HomeMy WebLinkAbout08/08/2001 Council MinutesCITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION AUGUST 8, 2001
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
CITY OF LINO LAKES
MINUTES
: August 8, 2001
. 5:30 p.m.
. 9:55 p.m.
: Council Member Carlson, Dahl,
Reinert, and Mayor Bergeson
: O'Donnell
Staff members present: City Administrator, Linda Waite Smith; Cit Engineer, John
Powell; Economic Development Director, Brian Wessel (part); ie `' Police, Dave
Pecchia (part); Community Development Director, Mike Grote ands' ity Planner, Jeff
Smyser (part)
WEST SHADOW PONDS
City Planner Smyser advised there are four (4)
night regular agenda: minor subdivision, rez
Reserve, and preliminary plat approval. He
lots and ownership, the proposed sub
preliminary plat. He referred to the
report.
Mayor Bergeson asked if
barricade. City Planner Sm
Planning and Zoning d
barricade at the north e
traffic on 62nd Street.
mg to this item on the Monday
R -1X, allocating 11 acres of MUSA
o the maps that show the existing
sequent ownership, and the
f approval that are listed in the staff
recommendation relating to the proposed
advised the staff recommendation is consistent with the
r endation. The recommendation includes having a
e roadway until 62nd Street is improved due to construction
City Engineer Powell stated the original recommendation was to extend West Shadow
Lake Drive to 62nd Street and reconstruct 62nd Street. The primary concern is pedestrian
traffic on 62nd Street. The City should proceed with the reconstruction of 62nd Street as
soon as possible. A compromise is to develop a trail on 62nd Street until it is
reconstructed. The cul-de-sac option was a compromise from the Planning and Zoning
Board. He indicated he would prefer to extend the roadway right away.
Council Member Dahl inquired about the cost of reconstructing 62nd Street. City
Engineer Powell advised the cost is approximately $1-2 million dollars per mile. The
street is a little less than a mile. Sewer and water would also have to be considered.
Assuming a contribution from the developer of about $2,000 per lot, a trail could be
constructed.
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Council Member Carlson inquired about the cost of sewer and water and asked if the
Bisel Amendment would be applied. City Engineer Powell advised he can not say what
the cost of sewer and water would be without conducting studies. The Bisel Amendment
would probably not be applied in this case because the utilities are not being extended
just to serve that subdivision. Trunk funds would be used to pay for the sewer and water
and would be reimbursed when connections are made.
Council Member Carlson asked if the Trunks Funds are being used for the Target/Kohl's
project. City Engineer Powell indicated he is not sure where the funds for that project are
coming from.
Council Member Carlson asked if it is reasonable to look at the costs from the Vicky
Lane/Nancy Drive project and assume the costs would be comparable. City Engineer
Powell stated the costs would be comparable without the restorati ;, . • sts.
Council Member Carlson stated individual property assess
Street due to the different lot sizes. City Engineer Powel
petitioned against such as in the Ware Road project.
unless they hook up or subdivide.
Council Member Reinert stated it seems that
options are to place a barricade on the north
trail on 62nd Street.
Council Member Dahl asked wh
Funds are used to reconstruct
would go forward for 2002
62nd Street. He reviewed
changes yearly.
e higher on 62nd
essments can be
d not have to pay
tions ave been answered. The
sh the road through and construct a
o the Elm Street project if State Aid
ty Engineer Powell advised Elm Street
on. Funds can be borrowed ahead for 2-3 years for
nds in the State Aid Fund noting the amount
Council Member Reine " ask= d if a condition should be placed on approval that states
construction traffic must ay on 62nd Street. City Engineer Powell advised the City
would have to work with the City Attorney to incorporate that into the approval. The
City has tried to do that before but enforcement is an issue. The north end of the roadway
could be blocked until the lots and houses are built. He noted that some State Aid Funds
may have to be used for streetscaping on the Hwy. 49 project.
Council Member Dahl asked if 62nd Street would be reconstructed if the project is not
approved. City Engineer Powell advised end Street would not be a high priority if the
project does not go through.
Mr. Jeff Hagen, 6207 Hollow Lane, stated he is baffled by the idea of the development.
