HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/22/2000 Council MinutesCITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION
CITY OF LINO LAKES
MINUTES
NOVEMBER 22, 2000
DATE : November 22, 2000
TIME STARTED : 5:30 p.m.
TIME ENDED : 8:40 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT : Council Member Carlson, Dahl, O'Donnell,
Reinert, and Mayor Bergeson
: None
MEMBERS ABSENT
Staff members present: Administration Director, Dan Tesch; City Engineer, John
Powell; Economic Development Director, Brian Wessel; Econo elopment
Assistant, Mary Divine (part); Environmental Specialist, M(part); Chief of
Police, Dave Pecchia (part); and City Planner, Jeff Smyse �k �►.< ``dner, Director of
Public Services
DELLWOOD LLC PRESENTATION, BRIA EL
Staff advised they have been working with
Rehbein property. Staff advised they can n
would like to build in Lino Lakes. St
timeline for the project. Target wo
Mr. Tom Palmquist, Ryan Co
broad overview of the pro
with City staff. Target wou
would be a Super Tar ith
for several months to develop the
y confuun that Target Corporations
a Permitting Process regarding the
ak ground in May, 2001.
e forward and stated he would like to give a
r questions. He stated he has enjoyed working
the lead retailer on the property. He stated the Target
1 service grocery.
Mr. Palmquist played a eotape that showed the look of a Super Target. He noted they
do not yet have formal a ecutive committee approval. He stated the following are the key
issues relating to the project:
1. Secondary curb cut on Lake Drive
2. The three (3) parcels to the north are not part of the project
3. Mitigation of wetlands
4. Screening needs
5. New Urbanism concepts
6. Continued work with staff on funding sources
Mr. Bill Whitrock, RSP Architects, came forward and referred to a drawing of the site as
it currently is laid out. He noted the smaller users have not yet been identified. He
advised that the blue on the drawing indicates a pedestrian walkway. He displayed
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another drawing pointing out the enhanced green space, parking areas, and pedestrian
pathway. He reviewed the proposed architectural design of the Target store noting how it
relates to the proposed design standards.
Mr. John Payton, Engineer for the project, came forward and reviewed an aerial map of
the site noting that because of the soils, three -(3) storm water pond site will be created.
He also reviewed the grading plan noting the sanitary sewer locations. He stated it is very
important to Target that they have two (2) accesses to the site.
Staff advised that a neighborhood meeting should be scheduled as soon as possible
because the border of 77th Street is critical. The neighborhood meeting is tentatively
scheduled for next month.
Council Member Carlson stated it appears that staff and the developer are working on the
issues related to the project. She stated she is anxious to hear the
Environmental Plan. She stated that this plan is different from
before. She asked if the developer is willing to agree to not
the site.
Mr. Palmquist advised the idea of a service station
current proposal does not include a service statio
not putting in a service station.
from the
ouncil has seen
ce station on
ssed with staff. The
he is willing to agree on
Council Member Carlson inquired abo h==veloper is looking for funding.
Mr. Palmquist advised he would + e working with staff to see if there are
funding sources to offset the c • • . no ` r aditional type development. He stated they
have not yet determined an c- def funding.
Council Member Car
businesses that the Cit
can visit.
d concern regarding tax incentives for the same type of
as. She asked for examples of development the Council
Mr. Whitrock stated he developed the Stillwater Target and Apple Valley Greatland. He
stated he also worked on the Midway Wards and Arden Hills ROTC Center.
Mr. Palmquist stated there are similar Targets under construction in Rochester,
Minnetonka and Chaska. The Shoreview Target will be expanding to a Super Target.
Council Member O'Donnell asked for comments on the traffic study. The City Engineer
stated the traffic study will look at the whole corridor down to the Town Center. The
study will address Target's request for another access. The Village area will also be
included in the study.
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Council Member Dahl asked how Anoka County feels about the traffic study. The City
Engineer advised the City initiated the study. The County has been contacted regarding
information and will receive a copy of the study. When a request for a right in access for
the McDonald's was received, the County indicated they were against that. The City has
had on going conversations with the County regarding this issue. If the study shows that
another access is functional, the County may allow it.
Council Member Reinert confirmed there will be a buffer and power lines on the north
end of Target. He recommended that the City pays attention to that and hopefully can
bury the power lines. He asked what will happen if a second access is not found.
Mr. Palmquist stated that he believes the City will not have a project if a second access is
not found. He stated two (2) entrances to the site are critical to the success of the project.
Council Member Reinert asked who is conducting the study. Staf
TKDA are conducting the traffic study. The developers are co
Mayor Bergeson stated the City is in the process of devel
stated that he knows Target has a commitment to qualj
important to the City. He stated that he believes th2 Cit
TOWN CENTER UPDATE, MARY ALI IN
ised the City and
to the cost.
tandards. He
n Center is very
get can work together.
Staff advised that at the last Council w • ;se • " proposed development and the
Town Center plan were discussed ed or direction regarding those issues. The
City has always felt that the Tow i i ould be a pedestrian and car friendly area,
that the two were not mutually,, ve. e design standards do not apply to the Target
development. However, T e ' s willing to upgrade from its prototype and
cooperate with the City.
