HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/07/2001 Council Minutes (2)CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 7, 2001
DATE
TIME STARTED
TIME ENDED
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
CITY OF LINO LAKES
MINUTES
: November 7, 2001
. 6:05 p.m.
. 10:10 p.m.
: Council Member Dahl, Carlson,
Reinert and Mayor Be
: None
Staff members present: City Administrator, Linda Waite S th;
Powell; Chief of Police, Dave Pecchia (part); Community
Michael Grochala; Economic Development Assistant, Mary
Planner, Jeff Smyser; and City Clerk, Ann Blair
REPORT ON CLOSED MEETING,
GROCHALA
It was noted that the Ramsays and the
MATTER, MIKE
sent to discuss this issue.
YMCA REQUEST FOR ADDIT LAND, - RY ALICE DIVINE AND
MIKE GROCHALA
Economic Development As
requesting a gift of an ad
Economic Development
is approximately
Approximately
a total of appr
unity Develo
e City
ted a copy of a letter from the YMCA
for the project.
eviewed the history of the project noting there
he north that could be used for the YMCA.
foot" ded for the City to break even. The City owes
lion for = e land.
tor Grochala stated staff is working on a budget to
y for the additional acreage. Staff needs to have a meeting
e plan and determine what amenities are really
nec
Counci ber Reinert stated he needs an evaluation of the finances before the City can
look at th''ssibility of additional acreage.
Mayor Bergeson inquired about the timeline of the YMCA relating to a decision about
the additional acreage.
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A representative of the YMCA stated they do need some direction from the Council.
YMCA needs to know if more dollars will need to be raised to pay for the additional
acreage.
The
Councilmember O'Donnell stated he thought the impact analysis done by Sp
not take the three (3) additional acres into consideration. Economic Develo
Assistant Divine stated the impact analysis used the net amount of saleabl
right-of-way, open space, et al were taken out.
Councilmember O'Donnell indicated he would like that informat
Springsted. He stated the Council has to look into the future for
he does not want the City to put a facility in that can not expand
the YMCA has a lot of impact on the other properties that 1 d
Another representative for the YMCA stated the most recent
8-9 acres and do not have enough room to expand. two -(2) . ry facility were
considered additional funding would be necessary.
did
stated
Also,
te.
ities built have been on
Ms. Kim Sullivan, resident of Lino Lakes, as
been moved to this side of the freeway. Ms
the north side of the freeway in the Target
side. Ms. Sullivan also indicated that
possibility of 9.3 acres for the project
started that the YMCA would need
asked that the Council take another loo
dollars per household again.
Mayor Bergeson stated
now and for future years.
needs to have a meet' x wi
financial aspect o
ivine sta
elopment,
ussions
he stat
residential development has
e housing was eliminated on
b; -:wasn't "added" to the south
ut this project included the
ery clear when the project
nal expansion space to be successful. She
e commitment that has been made for
does have a commitment to the YMCA for
working on what that commitment is. Staff
d the Council will continue to discuss the
A representati �� m the YM noted approximately $5 million dollars has been
secured for the prol The ' o is $6.5 million.
,stated ate on this project should be scheduled every 30 days.
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MOLIN CONCRETE AMENDED CUP, IUP, BUILDING & SITE P mom , MIKE
GROCHALA
Results of Noise Test — City Planner Smyser distributed a copy of the reso
passed on 10/22/01, the Noise Monitoring Results contracted by the City,
the noise results conducted by a company hired by Molin. He noted that th
states the amended CUP, amended IUP and site plan shall not be in of ect un
analysis is performed to test compliance with MPCA noise stand
shows no violations of those standards.
Mr. Steve Platisha, SBP Associates, reviewed the monitori
monitoring on this project. He indicated the plant was not
Minnesota Standards during the monitoring periods at the 49
monitoring location.
