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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/08/2000 Council MinutesCITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 CITY OF LINO LAKES MINUTES DATE : November 8, 2000 TIME STARTED : 5:30 p.m. TIME ENDED : 11:35 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT : Council Member Carlson, Dahl, O'Donnell, Reinert, and Mayor Bergeson : None MEMBERS ABSENT Staff members present: Administration Director, Dan Tesch; City Engineer, John Powell; Economic Development Director, Brian Wessel(part); 'c Development Assistant, Mary Divine (part); and City Planner, Jeff Smyser CSAH 49 RECONSTRUCTION UPDATE, . OHN Staff distributed a copy of a letter from the City t C my , ngineer. The letter included a list of questions regarding options f ,t. Staff also distributed a copy Y of a letter of response from the County and .' ist o,.•ns. Staff advised the County Engineer will review the options for the pro t this ening. Mayor Bergeson advised Ms. Marg , • , County Commissioner, is present this evening. Mr. Jon Olson, County E c forward and stated the purpose of the meeting is to give a brief history of the . ect and present options that are available to the City. He reviewed the backgrooject and noted the proposed project was discussed with the City Council °$ , 2000. That meeting is what led to the letter from the City and the County's r= • onse. Mr. Olson reviewed option A noting that was the plan that was originally proposed in April 2000. Mr. Olson referred to option B noting it is a modified proposal that was presented to the City Council in August 2000. He advised the problem with option B is it is trying to fit a wide road section into a narrow right-of-way. The option will require an additional 5' wide trail easement in some areas. A median could be put in place but would prohibit left-hand turns in all locations except where absolutely necessary. The County would purchase 100' minimum right-of-way. Mr. Olson summarized the City's letter and the County's response advising that the road section cannot be limited to 52' or 62' feet if it remains a County road. The County will CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 consider the possibility of a number of lanes being phased in over time. Neither the County nor the City has an jurisdiction over reducing the speed limit on the roadway. The project intends to include a signal light for the transition from Anoka County to Ramsey County at County Road J. Ramsey County has requested that the intersection be completed as part of the project. Mr. Olson continued advising that since the Public Information Meeting and the last Council work session, Anoka County has revised its proposed cross-section for this roadway so that the roadway includes two (2) lanes in each direction, a median, a right and left turn lanes were appropriate. The County has removed the eight (8) foot shoulders on each side of the roadway from its proposed design, and has lessened its right-of-way requirements from 60 feet on each side of the centerline to 50 feet on each side of the centerline. These changes have been made in response to public opposition to the project and specifically to the concern about the width and distance to existing structures. The result of this change will be that in addition to the 50 foot of roadw ; asement on one side of the road, an additional trail easement may be necessary ,r ere City has requested that trails be installed. These changes are curren n�• ed the design work being conducted by TKDA. Mr. Olson reviewed option B and a drawing of wh. the urr roposal would look like. He also reviewed option C noting it is a narrowersion of option B. Council Member O'Donnell asked for clarif of road and the right-of-way. Mr. Olson 1 for each option. garding the options relating to width right-of-way and curb to curb width The City Engineer advised opt'. oa : a c� bination of options. There are design issues that have not yet been wor Council Member 0' t e nnell ed that a 62' foot roadway is shown as an option with a median. The City Engineer asked option C requires a 5' trail easement. Mr. Olson indicated option C does require a 5' trail easement in some locations. The City Engineer explained why the 5' easement is needed in some locations. Council Member Dahl asked why a three -(3) lane roadway with a shared middle lane is not an option. Mr. Olson stated that is not a safe design for a roadway unless there is a lower speed limit. Council Member Dahl suggested shared lanes for left turns only. She asked if that is an option if the right turn lanes are only in strategic locations. 2 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Mr. Olson advised a three -(3) lane roadway is not an option on a road that has a speed limit over 40 m.p.h. Council Member Reinert asked who has jurisdiction over the speed limit. Mr. Olson advised the Commissioner of Transportation determines speed limits. He explained the process used to change a speed limit noting most roadways under 55 M.P.H. will go up after a speed study is conducted. Council Member Reinert asked how the City could end up with a speed limit for a new roadway as compared to the roadway that currently exists. The City Engineer advised that if a speed study is conducted, it would include the habits of drivers currently using the road. Council Member Carlson expressed concern regarding receivingrrent information r and options right before this meeting. She noted the Council h requ, ed the information prior to the meeting. She stated each option as o" 105 120' of right-of- way that perhaps is not used. She stated that is too much ghtf f She noted the meeting in March 2000 is the first the Council heard a,. =s pry ect. At that meeting, traffic counts and a map showing the proposed pro ct 06 was distributed. She stated that was not enough information. There h scussion that the project is from Lake Drive to County Road J, however , area ` hows the project to 35W. She expressed concern regarding residents on th north d of the project. Council Member Carlson stated neat ' Shoreview plan nor the Comprehensive Plan for Lino Lakes calls for a divided ��� `� "° e current Comprehensive Plan calls for a