Council Member Rein .� Tie believes Target is paying attention to the standards.
He stated he would like : m ve forward with the development.
Mayor Bergeson suggested the possibility of adapting the design standards to a different
concept. He stated the City does need some design standards in place for the site.
Council directed staff to move forward with the project and continue to negotiate with
Target.
Staff advised the City the Livable Communities committee has recommended that the
City of Lino Lakes should receive $450,000 for implementation, rather than the $1.5
million the city requested. Staff will look at what opportunities this funding will provide
for the City. Staff is meeting with Ms. Carolyn Krall next week regarding options to
move forward. The recommendation now will go to the committee at the Metropolitan
Council. Staff will continue to market this project.
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Council Member Carlson brought up the question of economic feasibility. She stated she
is interested in how the City will scale the project back. She stated that even if the City
received the $1.5 million, she isn't sure if the City could afford the project. She referred
to the design standards and noted developers are not buying the Tagg property. She
stated the Council needs to know the economic feasibility and what the City is agreeing to
with the $450,000, the Metropolitan Council and the Tagg's. Mr. and Mrs. Tagg need to
know what will happen with their property. She stated that she believes the City does
need some design standards. However, if the design standards are taken off the north site
they have to be taken off the southern property also.
Staff advised they will be discussing what will be required with the funding with the
Metropolitan Council.
Council Member Carlson stated the City has struggled not to raise
a copy of the City budget in the newspaper. She stated she is c
Staff advised the Metropolitan Council will not disburse
Council approves the Comprehensive Plan. The City
not the funds are accepted once it understands the
for use of the funds.
800 MHZ BOARD, DAVID PECCHIA
s. She referred to
about the dollars.
1 the Metropolitan
etermine whether or
ouncil's requirements
Staff advised Council Members prey J received a copy of the 800 MHz Study. The
study included a report on Public obile Radio System Planning in Anoka
County and Integration of Pub ` y a puter Based Systems in Anoka County. The
study indicates the City sho • • 800 -megahertz system. The cost of the system is
$12 million dollars with ', • lio o upgrade the fire service. Staff is talking to the
County about fundin _;, o • tion. include creating a separate taxing district, state funding
and Metro Radio Bo
Staff advised that as the ove forward with the County Board the Council will be
updated. The City has to make a commitment to the new system by 2003. The City is
also looking for legislative relief to offset the costs.
Mayor Bergeson asked if the current dispatch arrangement will change if the County
changes to the new system. Staff advised the current arrangement will not change. Staff
is meeting with the County Board again on November 29, 2000.
Council Member Reinert inquired about the current system, why it is inadequate, and the
benefits of the new system. Staff advised all those issues are included in the study. He
stated the current system was designed 20 years ago and there is not a 911 -center backup.
New radios and equipment will be needed for the current system. Currently, radios are
being used that they don't make parts for. The current system would require old VHF
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channels. There are only two (2) towers that have backup generators. Staff reviewed the
benefits of the new system noting it will give the City one emergency center.
Council Member O'Donnell stated that he learned through the meetings that the new
system is the only viable alternative for the County. The new system will impact the
citizens of Lino Lakes.
ANOKA COUNTY JOINT LAW ENFORCEMENT JOINT POWERS
AGREEMENT, DAVID PECCHIA
Staff advised Council Members previously received copies of the agreement. Staff stated
the agreement is a clean up issue. Staff commented on the benefits and changes in the
current agreement. The agreement has served the citizens of Lino Lakes very well.
This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Monday, November 27, 2000, 6:30
p.m.
CSAH 49 RECONSTRUCTION, JOHN POWELL
Staff advised that at the November 8, 2000, Council w.
stated that action on the CSAH 49 project would b . tak
Council meeting. The type and scope of action h
direction such that any necessary reports may
ouncil Members
ovember 27, 2000,
n c arified. Staff requested
d submitted to the Council.
Council Member Carlson stated that at 1. ` + g, she offered the following
options:
1. That the Lino L
2000, at the
ncil vote on option A-E on November 27,
cheduled Council meeting.
2. That - Cities ino Lakes and Shoreview and the Counties of Anoka
and R and work together to come to a compromise.
Council Member Carlso ° u stributed a copy of Resolution No. 00 —121 from the City of
Shoreview. She read the resolution that encourages a cooperative effort to work together
on this project. She suggested that the City of Lino Lakes use the same format and vote
on it Monday. She read the resolution as it was presented. She noted the City of
Shoreview did pass the resolution.
Council Member O'Donnell advised he is in support of the resolution. He expressed
concern regarding someone spearheading the initiative in the resolution.
Mayor Bergeson stated that the resolution should be forward to the County if it is
approved. The City should also ask for a response.
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Council Member Reinert asked where the action is in the resolution. He stated all four
(4) agencies should sign on with a schedule of meetings. Ramsey County should be
approached first. He stated the goal of having all four (4) agencies sign should be added
to the resolution.