There was a steady source of noise present durin
was not present during the 10/11 or 10/22 mo
location. The source of this steady noise co
Molin plant since no other significant stead
noise source did cause a violation of t
In addition to the I35 -W noise and
received noise from local traffic and
sources in the area. Forklift t
10/17. The noise is above t
if operated before 7:00 a
d all the
f the
eenwoi • nve
oring periods that
'ods at the 388 Thomas Street
inted, but was likely from the
e identified in the area. The
not be pit
oise sourc
e stand.
tilled noirsource, this monitoring location also
obile equipment and other non -steady noise
g on the western edge of the site
e standards and would cause'a violation
Councilmember Carlson aske
Mr. Platisha stat + e wan • • test
locations are r ` entative o e closes
sting sites were chosen.
sidence that is close to the facility. Both
sidence to the facility.
ilmember 0 .+ ed if the noise from the forklifts is from normal operation.
the engine noise and is from normal operation.
Mr. olin came forward and stated he had received the report from Staff and
review . There was no specific corrective action that was recommended. Therefore,
he also h • besting done so the noise could be pinpointed and corrected.
Mr. Tim Colliton, Wench Associates, introduced himself and gave his background. He
stated the nighttime violation that was determined was based on an estimation of noise
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from the freeway. Therefore, additional tests were conducted to determine the actual
source of the noise.
Mr. Colliton stated that based on his measurements, the normal plat operat do not
exceed 50 dBA. The background noise in the area ranged from 45 to 47 dB an
average of 46 dBA. Therefore, the facility contribution to the measured noise = st 47
dBA.
Other staged, non -normal activities ranged greater than 50 dBA. The aver
exceeded 50 dBA for two stated forklift operations near the west fence. d
measurement location.
The nature of the noise variation is "tight", usually within a 5 • ®° rangy A c iervative
assumption that the top of the measured range approximate he g the so level
population shows that the contribution from the facility is v' Belo l; gime noise
limit.
Councilmember O'Donnell stated it seems that the . 1. g a problem if run
in certain areas and at certain times.
Councilmember Carlson stated she wants th ® aft mmu ` R from the meeting and listen to
the tape relating to the statement that a noissst be done an independent company.
Mr. Molin stated he had additional t- done 9 ® int the noise while excluding
the freeway traffic.
Mr. Platisha stated that in hip $ Mol A '; d the noise tests when the forklifts are
running.
Mr. Tom Molin stated tha nclosed gilding would help eliminate those noise
problems.
Councilmember d abo o - additional noise source noted when testing
was done on
tisha stated ho ' ' are of any other noise source other than Molin. There
eside oise at the time the testing occurred.
Councilser Dah inquired about the type of testing that was done and expressed
conce t both tests were not the same type of tests.
City Plann Smyser stated the differing results of the noise test are not a surprise. The
point is tha il, ' ere are noise problems especially with the forklifts. Mr. Molin has
suggested moving the loading area and having the gantry system loading so forklifts are
not used as much. Smyser asked if there is a way to know that the forklifts will not be
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used before 7:00 a.m. when the gantry system is put in place. He suggested staff work
with Molin and bring Council a revised resolution to include language relating to that
issue. He noted it is hard to address the other noise issue when it has not been identified.
Staff does believe the new building will reduce some noise on the site and = conditions
of approval will also help reduce the noise.
Presentation by Doug Miller — Mr. Miller came forward and stated the e
tests were done was 5:52 a.m. The biggest problem is 5:00 — 6:00 a.m. an
little freeway noise at that time. No monitoring was done of the east side o
where the shuttle lift is operating. He stated he has conducted noise to is als
are some days the tests show excessive noise and on some days
believes the unidentified noise is the shuttle lift. The operation
weeks so that is why there was no noise on 10/22. Molin did th
stated he has contacted the MPCA noise program coordina be
monitoring system for the violations and the source of the
determined. The MPCA has indicated they are available to t
and provide equipment to the City to monitor the no's _ee of
thought the hours of operation had changed and tha
however, operating before 6:00 a.m. Enforcem
operation are needed.
or two
day. He
s to be a
e
the Po ice Department
ge. He added he
Molin is still
a rie a d strict hours of
e
Another resident stated two petitions have ; provided 'the City Council over the last
four years.