four -(4) lane undivided highw` Sh :'view plan calls for a two (2) lane highway. The City of Shoreview has . eed to not extend the project north of Chippewa for seven (7) years. The f.: a 62' wide three (3) lane highway south of Chippewa with the s .ing o, anes to be controlled by the City of Shoreview. The City of Shoreview has : ey County to come back with another plan because they do not want a five (5)1. e hi hway. The City of Shoreview will reject the current plan. She stated the City need o work with the City of Shoreview on this project. She proposed option F, which includes the Council vote on options A-E and the City work with the City of Shoreview and the two (2) counties to find a compromise. Mayor Bergeson inquired about the distinction between this project and the project five (5) years out. Mr. Olson stated the City has put pressure on the County to include the northern stretch of roadway in the County's plans. The schedule for funding on that portion is 2003-2006. He stated he is willing to meet with the City of Shoreview and Ramsey County to discuss options. He advised, however, that he will be designing the highway, not a committee. The City Engineer referred to a memo from the City of Shoreview to the Metropolitan Council. The City of Shoreview has requested a regional perspective of the plan. The CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Metropolitan Council has indicated Highway 49 is a regional roadway and should be constructed as such. Council Member Dahl stated that each of the options has a median from 4' to 15' wide. She asked if the County is open to eliminating the median. Mr. Olson stated that the direction he has been given includes a median. A median will also be constructed on the bridge. Council Member Dahl inquired about the length of the roadway. Mr. Olson indicated the roadway is approximately two (2) miles long. Council Member Carlson stated that until recently, the goal of the Council and community is to reach a compromise that will keep in mind the rights of the residents and provide a thoroughfare for the community. She read a quote from oreview Council Member regarding the forcing of traffic. She stated she wants Coue it to vote on this at the next Council meeting. A discussion should be at the t unc x work session prior to that meeting. Council Member Reinert stated there are three (3) concerns of residents. The options will be voted a bridge that is in need of repair. He inquire Mr. Olson stated the City would have t improvement would include a four review and the Council approved not address the owever, the City will still have optio for the bridge. an to improve the bridge. The ed highway. A study was submitted for Mayor Bergeson inquired a A h idth of the existing right-of-way and the process used to acquire right -of- 01n advised the current right-of-way varies from 66' to 83' feet. The right- f -way ready been dedicated on the west side from Aggrate Lane to north of Blue explained the process used to acquire right-of-way and the factors that determi ~ thvalue of property. If an agreement is not reached, the eminent domain processill be used. He noted that 85% of property is acquired through negotiation. Council Member O'Donnell asked if the alignment for the road is the same for each option. Mr. Olson advised the alignment of the road is the same as the right-of-way except for 1 mile where there is vacant land. Council Member O'Donnell requested a document that shows each option and the impact to each business and home. Mr. Olson advised he does not have that information and the County does not plan to provide that. Council Member O'Donnell stated the project has a significant impact to some residents. The City needs to understand that impact. Homes and business may be lost. CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Mr. Olson advised the County would acquire a minimum of 100' of right-of-way. This has been part of the County's plan for decades. The City has agreed to that. The maximum impact to homes or businesses is 12' of right-of-way. Mayor Bergeson inquired about the x's on the map. Mr. Olson advised the setback line is 40' feet. The x's indicate where the 100' right-of-way is out of that 40' setback. There are currently about six (6) cases that the setback won't be met. Council Member Carlson inquired about the width of the roadway now, especially by the townhomes. Mr. Olson indicated he does not have that number. Council Member Carlson asked if 20' feet of additional right-of-way will be requested as the project goes down Lake Drive. The City Engineer advised that as development occurs, the other side of the roadway will require 20' of right-of-way. Council Member Carlson stated this is another example of thin without realizing the significance. The City is giving the C paying for it. The City Engineer stated the City is giving the Cou on the project. A typical County plan includes 6 line. Mr. Olson advised that as part of the C right-of-way. In 1994, a letter was right-of-way for County road dev must allow for a 30 day review it lowers the cost of project Ms. Margaret Langfi - d, there are two (2) other information prior to the to design safe roads. It i before Council nts without them eas nt but is saving money ight-of-way from the center Plan, there is a requirement for e County asking cities to consider ere is a new law in effect where the cities ounty. Right-of-way is sought after because o a way for development to help defray costs. Cou ommissioner, came forward and reminded the Council he apologized that the Council did not receive this ee ng. She stated it is the primary job of the County Engineer so the job of elected officials. This issue is not about how the road looks or how close it is too homes. The project only affects six (6) properties. She stated the County does not want to take property. However, the County can not fix the state issue of road problems. The Metropolitan Council feels the project is appropriate. A solution is needed to move traffic. She stated that possibly the traffic volume amount is negotiable. She stated it would be helpful to have a meeting with both cities and Counties. The City has hard choices to make. The State has told the County to do this project. The County won't be back for this project for 4-5 years and that may be too late The City and County need to think about the future. Council Member O'Donnell asked if the Council has received information before about the six (6) properties that are affected. Mr. Olson advised six (6) properties will be non- conforming because of the setbacks. 