Council Member Carlson stated that may invalidate the resolution if Anoka County won't
sign it. She asked for support to vote on the resolution as is except to change the name of
the City and add "to meet and" after the word encourage in paragraph 4 of the resolution.
The City Engineer advised MnDOT and the Metropolitan Council need to be a part of
this.
Council Member Carlson stated MnDOT and the Metropolitan Council can be involved.
The City can send them a copy of the resolution. She stated she would prefer that the
other two -(2) agencies were not tied into the resolution. The Court embers were
elected to represent the citizens.
Staff stated the City could designate someone from the C
Counties have to be at the meetings. The State and th
ultimately say what will happen with the project. S. aff
good direction for the City to take. However, thi
d meetings. The
Council can
joint meetings are a
y the process.
Council directed staff to add Council Memb 's proposal to the regular agenda
on Monday night.
Council Member Carlson express.. garding her proposal on voting on the
County's options for the proje stag°their proposal has not changed much. She
stated that appears as if the �' .<x - s with the plan. She stated her main concern is the
amount of right-of-way. auntyplan lan is for the road to be a reliever for the
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freeways. She stated e City e. s to let the County know it does not agree with the
options.
Mayor Bergeson stated t re may be a procedural difficulty relating to a vote on the
options. The Council needs to vote on an actionable item. He indicated he is not sure
than the City has a specific proposal to put on the agenda.
Staff advised the resolution can say that the Council has reviewed the options and do not
believe they meet the citizens needs. The City can request that more options are
presented that addresses all concerns.
Council Member O'Donnell expressed concern regarding voting on the options and the
impact that may have on the first resolution. A formal action on the options is not
necessary. He stated the four -(4) agencies should get together and develop a compromise.
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Council Member Carlson stated she does not agree. The County is not listening to the
City.
Council Member O'Donnell stated he still needs more information on the impacts of the
project to homes and businesses.
Council Member Reinert stated that he agrees that sometimes silence is acceptance. The
resolution is a formal action. The Council should pass the resolution and see how far it
goes with the four -(4) agencies working together. If the four -(4) agencies don't work
together, a vote could be taken on the County's options.
Mayor Bergeson expressed concern regarding telling the County that nothing they have
presented is acceptable. There are concepts within the options that the City needs to
consider.
Council Member Carlson proposed that the City indicate to the
reviewed the options and there concerns that we have dete
approve options of that size.
at they have
City can not
Council Member Reinert stated that at the last Cou cil eeti a did support a vote on
the options. However, there are new items that h .resented that include the
resolution and having the four -(4) agencies w -` ethers. The City needs to make every
effort to work things out. The resolution is :ood ion. The City needs to attempt to
get everyone involved together before a touthe .options is taken.
Council Member Carlson stated td to be voted on because a commitment
was made to the citizens.
Council Member O' Don . ' ed a 'dote on the options may show more division than
there really is.
Council Member Carls no ed the County has had two (2) weeks to obtain the requested
information on the impata She stated that if the City has a good faith comment from the
County she will delay the vote on the options for two (2) weeks.
Council Member O'Donnell stated he would like Anoka County to commit to the
resolution and work with everyone to come up with an acceptable plan.
Council Member Carlson stated the City needs to tell the County the options are not
acceptable.
Council Member Dahl stated she is in favor of the resolution. She stated the resolution
tells everyone involved that the City wants to work together. Voting on the options tells
the Council the City does not like the options. The options seem to indicate that the
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County has a different plan. The options are too large for this community. She stated the
language used can correctly convey the City's position.
Council Member O'Donnell suggested language be added to the resolution that indicates
the City is not in favor of the proposed options but the City does want to work together.
Council Member Carlson stated that if the correct language is added, she will hold off on
the vote. She stated a short statement should also be added.
Council directed staff to come up with language to include in the resolution that indicates
the Council does not agree with the options shown up to this point.
Council Member Carlson stated her key concern is that it is clear that the current options
are not acceptable.
Council Member Reinert suggested the City get on the Public 'ttee agenda to
discuss this issue.
This item will be on the regular Council agenda Mon
BLUEBILL PONDS ASSESSMENTS, JOHN
Staff advised this public hearing was contin
meeting. The feasibility report for this
responsible for all street constructio
Mar Don Acres lots. The develo
approach. City staff needs addi
Mar Don property owners.
r 27, 2000, 6:30 p.m.
the November 13, 2000, Council
ed Bluebill Ponds would be
u sing those for the roadway abutting the
evelopment, has objected to this
identify assessment options and contact the
Staff recommended t 's itemcsntinued to the December 11, 2000, Council meeting.
Council Member Carls •`re �" ested copies of the correspondence to the developer. She
expressed concern regarc g the process outlined in the City Charter and how the
developer has treated the citizens of Lino Lakes. She referred to the feasibility report and
commented on the assessments and how they were calculated. She stated she is
concerned about the legality of any other assessment options.
REGULAR AGENDA, NOVEMBER 27, 2000
There were no changes to the regular agenda.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
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These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the regular Council meeting held on
December 11, 2000.
Ry-Chel Gaustad, City Clerk
Transcribed by:
Kim Points
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
Jo ergeson, Mayor
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