He bought his home in this area because it is a low traffic area. A cul-de-sac is a better
idea for the project.
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Mr. Paul Nyberg, Red Maple Lane, stated safety is a big issue on 62nd Street, however,
pedestrian traffic is not the only issue. He asked the City Council to drive on 62nd Street
before a vote is taken. Reconstruction of 62nd Street should take place before the project
moves forward.
Mr. Tom Droe, Red Maple Lane, stated he was at the Planning and Zoning Board meeting
when this project was originally proposed. Tonight he is hearing a reversal of some ideas
relating to pushing the road through. Now he is hearing that the road should be pushed
through and a path constructed. The path is necessary because there will be more traffic
on 62nd Street. He referred to the path problems in Millers South Glen noting he does not
have much faith in paths. He stated he had originally brought up the idea of blocking the
road to the north and was told that is not a good idea. Pushing the road through is the
major block for the project. At all the meetings the idea of pushing the road through has
been received negatively. Hawthorne was built for traffic. At the
Engineer indicated West Shadow would be better for the const
the Council to remember what led to the decisions that were
meeting. West Shadow Lake Drive is a State Aid road
connected to County Road J. It is a mistake to not do
Street.
Rosemary Williams, 498 62nd Street, stated
distributed a copy of the petition noting she
signed the petition is opposed to the pr. ;. t.
Street. She stated she does not want
this project. She asked the Coun
another postponement of the v
Mr. Rehbein came forw
project will move fo
meeting the City
fic. He asked
at the last
as going to be
f a connection at 62nd
ed o whole thing. She
as don it three (3) times. Everyone who
already too much traffic on 62nd
Street. It would be obscene to approve
e petition again noting she does not want
er needs to be settled.
tate i''` e wants to sell some of his property and hopes the
Mr. Barry Rice, 6662 F R `'ad, stated he is opposed to any barriers because once they
are up it is tough to get t m removed. He stated the pedestrian path is a great idea. He
stated he wants the project to go through. He added there is more pressure on Birch
Street and more access is needed. He stated he does understand it is a difficult decision.
Mr. Brian Olson, 511 Hawthorne Road, came forward and distributed information and
stated there are concerns on both sides of this issue and he believes they are mirrored.
Traffic studies do not show conclusively that traffic will be increased on 62nd Street due
to this project. The traffic may actually decrease on 62nd Street and increase on West
Shadow Lake Drive. He referred to a letter that was sent by the Police Department and
Fire Department indicated they are supportive of the road connection. One hundred and
fifty six days have gone by since this project was first brought to the table. Many
residents knew nothing about it until January. He stated he is not against the project but
is against the barricade. He distributed another petition with an additional 24 signatures
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on it. He stated there is a requirement for State Aid roads that there are no dead ends. At
some point West Shadow Lake Drive will eventually have to be extended. He referred to
the Transportation Plan for the City noting it shows West Shadow being extended to 62nd
Street and County Road J. He added that 62nd Street is also proposed to extend to Holly
Drive. He stated he hopes the path compromise will work out. It is time to vote and
move on. He thanked staff for allowing him to come to the City and review all the
information.
Mr. John Teschendorf, 6208 Hollow Lane, stated he purchased his property because he
wanted to be in a nice quiet area with a good school district. He moved in last month. It
is ridiculous to borrow funds for a low priority street. He purchased his property because
it is in a quiet area. He asked the Council to drive down 62nd Street and notice it is too
narrow for a road and path. He questioned who will pay for the sewer and water. He
noted there will be too much traffic and he does not want the roadway to go through.
City Engineer Powell explained the City process used for fund wer and water.
Mr. Mark Lewis, 538 Hawthorne Road, thanked the Coui, it a 0 st .or all their work
on this issue. He stated the path is a good compromis .fs 11 has seen the
petition to push the roadway through. The barricasue. Drivers can choose
the route they take and all roads were meant to b •� Q• n. onsistency is another issue
and other streets within the City would then <. . arrica e. Roads are paid for by
taxes. The City Engineer came up with a g prop: al and everyone who signed the
petition wants the connection made. H k e e uncil to listen to those voices.