5 • CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8 200 Council Member O'Donnell advised he needs that level of detail to better understand the impact and to take a vote. Mr. Olson stated the City Engineer has the information to determine which properties are non -conforming. Council Member O'Donnell stated he needs to know how many homes and businesses will be lost and which ones. Ms. Langfield stated the City does not have to conform. There are creative things that can be done. Some homes and businesses will have to be moved. Council Member O'Donnell advised he can not make a decision without that information. Mayor Bergeson directed the City Engineer to work with the County to get a summary of that information. The City Engineer advised that information can be obtained. However, assumptions about the roadway will have to be made. Mr. Olson stated information about the appraisal will not be property owner will lost approximately 17 feet. e average Council Member Reinert stated the big concern is t a . th o e roadway and right-of- way. He asked why the County can't build a roathan 100' feet of right-of- way. Mr. Olson advised the County is buying ht -o ay so it won't be an issue in the future if it is needed. Additional right -o sway i ' eeded for utilities and a path. Most of the right-of-way will be green space t �� ada constructed under the minimum design, it is probable that the road w to . e widened in the future. A standard arterial roadway in Anoka Count of right-of-way. Council Member Reinert st way. He stated he would reasonable but flexib'_'t is ounty is pushing the limits with 100' of right -of - other option. Option C seems to be the most Mr. Olson stated he has is . rection regarding the design of the road from the County. Council Member Reinert stated his goal is to have the road constructed in as small a space as possible. Mr. Olson explained the reason for different widths of a roadway. Council Member Reinert asked if there are any variations possible regarding the width of the berms and median in option C. Mr. Olson stated he believes the City will be very unhappy with option C. Option C is available except for the intersections at Ash and Birch. Council Member Carlson asked if option C will be wider and Birch and Ash. Mr. Olson advised option B would be used at the intersections of Birch and Ash. CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Council Member Carlson stated she would like to see a drawing where the roadway is in relation to the houses. She stated there are six (6) properties at the intersections that will be impacted. She stated she needs more detail. Mr. Olson stated he has provided the drawings to the City Engineer. Buildings and setbacks are indicated on the drawings. There are two (2) businesses at the intersection that are non -conforming. The property owners will be compensated for market value, business value, and relocation costs. Mayor Bergeson directed the City Engineer to make copies of the drawings available to Council Members and residents. Ms. Gail Weiner, 6356 Hodgson Road, came forward and stated she is representing her neighborhood. She stated the project will directly affect her and her neighbors. She stated the neighbors have had discussions regarding the project an. a ,ve indicated it is all or nothing. Phasing the project is a problem relating to selling pro E y. The property is lower in value and can't be sold. She stated the roadway a 1 �` 19' ` et from her front door. The roadway will be 18-20 feet from all the neigh.; s'<,•nt rs. She indicated there is no compromise for this neighborhood. She std` ; ` o would have to be moved back or bought out completely. She stated e buy out by approximately 10' feet. If the County takes 100- roperty will lose value. At this point, no one can sell their homes because no 11 pa arket value. She stated the County is in the position to mess with every e's li`; s on this side of the street. She stated she would rather take the money The City Engineer advised the ed '� e would be 40' feet from the road. There would be 50-60' feet to the eday. Mr. Ken Reichert, 6669 ' '' lac , came forward and stated his property backs up to Hodgson Road. He s ted he `' • ciates where the County Engineer and the County Commissioner are co °,. Their objective is to move traffic. He asked if the ���� residents of Lino Lakes a+ e r sponsible to make traffic run smoother for other communities. The main • jective of this road is to make traffic connection. He stated that eventually this community won't care and there will be nothing for residents to protect. This project will affect everyone in the City of Lino Lakes. He asked who was going to build the road before turn back money became available. He referred to an earlier plan that did not include a divided highway. Mr. Olson advised the County had the choice of taking the road back from MnDOT. The County chose to take the road back to be eligible for the funds. The City Engineer advised the City was never going to be reconstructing this roadway. Mr. Olson stated MnDOT may have had a conceptual plan that did not show a divided highway. CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 The City Engineer stated that project was for the original bridge project to Birch Street. Mr. Reichert stated that the point he is making is that the County gets money and they have to spend it. This is a very emotional issue. The residents here are not concerned about Blaine residents going to Blaine. The project will end up with additional traffic. Six (6) homes are affected. He stated he wants to make sure the Council is representing the City and not the County. He stated he agrees with safety issues, however, does not see how it will be safer with the additional traffic. He stated the speed limit is being stuffed down the resident's throats. He added that complaints can reduce the