Another resident stated she does no'er'stand why this is still an issue. She asked
when it is going to stop and stated restri .= A ours of operation are necessary.
Another resident stated she
the City. The new opera
additional truck noise and
worse if Molin cont
Community Dev
outside opera
Molin did not re
o: permit bed
is b making their promises to the residents and
ease the noise problems. There will be
ew building. The noise will continue to get
tor G a stated Molin did inform City Staff that the
gain because they could not proceed with the expansion.
he noise reports but they were told they could not obtain
e results of the tests. He referred to the hours of operation
and Zoning Board and noted the changes that were made
s of operation will go into effect when the conditional
obtained. The outside concrete -pouring activity must be eliminated when
ding is completed. Measurements over the course of an hour must be taken
e if the noise limits are being exceeded. He suggested the operations on the
the site be limited relating to forklifts. He added the conditions of approval
duce the noise.
at
use
the ne
to determi
west side,
will help to
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Mayor Bergeson stated the City needs resolution to the sound issue before the resolution
adopted can be put into effect. The solution is modifications to the equipment and hours
and areas of operation have to be limited.
Councilmember Reinert stated the nighttime rules are being violated. The
shuttle are too noisy and the City has to concentrate on that. The City can also.
some of the suggestions made by Mr. Miller.
and
ain
Mr. Molin stated the proximity, how many and how often things are run on
is the issue. He stated he can work on making sure the outer edge has
move the operation further from the west side.
Councilmember Reinert stated the City has to make sure the rel : do ; 'll so = the
problem.
Councilmember O'Donnell stated the noise test did fail and t $ cans th y can continue
to work as they are today. That does not solve the pro® ems fo e residents. He stated
he believes the proposal will help the situation and tCL - . move forward. He
indicated he agrees that ongoing testing and enf.,, ent is ne + A solution has to be
found. The CUP needs to be put in place to e the noise from the forklifts
and outside shuttle lifts.
Mayor Bergeson stated Molin needs t
"subject to" in the approved resoluti
believe the City can legally grant th
removed.
Community Development
the Council that adds co
Mayor Bergeson ask
Councilmember
to liquor come
or the City must remove the
and put 1 : ;g y guage. He stated he does not
until the condition of approval is passed or
la stated Staff can bring another resolution to
t Council meeting.
ember Dah
til th
tate noise standards.
d if `` : , .ce Chief can do random noise checks similar
at shoul'also be included into the revised conditions.
olin can hold up the shuttle lift operation in good faith
facility is built.
Mr - hnfed the s 'uttle lift operation will be stopped when the permit is received.
The rep `` ntative from Molin indicated they are agreeable to a condition in the revised
resolution at states the operation of the shuttle lift will not occur until after 7:00 a.m.
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Council directed Staff to provide a new resolution with additional conditions to address
noise issues prior to 7:00 a.m. and will include regular compliance checks. Staff will
make a copy of the new resolution available to residents by 3:00 p.m. on Friday.
This item will appear on the regular Council agenda Tuesday, November 1
p.m.
Mayor Bergeson called for a short recess at 8:35 p.m.
Mayor Bergeson reconvened the meeting at 8:40 p.m.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE MIKE GROCHALA
Community Development Director Grochala advised the Ci
Metropolitan Council listing incomplete items. Staff has b
anticipates the additional information will be completed by n
information relates to issues such as housing, open s . ce and p a and trails plans,
surface water management plan and the transportati
, 6:30
from the
and
week. " additional
Staff is also meeting with the Metropolitan
outstanding issues. City Staff took staff fro
City last week.
Community Development Director Ql
have been 185 permits issued this
built over the next two (2) years. Staf
residential plats until the Coni
eek to discuss any other
tan Council on a tour of the
s of November 5, 2001, there
he currenu i -built lot total is 403 homes to be
osing a moratorium be placed on new
d new ordinances are in place.
Mayor Bergeson asked w
the Comprehensive Plan.
Metropolitan Council as
submitted.
