have to spend
time in his office but would want to get out.
Council Member Neal asked what hours Mr. Hutson would be available.
Mr. Hutson said he would be in the office from 8AM to 4PM, on duty
24 hours/day. He had no problems with meetings or his
responsibility. He would like to be there and have a say in what
happens.
Council Member Bergeson, asked outside of police work what interest
did Mr. Hutson have.
Mr. Hutson said he fields calls from his daughter, spends time in
his home, he likes to play tennis, ride a bike, play hockey and
keep active in the community.
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Mayor Reinert explained to Mr. Hutson that we have a City within a
City. At one time Lino Lakes had the contract for police
protection, due to some reason the contract has gone to an
adjoining City that must drive through our City to provide police
protection. How would your relate to these departments.
Mr. Hutson said a contract is a contract. He would prefer to have
the contract and the city that does is out of their jurisdiction
between points A and B. He believes in backing up, he knows how to
deal with other chiefs and knows other chiefs. It is a matter of
pride - he would like to put Lino Lakes cars in Centerville.
Mayor Reinert told Mr. Hutson that someone in the LLPD would like
to be chief and would like to see you fail. How are you going to
cope with this situation.
Mr. Hutson said he would talk to everyone the first day. He wants
to succeed and would like to see everyone else do so also. If that
does not work the person who would like to see him fail is the
reason rules were made, and would give them an attitude test - if
the person sympathizes, he will too and go easy on them, but if
they want to get tough he could get tough too.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Hutson when he drives into Lino Lakes, what
is your idea of Lino.
Mr. Hutson said it is a cross-section, and opportunity, and he can
see the growth.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson what he perceived as the major
problems that the LLPD is looking at in the community as a whole.
Mr. Hutson said the amount of area in Lino Lakes and the number of
officers might be getting "strung out". There is a concentration
of patrols in populated areas. It is important to remember the
officers self worth and image. He would like to see more industry
in town.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson to expand on the self worth/image
problem.
Mr. Hutson said he is big on training and can see what the officers
are and would try some things to recognize their positive points.
Then there will be growth with that process of trust building.
Mr. Schumacher said to focus on the personal issue, what did Mr.
Hutson consider his plus or minus traits.
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Mr. Hutson said 1) he responds emotionally whenever his honor is
challenged and then he has to work on the process of thinking
intellectually and 2) he gets involved and busy and needs to
concentrate on paperwork.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson about his present support staff.
Mr. Hutson said he now has 1.5, a full time and one part time
support staff people. The legislature has worked out a 2.5 % raise
and they are looking at hiring more. There are 11 officers with
two more that are part-time.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson what follow-up training would be
allowed to the officers.
Mr. Hutson said always keep in mind that he needs to prepare the
person for the next level of responsibility. Then the next
opportunity will take them as far as they are capable.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson where he foresees himself in five
years.
Mr. Hutson replied he saw himself with the best fleet, the best
reputation, with 20 people working under him - right here in Lino
Lakes.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson about his experience in management
issues.
Mr. Hutson said he was not very experienced in those matters. He
has worked with contracts and with those you are able to negotiate
in good faith remembering his responsibility is to the City
Council, the community and the officers working for him. If you
have a contract you have to play by the rules.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson the procedure that he would apply
to planning a budget.
Mr. Hutson said he would deal with line items. He would look at
last years line item and try not to work with percents. He would
note where the budget is short and apply for extra funds. There
should be a contingency fund for things you do not foresee. What
if there is a Corrine Erstad or Jacob Wetterling situation here.
One of his officers was hurt and needed a full replacement uniform
those things are expensive. When you have a budget you.,need to
stick by it.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Hutson what level of reporting did he feel
was sufficient.
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Mr. Hutson said he would do a monthly report for the City Council
and would take and answer calls.
Council Member Kuether remarked that Mr. Hutson had gone to Redwood
Falls when the City was without a chief - that is the situation
here in Lino and how did he proceed.
Mr. Hutson said that he deals with the law and not with politics.
He would like as much information as he could acquire, he was not
to sure of the problems that were there. The stress was difficult
for both him and his family.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Hutson about using auxiliary police.
Mr. Hutson indicated that those people must have good training and
be given specific responsibility. They must use the personnel
process very carefully. Liability is very high.
Mayor Reinert asked how Mr. Hutson would motivate when the need
arose.
Mr. Hutson said he used long term participation and the ownership
theory and that equalled motivation. He would try to do everything
positive and discipline only as a last resort. He would be with
the officers and keep encouraging them knowing they were quality
people.
Mayor Reinert asked about the procedure that would be used to
evaluate job performance.
Mr. Hutson said he would watch the officers, document the positive
and get information to let the officers know what the process was.
This should be done in the first year.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Hutson if he would relocate his
family.