speed limit on that road. Mayor Bergeson advised the County Engineer has indicated what typically happens when a traffic study is done. Mr. Reichert stated he does not believe the speed limit would up. `=; width of the road is a big concern. Another concern is the divided highw a dian. Turns will be unsafe. If the road goes to 55 m.p.h. people will drive there will be even more accidents. People will be losing property. How ck out of their driveways across five (5) lanes of traffic? He statethe s to represent all the citizens of Lino Lakes. Living on the roadway is nly issue. He stated his family has enjoyed living here but will move if this w _oes ough. He stated he feels very strongly about this issue because it will ruin eco unity of Lino Lakes. Ms. Theresa Weinkauf, TRW Tax S X739 ake Drive, stated she has had her business here for 12 years and liv ffi 3 ' o es for 25 years. She stated people losing their homes is a lot more impor . h' osing her business. Mr. Richard Anderson, 6 + e H on Drive, came forward and asked if his home meets the current set . ick. The City Engineer indite 'ed "s home does not meet the setback. He advised he will investigate why it does n meet the current setback. Mr. Anderson asked if someone from the County will come out and discuss the value of his property that is lost. He stated the impact will be dramatic. A roadway that goes from one lane to two (2) lane will also impact this neighborhood tremendously. The accesses have to be controlled or there will be more accidents. He stated he does not want to live on his property if the project goes through. He begged the Council to choose option E. He stated the City should slow down traffic. He indicated he does not care if the bridge falls down. If the project goes through he stated he wants his house torn down. He stated he researched the area and was told the road would not change. He stated he will not be able to get his car out of the driveway with the new road. He stated he cannot sell his house now because of the project. He stated the County will have to buy him out if the road goes in. CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Mr. Olson stated there will be no additional right-of-way purchased in this case and between Aggrate and Blue Heron. Mr. Anderson stated the proposed road would decrease the value of his property. However, the County does not see it that way since no additional right-of-way is needed. Mr. Olson stated property value going down because of a new road is subjective. He stated he would be surprised if an appraisal would show decreased value. Mr. Anderson stated that is not correct. A new roadway would be like building 35E in your backyard. He stated he will not be compensated and this will happen to other families as well. The City Engineer advised the County is pursuing a 100' right-of-way, not 120'. Mr. Olson advised that when the property was platted, Hodgso 'ncipal arterial. It was platted with 50' of right-of-way. He stated he can't irgi;that appraiser would say the situation would change. Mayor Bergeson advised Mr. Anderson and other rsid is th ey are free to obtain an appraisal. Mr. Anderson asked how his house got buil st place when the County knew about the road in 1974. Fifteen years 1 as built and the City allowed it. He suggested he may have legal recours he y and County. Mayor Bergeson directed the ine'= o investigate this situation and contact Mr. Anderson. Ms. Dana Skibsted, 671 Ho :,• ', stated there are a lot of safety issues and she has children. She stated s heard about center medians. She questioned why the medians can't be pamte � S e asked how emergency vehicle will get to her home. She indicated U-turns are no afe. She asked why the County won't put in a painted median and lower the speed limit. She stated there is a trailer park there with a lot of people and a bus company that needs to get buses in and out. Mayor Bergeson advised the City will get input from the Police Department and Fire Department regarding emergency vehicle access. Mr. Olson stated conflict points are not eliminated with painted medians. The traffic knows where it should be with medians. The median is an important part of the project. Ms. Skibsted stated she has lived here for 16 years and the road does need work. She stated accidents have decreased with the additional stop signs. She stated a 15' foot median is ridiculous. She stated she commutes and drives slowly and has yet to see an 9 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 accident in front of her house. She stated she wants to live and work in this community. A freeway will destroy the community. Mr. Greg Gongeo, 6011 Hodgson, Farmers Insurance, asked if his business is non- conforming. He stated it is absurd to let violators determine the speed limit. He stated the City should be above the state method. Mr. Olson stated there are two (2) businesses at the intersection that are non -conforming. Mr. Gongeo wondered how much of a driveway his business will have. He also inquired about access and parking for his business. Mr. Olson referred to a map indicating the non -conforming properties. He stated he can't comment at this point on the impact of parking. Mr. Gongeo stated that without parking and a driveway, he doe f of h`: a business. He asked if the County would buy him out. Mr. Olson advised he has indicated the buy out proce e. value, impact and improvements to the value. aiser will look at land Mr. Gongeo stated he disagrees that there are o ( usinesses that will be impacted. A business cannot continue with g. Council Member Reinert inquired a., proposed entrance into the parking lot from the roadway. Mr. Olson indicated th en ce to the parking lot. Mr. John Hudgens, 661 Pel :g ' stated he has many concerns for the community of Lino Lakes. He stated a his e is only meant for a reliever of freeway traffic. The freeway traffic is . regio,. � oblem that is being forced on the City of Shoreview and Lino Lakes. The , an be made wider but the County won't do it. He stated this issue is indirectly a'ut afety. The roadway is not necessary unsafe now. Stop lights and a bike lane are eeded. A new road will not make it safer. He stated he wants the Council to reject the options