City Adminis
how the City wi
tan Council will get back to the City regarding
elopment Director Grochala stated the
nd to the Plan when all the information is
stated e' ey concern of the Metropolitan Council is
new homes per year.
d if the 147 homes to be built per year can be used as a
pp is ons. City Planner Smyser advised the subdivision
ordi be bas - d on that statement in the plan.
Comm g Development Director Grochala stated the moratorium ordinance requires a
public he g and two (2) readings. Staff would like to schedule the public hearing for
the Decem ® `Planning and Zoning Board meeting.
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Councilmember Reinert stated he wants an estimated beginning and end time that
includes a list of what needs to be accomplished during the moratorium.
Councilmember O'Donnell inquired about the impact of the moratorium o Village.
Mayor Bergeson stated he will probably vote against the moratorium because
regarding the psychological impact on possible business development.
Councilmember Reinert asked if there is another way to accomplish what
to accomplish without a moratorium.
Community Development Director Grochala stated a moratori s the • : st st way
to accomplish what the City needs to accomplish. There will be bl' atio`'; ork
involved with the moratorium and Staff, Council and all Ci Bo n the
same page relating to development requirements. The Co
responsibility of being consistent and discouraging developm "° from going around staff.
Community Development Director Grochala stated
the Council to review at the next Council work s
Councilmember Reinert stated he would al
with the draft ordinance.
UPDATE ON CSAH 49 RECONSTRUCTI
City Engineer Powell distributed a me
49 neighborhood meeting hel
discussion that was held at
relating to the context sensi
draft ordinance for
relations plan to be presented
POWELL
Richard Thompson regarding the CSAH
ber 29, 2001. The memo outlined the
e meeting schedule and comments made
A discussion was held by the
Mr. Thompson, th
Ramsey County
neighborhood,
arding the guidelines of the design roadway.
arameters of the project. It was noted that
do not want to be involved with the
or Bergeson as are plans to put in City sewer along with the project. City
11 advise. e : City does plan to put in City sewer and water but that issue
roadway meetings. Another meeting is being held later
the ' ty reg ding the design standards.
thi
Ms. He's , resident of Lino Lakes, stated it was indicated to her that someone from
Ramsey E my will be attending the next meeting. It was also indicated to her that the
context sen live design is a possibility for the roadway north of Birch.
City Engineer Powell stated there is the concern of putting the whole project out there and
asking to reduce the speed limit along the whole roadway. MnDOT may take an all or
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nothing approach. That issue will be discussed with MnDOT before a formal request is
made.
Councilmember Carlson stated she has heard that residents are not getting
because they do not feel that their concerns are being taken seriously and th
being too strict about their guidelines for the roadway. City Engineer Powell
is a problem with the process because the property owners are not committ
County does have guidelines it has to follow that relate to safety.
e involved
ty is
ere
Councilmember Reinert stated he is disappointed at where the roadway;s at
time. He stated he will wait until he sees the proposed roadway d
decision.
Community Development Director Grochala stated there arm thre :option ` the
roadway: leave it as it is, piecemeal the project or do the w
have to determine which option to take.
DISCUSS OFF -SALE LIQUOR LICENSES,
City Clerk Blair advised the City has been re
sale liquor licenses. There is currently no li
City can issue, but many cities do choose to
potential new businesses and also exis b
ity will
sa
regarding the availability of off-
er of off -sale licenses the
e inquiries are coming from
City.
City Clerk Blair noted many cities
way. She requested Council direction
applications. She added the
(3) on -sale.
ose to res
Council directed staff to p
off -sale licenses that can be
information abou
presented at a Co
c the number of licenses in some
ted the City has not yet received any new
ven (7) off -sale liquor licenses and three
nance that includes a limit on the number of
he City. The Council also requested
arding this issue. The information will be
ember.
Councilmember . nnell a d for information relating to tobacco shops also.
Ite
VEMBER 13, 2001
Conc " e was . s ded to the agenda.
Item 8
the agen
onsideration of October 22, 2001, City Council Meeting Minutes was added to
The meeting was adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
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These minutes were considered, corrected and approved at the regular Council meeting held on
December 17, 2001.
Ann Blair, CJty Clerk
Transcribed by:
Kim Points
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