Mr. Hutson said he would be offered lodging with his mother, while
his wife remained behind to sell the house. He has looked at all
three school districts and would choose one and hope to have his
son enrolled before the hockey season.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Hutson his current pay.
Mr. Hutson said it was $42,000/year.
Council Member Kuether asked what procedures Mr. Hutson would
follow if there was a complaint.
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Mr. Hutson said he would document the complaint, listen to all
sides and try to educate the public.
Council Member Kuether asked "what if" you have a disagreement with
the City Administration.
Mr. Hutson said he would talk about it and come to a suitable
solution.
Larry Thompson asked Mr. Hutson is there was anything he would like
to add.
Mr. Hutson
officers.
would want
is glad to
Mr. Hutson
himself to
said the training budget seem light - $5,00 for nine
He would ask for reconsideration in the 1994 budget. He
your viewpoint in interaction with other officers. He
be here. The timing seems right for this opportunity.
thanked the Council for this time when he could present
them.
Larry Thompson said he would be in contact with Mr. Hutson on
Tuesday, after the City Council had made a decision at the meeting
on Monday night.
Mr. Hutson thanked the Council for this opportunity.
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Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson why he left the Mall of
America.
Mr. Davidson said the Mall trimmed back in staff and very few of
the originals are left.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson to briefly review his law
enforcement career.
Mr. Davidson was most recently was the director of security for the
Mall of America.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson what commitment he would
bring to the City of Lino Lakes.
Mr. Davidson said he was not looking for a retirement job, he
enjoys being involved. He would move to the community and
establish residence after a successful probation period to lead the
police force.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson why he was interested in
Lino Lakes.
Mr. Davidson said this location is the best of both worlds, both
the urban and suburban. He is looking forward to relocate to
experience the growth, but yet be close to the City.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson when he could start the
job.
Mr. Davidson indicated that would be immediately.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson if his wife was employed.
Mr. Davidson said yes, she was employed at Western Engineering
which is located on Second Street Northeast in Minneapolis.
Council Member Elliott asked Mr. Davidson to describe the
circumstances involved in his leaving the City of Litchfield.
Mr. Davidson said he had a good rapport with the Mayor, Ron
Johnson. He received tremendous support and accomplished good
things for the police department. Then there was a new mayor and
things changed, and now his job did not seem as productive. With
hindsight it seems the former mayor and himself were more:visible
members of the community. The feeling seemed to be the new mayor
wanted to divorce himself from any previous administration. Mr.
Davidson decided for the community and his family it was best to
leave. This was a learning experience, learning when to leave and
not overstay your welcome.
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Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Davidson how he would tackle
problems.
Mr. Davidson said he would have an open door policy with the
officers and citizens. He gave an example where a citizen came to
him with a problem, he asked his officers to canvas the community
and noticed more of the same problem. Letters were written and
later rewritten as the offenders saw themselves and eliminated the
problem. Because of voluntary compliance when people became aware
of the problem the problem took care of itself. If a problem
presents itself he would investigate and then look for ways to
solve the problem.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Davidson would do as chief with
an officer accused of serious misconduct.
Mr. Davidson said the complaint may be criminal. He would
investigate promptly and ask for assistance from Anoka County or
the Minnesota Bureau of Compliance. He would put the officer on
administrative leave while all of the details were sorted out and
work to assure the public and Lino Lakes they have the best force
representing them. If the complaint is an infraction of the rules
after an investigation there would be disciplinary action, if
necessary. He wanted it noted that he would stand behind an
officer if falsely accused.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Davidson if he were selected as
chief how would he deal with the period of adjustment and mistrust
- how would he build a level of trust.
Mr. Davidson said he would meet with the department members, he
would expect them to be to work on time, be in the proper uniform
and to do their share of the work. He would not lie to them, and
would meet with each member to find out about them in regard to
their individual goals.
Council Member Bergeson told Mr. Davidson he thought he knew
something about the City of Lino Lakes and why did he think he
would be a good fit.
Mr. Davidson said the community is growing. He has a good history
of working with a smaller law enforcement group. He brings wide
expertise and enthusiasm, he likes a challenge to provide services
and has a proven background of accomplishments.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Davidson if you became the Chief here
in Lino Lakes how would he approach this position, what would his
plans be.
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Mr. Davidson said he would not lose sight of the positive and deal
with the negative, he could communicate and meet with the community
officials and get the impression of what needs to be done. He
would discuss with civic leaders how to serve the community. He
would make contact with neighbors and get a broad idea of the
services they expected, he would try to lead by example. He is
prepared to delegate responsibilities and to offer guidance. He
would assume an open door policy and encourage, not as a buddy but
as a supervisor.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Davidson if he would be a working
chief or the administrative type.