then work on the speed limit issue. He said the speed limit should be lowered. The City of Shoreview is concerned about what Lino Lakes will do. He stated he has a problem with any Council Members saying the issue is only 2.2 miles. Everyone knows that what is done here will be done in other sections. The City does not want to look at that because then there will be even more problems. He stated he would applaud the Council coming to a vote on this issue. He stated he does not know what else the Council needs to look at. A vote for the project would be irrespective to residents and the City of Shoreview. He indicated he would rather do nothing to the road. The City can go from there after the options are voted down. Ms. Lynn Heaser, 218 Aggrate Lane, came forward and clarified that her property is currently in violation of the setback. She stated that for the first time tonight, she heard 10 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 compassion from the City Council. It looks like the City will work toward what is best for the City and its residents. She stated Ms. Langfield previously spoke about this issue with compassion and understanding. However, after tonight it is clear where she stands on this issue. She requested a copy of the road map noting the median is 15' sloping to 4' and will not change. She stated the residents want to remind the Council there are 30 homes that will be affected. She asked that the Council take a vote on November 27, 2000. Mayor Bergeson advised Council Member Carlson has suggested a vote be taken on November 27, 2000. A vote on the issue will be discussed at the work session prior to the Council meeting. Council Member Carlson stated she would like to poll the Council regarding action on November 27, 2000. Ms. Heaser stated the Council is aware of the impact. The Cit The City can mandate the County to do the bridge and light had indicated. She indicated she will put up the first $10 lights. The Parks Department should then finish the tr 11 the County no. revious plans of afford the Mr. Dan Javis, 6179 Hodgson, came forward and . i. just moved here. He stated the project is totally ridiculous. The plan wilthe rod worse and even more unsafe. He expressed concern regarding res encs T ng to pull out of their driveways. He stated there are a lot of kids in the . . ':. fo : (4) lane highway that close is very dangerous. He stated he does not be a Council Engineer is giving the resident's enough credit relating to winter d • =. ted the options should be voted on and rejected. He stated the City do s . ee Fore traffic on Hodgson. He stated the County should take the mo ake 35 a six (6) lane highway. Mr. Arnie Entzil, 663 present listening and c residents know that im highway coming to an a Pelic '1. ce, noted that State Representative Mr. Vandaveer is help. He stated he would like to make it clear that ve ents are needed. He stated a two (2) mile stretch of pt halt seems ridiculous. Channeling four (4) lanes into two (2) lanes will back traffic up to Lake Drive. The road does need lights, a wider bridge and turn out lanes. Those items will eliminate a lot of problems. The County Engineer saying that widening the road at Blue Heron will not impact his property is ridiculous. The County knows there will be an impact. He asked that the Council consider all comments and taxpayers when voting on this project. Ms. Judy Bartels, 247 Baldwin Circle, stated she does not see any proposals on how traffic will get out of the trailer park. She asked how residents are supposed to get to work. She stated she was just in Boston and they have no left turn lanes with four (4) lane highways. She stated there are no options for other streets either. She stated the residents are taxpayers and a petition was brought forward. She inquired about what happened with the petition keeping in mind that this is a Charter City. She stated the CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 petition should mean something. She stated the residents do not want this road. The County should fix the bridge and put in lights. Mr. Dan Lahlum, 6828 Sunrise Drive, came forward and stated the project does not affect him now but it will. He asked if anyone knows how much stretch of the road that Ramsey County has. He stated Ramsey County probably has five (5) times more than Anoka County. Ramsey County should be dealing with this problem before Anoka County. He inquired about the way Ramsey County is avoiding this. He asked how he would cross Lake Drive to Highway 49. He stated this will be a huge problem for snowmobiles. The road will bring in more pollution and noise. He stated he will want to have his house filtered and sound proofed because it will affect him and his family. He stated he already has enough pollution on his property from Lake Drive. He stated he can not afford to move. He stated he does not want the roadway to be a detour to 694. He stated the County Engineer is being very heavy handed by saying the project will be all or nothing. Ms. Madonna Hughes, resident of Lino Lakes, came forwar have bought a townhouse in the area if she had known ab residents voted the Council in because residents believ d stated she can hear the freeway now when her windows doesn't understand how the project has gotten thi Mr. Jim Anderson, resident of Shoreview, 5 that he sees the Council as being very u sees a lot of room for compromise a both Counties. He stated emotio project calls for about 500-180 cause a "dumbbell" affect. together to work on this i to go down to 694 wi he never would he stated the be trusted. She She indicated she gal Drive, came forward and stated and compassionate. He stated he wo (2) cities can work together with ution; common sense is. He stated the sition between the two (2) cities. This would everyone involved should get an association the current proposal. He noted the County wants Mayor Bergeson thank all esidents for attending the meeting and making comments. He noted there will be s - '- ral more meetings. Mr. Robert Bening, 6788 Shadow Lake Drive, came forward and stated he moved into a residential area of the City. He stated he know Hodgson was a highway and he is in support of the project. He advised that all neighbors