Ms. Susie Guthmueller, 642 Fox
concerned about getting on Bir
cause a pond in her baseme
be considered.
affic is an issue but she is also very
t. a elevation of the new development may
dicated the covenants are also an issue that needs to
Ms. Ann Carlson, 630 ° - .. , stated most of the discussion revolves around traffic
issues. The developme wi not solve the traffic problems in the area, it will just move
the traffic. The problem Hawthorne can be solved without West Shadow Lake Drive.
She inquired about comments from the Corps of Engineers. She asked the Council to
consider her issues: rezoning, Environmental Board/Standards, elevation of the roadway
and new homes, drainage issues, and the existing water table.
City Engineer Powell stated he has received a copy of the permit notice from the Corps of
Engineers.
Mayor Bergeson advised this issue will be considered on Monday, August 13, 2001, 6:30
p.m.
Mayor Bergeson adjourned the meeting to the Community Room at 6:30 p.m.
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Mayor Bergeson reconvened the meeting at 6:43 p.m.
TOWN CENTER UPDATE, BRIAN WESSEL
Update on Lino Lakes Marketplace — Economic Development Director Wessel advised
staff is recommending the Business Subsidy be continued to the August 27, 2001, City
Council meeting. Action will need to be taken August 27.
Mayor Bergeson stated the Council should think about scheduling another meeting before
August 27.
Council directed the City Administrator to speak to Council Members about scheduling
an additional meeting before August 27.
Community Development Director Grochala stated there are three (3 actions for Monday
night: PDO rezoning, preliminary development plan and preli t There are
modifications because the site plan has changed. More info on e PDO will be
distributed in the Friday updates. Many of the issues withk Watershed
District have been worked through. The preliminary p ons=with a PDO. He
referred to a copy of the preliminary plat, site plan an g plan -noting copies are
included in the staff report. There is a condition A • r. al r ating to the outlots.
Council Member Carlson stated a policy ne s to- stablished regarding when an item
should be sent back to the Planning and Zon Bo . • for review.
Community Development Director > iewed the changes that have been made
to the plan since the Planning . in . and reviewed it.
Council Member Dahl in
Community Development D
traffic in and out of th
e flow of truck traffic for Target and Kohl's.
tor Grochala referred to a map and showed the flow of
Council Member Carlso` . tated the new access will change the traffic flow. She asked if
residents in the area can e notified. Community Development Director Grochala stated
residents can be notified if Council directs staff to do so. The plan is a preliminary plat
and final plat approval will be necessary probably in October.
City Administrator Waite Smith stated it would be very difficult to get notices out
tomorrow.
Community Development Director Grochala noted notices will go out with the feasibility
study. A public hearing will be held on the PDO.
Mayor Bergeson stated residents are affected but probably more affected are the business
owners. A packet can be sent out to the business owners.
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Council Member Dahl inquired about the park dedication fee. Community Development
Director Grochala advised there will be one fee for the entire development.
Economic Development Director Wessel stated a productive meeting was held on
Tuesday regarding the JADT negotiation. A re-evaluation of the property will have to be
done. He reviewed the McDonald's project noting the building is a retro design.
Council Member Reinert asked if the City has received the bottom line from Ryan and if
the City should make a counter offer. Economic Development Director Wessel stated he
believes the City has received the bottom line from Ryan and the City could make a
counter offer.
Council Member Reinert stated he has a problem with an eight -(8) year abatement, $1.4
million dollars, and $70,000 of existing tax base. He stated that at this point, that is too
much for the City.
Council Member Carlson indicated she agrees with Council M 'ber nert. An eight -
(8) year abatement is really fourteen years. Those dollars an .Ie=.d fo_''other things.
The Council needs to know what the City has committed in�e �a�e.
City Administrator Waite Smith stated staff is puttipg teeth ` ew Five -Year Plan that
includes infrastructure and road reconstruction.
Mayor Bergeson stated staff could provide i orma n relating to financial commitments
the City has already made.
City Engineer Powell noted the C' • ' " f tted $1 million for the interchange in
2006.