Mr. Davidson said it is important for the community to know who I
am. I would attempt to get out at least once a day. I would be in
the office as appropriate to meet with the officers.
Council Member Neal asked Mr. Davidson to explain his idea of the
chain of command. The City Administer is your boss, then the City
Council - but what if a policeman goes to either with problems.
Mr. Davidson said what concern? I have an open door policy and
expect the officers to follow through. If they come with a problem
about me, that may be appropriate but not when it comes to
something as simple as scheduling.
Mayor Reinert explained the City within a City concept here in Lino
where our City provided the service and lost the contract. The
City with the contract is going through our City - how would you
relate to the other chief.
Mr. Davidson said he introduce himself and expect a positive
relationship. They would ask for assistance as he would ask them.
If there is unprofessional conduct he would tell them in order to
have it corrected. He would build on a relationship to make it
positive, but not take a back seat.
Mayor Reinert told Mr. Davidson that Lino Lakes has an officer that
would like to be chief and would like to see that he did not
succeed and asked Mr. Davidson how he would proceed.
Mr. Davidson said that in Litchfield there had been an acting chief
and he never became a member of his team. He dealt with him and
was very professional and patient. Somebody always thinks they can
do a better job than the chief. He would let them know that he is
the chief but they are valued and would not diminish them as he
would not let them do that to him.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Davidson if he had driven around Lino Lakes
at all.
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Mr. Davidson said that he had driven through Lino and had noticed
all of the new homes scattered through the community.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Davidson his perception of the City.
Mr. Davidson saw a lot of opportunity, with lots of parks and lakes
and may make us responsible to Anoka County. There is a challenge
to respond well to the new areas and make new contacts with the
residents.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Davidson his salary at the Mall of
America.
Mr. Davidson said his salary was $45,000 annually at the Mall and
$42,000 annual at Litchfield.
Council Member Bergeson asked Mr. Davidson to tell us about
himself.
Mr. Davidson told us about his family and the things he enjoys
doing. He like to exercise, read and do small home projects.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Davidson how he perceived problems in the
police department.
Mr. Davidson said at this point it would be guess work. He would
look at the department, look at the manual to see if it the manual
is current. The distance between City Hall and the department
could present a communication problem. A steady increase in
services may be a need for additional officers.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Davidson as he advanced did he note any
weakness in his personality.
Mr. Davidson said he had to pay attention on how do define his day.
He had an open door policy and sometimes he would get sidetracked
in an effort to be responsive he looses track of time needed to
accomplish a task. Now he makes a list of things to do and
balances the time with everyone who needs him.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Davidson how he would form lines of
communication between administration and the police department.
Mr. Davidson said he would have daily contact, he would review the
previous daily contact and keep communication open with phone calls
and monthly/year end reports.
Mayor Reinert asked Mr. Davidson how he intended to be a
supervisor.
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Mr. Davidson said his approach is basic, simple and consistent. He
would set a standard of performance and mentor the staff to create
the feeling of ownership and openness.
Mayor Reinert asked how he would motivate the staff.
Mr. Davidson said he believes in a pat on the back, everyone is not
always so wonderful as to get an award. He has awarded plaques for
real good jobs. He would have regular meetings to present awards
and that would send a message to others as to what he values.
Council Member Kuether asked what procedure Mr. Davidson would use
if he got a complaint from a Council Member that a citizen had a
complaint against an officer.
Mr. Davidson said he would investigate the complaint. If the
complaint was not of criminal nature he would not be discourteous
but would talk with the officer as to who, what, when and where.
He would convey his findings back to the officer, citizen and
Council Member.
Council Member Kuether asked Mr. Davidson what he would do if he
would disagree with the City Administrator.
Mr. Davidson said everyone had a boss. Mr. Schumacher was his
boss, and he wanted his boss to succeed, he wanted to succeed. As
he gives orders to his officers and expects them to be carried out,
so he would respond to Mr. Schumacher.
Mr. Schumacher asked Mr. Davidson what role he played in the field
officer training unit.
Mt. Davidson said each officer had to get skills and training
before they are licensed and hired. The unit offered that
training. An officer was assigned to be certain each officer could
successfully complete the program or if some remedial training was
needed. In some instances the officer would have to be dismissed
from the program.
Council Member Kuether asked how he reviewed the budget in
Litchfield.
Mr. Davidson said that he did each budget by line item. He sat
down with staff and made recommendations, he then proceeded to the
City Administrator and would lobby for the money.
Larry Thompson asked Mr. Davidson why he perceived himself as a
good candidate.
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Mr. Davidson said his future performance is proven with his past
performance. His achievements and common sense and ethical
performance would bring quality to Lino Lakes.
These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at a regular Council
meeting held on September 27, 1993.
JoAlo► mr nd,
Recording Secretary Mayor
Vernon F. Reinert,