should be considered. Council Member Carlson stated she is concerned about her neighbors. She stated she has been to a lot of meetings and has heard a lot of talk relating to this project. She stated the City needs to give the County a strong direction. She stated she would like to keep the options open to work together. She stated action needs to be taken on the current proposal from the County. She indicated she would like to poll the Council Members regarding a vote on the options. She stated residents need to have a decision made. 12 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Council Member Reinert stated he would like to see other options from the County. He stated if the current options are the only options, he is ready to take a vote. He stated he would like to have a collected effort from the two (2) Counties and cities to improve the roadway. Council Member Dahl stated she is in support of a vote. She stated she also supports the Council Members in Shoreview. She stated this issue is a symptom of a larger problem. The major highways need to add lanes. The Metropolitan Council and the State need to work together. Everyone needs to think beyond today. She noted County Road J to Blaine is a four (4) lane highway because it had to be done that way. The roadway is now a ghost lane. More traffic at 50 m.p.h. does not equal more safety. The project may aleviate some problems on other roads. She stated that she believes there is a compromise. She stated putting off the vote will not be beneficial. A vote should be taken so the City can move forward. Mayor Bergeson stated it is clear the majority of the Council w He stated he believes it may be premature. He stated he ap Counties and cities working together, however, does not November 27, 2000. with this issue. gestion of the happen before This item will appear on the regular Council age , November 27, 2000, 6:30 p.m. Mayor Bergeson called for a short bre Mayor Bergeson reconvened the TOWN CENTER UPDA ;Y ALICE DIVINE p. The Community Dev development proposal very preliminary. Staf at the next Council wor ector advised Dellwood, LLC, is putting together a bein site in the Town Center. He noted the proposal is s et with the developer and a video presentation will be made ession. He referred to a map indicating the location of the site and reviewed a timeline regarding the project. He noted the critical issue is the road. The City Engineer advised a traffic impact study will be conducted from 77th Street down to Lake Drive. The developer is sharing in the cost of the study. The Economic Development Assistant advised direction is needed from Council. She referred to the Calthorpe Plan noting that the proposed development is a conventional suburban development and has nothing to do with the design standards. The main street character will be lost. The question is if the Council wants to hold to the same direction it has been going for years, or go with the Conventional development with staff using the design standards as a guide. Staff noted the Calthorpe plan will take longer to develop than the conventional type development. 13 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Council Member Carlson inquired about any impact on the grant application. Staff advised they do not believe the conventional development on the north side will have any impact on the grant application, which was for The Village site Mayor Bergeson advised he called the chair of the committee regarding the clarification letter sent to the Metropolitan Council. He advised the committee that the letter is not an indication of the City moving away from the project. Mayor Bergeson continued stating the conventional development may be an opportunity to get a particular retailer into the community. That opportunity does not come around very often. He stated he feels the City should try to work with them. Council Member Dahl asked if the developer will comply to some of the design standards. Staff advised the design standards create something totally different from this proposed concept plan. The design standards do not fit the project.;e core of a Traditional Neighborhood Development will be gone. Council Member O'Donnell inquired about the opportun' to ot x`ay with the design standards in the southern quadrant. The City Engineer advised the City does not hav design standards. Staff needs specific direction that the design standards w . •ply '• the northern quadrant. The Economic Development Assistant 'ng the design standards a zoning ordinance will resolve that issue. Mayor Bergeson stated there ar • #2) t gs that are different in the southern quadrant: if the grant is received and c : t the City owns most of the land. Council Member D Community Develop suggested the City look developer has requested the use of TIF. The or stated the developer has not yet requested TIF. He e possibility of utilizing TIF. Council Member Reinert stated the City should pursue this developer. The standards can be kept in place in the southern quadrant. Council Member Carlson expressed concern regarding residents, truck traffic and accesses. The Community Development Director advised a neighborhood meeting should be held. A buffer would have to be provided. Those issues will have to be addressed. The City Engineer advised staff is exploring the possibility of closing 77th Street and making it a cul-de-sac. That issue will be reviewed after the traffic study is completed. 