Council Member Reinert
being asked for $1.4 .sllion
the background of ho
financial request.
ification on how the City got in the position of
s. Community Development Director Grochala gave
mpanies and the City reached the point of the current
Council Member Carlson requested an explanation of the costs.
Economic Development Director Wessel stated staff will continue to negotiate with Ryan
regarding tax abatement.
This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Monday, August 13, 2001, 6:30 p.m.
Update on Village — Economic Development Director Wessel stated the City is at the
bottom of the list for submitting an application for the Livable Communities Grant.
Originally, the City was not even on the list. The City does have a development team for
the City owned portion of the project that will include design standards. An application
will be submitted in September 2001.
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Council Member Carlson asked if the design standards will apply to the Tagg property.
Economic Development Director Wessel stated the standards will apply to the Tagg
property if Ross Fefercorn develops the land.
STEVE POSER GARAGE, DONNA CARLSON
Mr. Steve Poser, 6180 Ware Road, distributed a packet of information that included a
summary regarding his request, photos, letters of support from neighbors and a plot map.
He indicated he will be requesting a variance for an accessory building. He gave the
history of this issue noting he believed he owned 1 and 1/3 acres.
Council Member Carlson stated at one point Mr. Poser was told to go ahead with his plan
and he cut down trees. He was then told to stop because he does not have enough land.
Mr. Poser is looking for Council direction but understands he must,: • through the
Planning and Zoning Board.
City Engineer Powell noted at this point there is no a staf tion.
Mayor Bergeson stated it is unfortunate that the ap. is t go' impression to go ahead
from staff However, all residents have to go thr �-City process to apply for a
variance.
Mayor Bergeson advised that based on is p that the lot is short, he would
support the variance. He would ques • the . +"'ding could come closer to the location
requirement. He noted he would •�+t a staff recommendation and
recommendation from the P1 ng Board.
Council Member Carlson
last variance granted. More
and Zoning Board tha
es not see this variance as big of a problem as the
rmation may be presented from staff and the Planning
e to be considered.
Council Member Reine . N tated the variance request is worth a shot but there is no
guarantee.
Council Member Dahl stated she does not have a problem with the variance but would
want to see the driveways connected.
CENTENNIAL (CIRCLE PINES) GAS FRANCHISE PAYMENT FOR 2001,
LINDA WAITE SMITH
City Administrator Waite Smith distributed a memo regarding the Circle Pines Utilities
Franchise Fee. The memo indicated that staff has suggested the Council may want to
consider a cap on the 2001 franchise revenue collected from Centennial customers.
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION AUGUST 8, 2001
The Finance Director has recommended that if a cap is implemented, it should be set at
$56,000, which is the same amount collected by the utility in 2000 and received by the
City in 2001.
Mayor Bergeson stated the fee is based on revenue and not volume. He indicated he
would be in favor of an amount based on volume with inflation increases.
Council Member Carlson stated a cap could be put in place for a one-year term and then
consider Mayor Bergeson's suggestion.
Council directed staff to prepare a resolution indicating a one-year cap will be placed on
the gas franchise fee.
This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Monday, August 13, 2001, 6:30 p.m.
JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT WITH SHOREVIEW F ER SYSTEM
CONNECTION AND SERVICE, JOHN POWELL
City Engineer Powell distributed a copy of a proposed • i >'z we ater Agreement
between Lino Lakes and the City of Shoreview. Th pr"•os=nudes installing a water
meter to distinguish water usage between the two
City Administrator Waite Smith referred to . ge 5; d asked that the term "City
Manager" be changed to "City Adminis to
This item will appear on the regul nda Monday, August 27, 2001, 6:30 p.m.
REGULAR AGENDA, A 3, 2001
Item 4B, Cap on Gas Franchi ee, was added to the agenda.
City Administrator W
with the City Council on
litigation.
th advised the City Attorney has requested a closed meeting
onday, August 13, 2001, 6:00 p.m., to discuss possible
Council directed staff to schedule a closed meeting on Monday, August 13, 2001, 6:00
p.m.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:00 p.m.
These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the regular Council meeting held on
September 10, 2001.
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