14 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Council Member Carlson stated the user would be a business that will be an asset to the community. She expressed concern regarding moving away from the standards entirely. She stated the 20/20 Vision indicated the residents don't want a conventional shopping center. She stated she does not want the project to cost citizens money. The developer should be doing something because they will not have to abide by the standards. She also expressed concern regarding the type of businesses that will go in. Council Member O'Donnell indicated he is in favor of moving forward with the project and stick with the architectural standards as much as possible. He asked if the City should be proactive with the property owners to the south and let them know what direction the City is taking. Staff advised they have talked to Ehlers about redevelopment and TIF. Council Member Carlson expressed concern regarding the City bu out properties. Council Member Dahl stated she would like to keep negotia ' n"` - he asked "is it possible to get the same look with the design standards?" h tat= e would like staff to move forward with the project. Mayor Bergeson stated the City would still have rage so it can ask them for part of the design standards that are applicable. F uld like to move forward also. Staff noted the user is looking at an alter to ° . '. Therefore, timing will be an issue. Council directed staff to proceed Ptual development plans keeping the vision of the site in mind. WEST SHADOW PON LOCATION, JEFF SMYSER Staff distributed a me •` ng the Council discussion of the West Shadow ponds project at the Septembe ; w.rk session. The City Council agreed that the extension of West Shadow Lake Driv hould be extended to the 62nd Street right-of-way with a barricade constructed. Removing the barricade to allow the new road connection to 62nd Street will be determined in the future. Several of the Council Members expressed concern over the trail location and preferred that it be moved into the drainage easement. At the time, it seemed feasible. Staff received a letter from the developer stating that further analysis reveals that moving the trail to the easement would require additional wetland fill. This is undesirable from both an environmental and a regulatory perspective. The trail as proposed does provide for connection to a longer trail. It creates a nice loop using Fox Road. The developer proposes screening and landscaping options to provide privacy for existing lots in Birchwood Acres. This was anticipated in the creation of the 15 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 trail corridor. To accommodate screening, the corridor was made 30 feet wide instead of the standard 15'. Staff advised this issue has been discussed with Mr. DeGardner, Director of Public Services. He concluded that the trail should be included and should be in its proposed location. Staff referred to a drawing that shows that moving the trail one lot would require crossing (and filling) additional wetland. Staff also referred to a plan for Birchwood Park that shows the planned trails. Council Member Reinert asked when the park will be developed. Staff advised the actual time table is unknown. It is intended that the trail will be paved right away. Council Member O'Donnell asked if the alternatives outlined have been shown to the homeowners. Mr. Rick Carlson, developer, came forward and stated he has homeowners. At the last meeting it was requested that the t will not work. He stated he will be requesting plat appro also an option to take the trail out. Council Member Dahl inquired about the type of ed to the . That option er. He stated it is Mr. Carlson advised he has offered to pay f•`some .e of fencing. He suggested a better quality screening than Pine trees. ,• e� ed on the wetland issue and the comments from the Rice Creek W at;.,� istrict Council Member Reinert state es s,"se to talk to the residents about what type of buffer they want. Council directed Mr. arlson peak to the residents about the buffer. Mr. Carlson will be present at the next on to discuss the neighbors comments. Council Member Carlson eferred to the first page of the memo. She expressed concern relating to the statement that the Council agreed about the extension and how it relates to the larger issues of the road. She stated she was not present at that meeting. She asked how many votes will be needed to pass the project. Staff advised a 4/5 vote will be needed. The City Engineer advised the roadway would have a turn around constructed with barricades. In the future the barricades will be taken down. Council Member Carlson expressed concern regarding the language used in the memo. She stated the compromise was to bring the residents in to help make a decision. She stated she very clearly wants to support the developer and the residents. The residents 16 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 should have been involved in the decision. She advised she cannot guarantee she will vote in support of the project. Council directed staff to put this issue on a future work session agenda. Residents should be contacted about the meeting date. Council Member Dahl requested Mr. Carlson be very specific with residents about what type of fencing and screening is acceptable. NORTHWEST SADDLE CLUB, DONNA CARLSON Council Member Carlson distributed information regarding the Northwest Saddle Club to Council Members. She stated her main concern relates to the Comprehensive Plan. She stated this plan has very small lots with 2% units per acre. She stated the Council needs to consider what this will mean to the Comprehensive Plan. The City Planner advised the project has not yet been submi through the concept stage. The developer has been told t MUSA. The Planning and Zoning Board has indicate density. Staff noted this is not a cluster developme A t. is going land is not in the comfortable with the The developer for the Northwest Saddle Clu orwand indicated the total acreage noted on the conceptual plan does n inclu= the extra land near Killdeer Drive. Mayor Bergeson stated there are two: ues •ne is that the Comprehensive Plan in its current form does not contement in this area in the near future. There is also a design issue. This dog • eet ? e current or proposed zoning. The City Planner advisede of the sites staff has asked be reviewed before approval of the Com•ehensi Council Member Carlssta ed she is not opposed to this coming through the process. She stated the area will d MUSA. She referred to option A and commented on conservation development. She stated there are issues that have to be addressed as the Council goes through to the next Comprehensive Plan meeting. She stated she would have a hard time approving small lots without seeing what the City is getting in return. The developer stated those issues were apparent at the Planning and Zoning Board meeting this evening. He stated he is still working on the plan. At this point the plan is conceptual. Council Member Carlson stated the City already has an excess of residential acreage in 2010 MUSA line. The City would need a good reason to add more. 17 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 RESOLUTION 00 —105 ELECTING TO CONTINUE PARTICIPATION IN THE LIVABLE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM, JEFF SMYSER Staff advised the City must continue to participate in the Livable Communities Program or the City will not be eligible for the grant. Staff noted the goals have not changed. This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Monday, November 13, 2000, 6:30 p.m. CLEARWATER CREEK BUSINESS CENTER — AMENDING CONDITIONS OF PLAT APPROVAL, JEFF SMYSER Staff advised the preliminary plat for the Clearwater Creek Business Center was approved by the City December 15, 1997. The approval of the Dairy Queen site plan includes the condition that the final plat must be completed. Standard City policy for final plat approval requires that the be met. There were 11 conditions approved with the pre conditions #7 and #10 relating to floodplain issues. f approval must Staff referred to Staff advised these conditions have not been met r, t e floodplain map has been revised for areas around the Dairy Queen site eder Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has requested a new Letter E ' evision (LOMR) application including additional technical informa b her revising the Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM) in this area. Bec Dairy Queen is awaiting final plat approval, staff recommends amending the ct pproval as follows: Delete preliminary plat cones,, d 10 that were approved December 15, 1997 and replace them with the fol ion: Within one ye lat approval, the City of Lino Lakes will prepare and submit a LOM' ppl:tion to redefine the Zone A area located at the southeast corner of Main S - et/21st Avenue. This generally includes the area to be occupied by the proposed Dairy Queen and the existing Amoco. All costs related to this work will be charged against the trunk credits for the Clearwater Creek Business Center. This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Monday, November 13, 2000, 6:30 p.m. FINAL PLAT — CLEARWATER CREEK BUSINESS CENTER, JEFF SMYSER Staff advised the preliminary plat for the Clearwater Creek Business Center was approved by the City in December, 1997. Staff briefly reviewed their analysis of the final plat 18 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 noting the conditions of approval will be satisfied if the change recommended in the previous agenda item is approved. Staff advised Council approve the final plat assuming all items are satisfied by meeting time. This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Monday, November 13, 2000, 6:30 p.m. BEHM'S PARK RESIDENTIAL LOTS, JEFF SMYSER Staff advised Gary Uhde of G. M. Development has requested that the City allow him to follow through on his plan for development of a portion of what is now Behm's Park. Staff is requesting Council direction. In 1999, the Council authorized selling 2.55 acres of the park t $75,000, which was to include the improvements to the par Resolution 99 — 50). The intent was to allow for the cre However, there was no guarantee that the City would the 2.55 acres. Staff summarized the history noting that Be 8.6 acres. The park area includes Lots 13, 1 City acquired these four (4) lots for par Apparently, the requirement that the agreement of those who dedicate evelopment for 16 — 99 and ) house lots. mg or development of cu ntly includes approximately 16, Block 2, Sunset Oaks. The warranty deed in December 1985. purposes was amended with the art of the 1999 actions described above. The City rezoned Lots 14, , 3, ' -1 in 1994 (Ordinance 15 — 94). Lot 13, the southern portion of the p not ' cluded in the rezoning action. Staff advised it is unclear as to why this of was, uded from the rezoning. In 1997, the City receive ap roval from the Metropolitan Council to allow the City to use part of its MUSA re e for the Behm's Century Farms development. The approved submittal map did not include Lot 13. That is, the southern part of Behm's Park was not included in the area where MUSA can be applied. Staff advised it is unclear why this lot was not included in the City's submittal. In order to provide for following through on the 1999 actions, three (3) actions would be needed: 1. Rezone Lot 13 Sunset Oaks to R-1. 2. Allocate 2.55 acres of MUSA reserve to the area to be sold to the developer. This would include approximately 0.52 acres outside of the area approved for MUSA. 3. Preliminary plat, with normal plat submittal from the developer. 19 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 8, 2000 Council Member Carlson stated the actions include allocating 2.55 acres of MUSA to what looks like a very small area. Staff advised MUSA is needed for all the new lots. Council directed staff to proceed with the staff recommendation and necessary actions. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, DAN TESCH Mayor Bergeson advised the next Comprehensive Plan work session will be Wednesday, November 15, 2000. REGULAR AGENDA, NOVEMBER 13, 2000 There were no changes to the regular agenda. Council Member Carlson reminded Council Members to bring co minutes to the Monday meeting. She added she received a lett Acres. The City Engineer advised that issue will be discusse Council Member Carlson inquired about the Par Council gave staff direction regarding that is will make copies of her notes for Council The City Planner advised staff is ex proposal is to perform a study re Mayor Bergeson stated the the old City Hall for $1.0 the reader board. of the meeting g Twilight on Pee. She stated she believes stag's she called other cities and d staff. a proposal from Mr. Brixius very soon. The ue. has requested to purchase the reader board sign at geson directed staff to inquire about the status of The meeting was adjou ed al 11:35 p.m. These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the regular Council meeting held on November 13, 2000. illazhatact Ry-Chel Gaustad, City Clerk 4IP John r>-rge sn, Mor Transcribed by: Kim Points, TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. 20