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AMENS - n APPi OVECD: 07125/66 established development that has no need for bike trails. Lake Elmo Avenue is wide enough and near _ enough for biking. She said she does not want the trail in a private neighborhood. Scott Johnson Mr. Johnson said he agrees with Ms. Bernier. He does not need or want a trail in their neighborhood, He said the map does not even show where the trail is proposed, Ann Bucheck, 2301 Legion avenue Ms. Bucheck asked for an "off-street" versus "on -street" definition. She told the commission that a petition was presented to the Parks Commission saying she and her neighbors did not want a trail in their neighborhood. New neighborhoods pay for the trail system and expect to move in near one. She said it should be a private trail system or the liability will be on the city. The consultant must not have walked the land in her neighborhood because the east side has drainage ditches and on the west side are wetlands and ultimately a pond. The trail should not go down 206 Street next to an archery range. The northern portion drops off considerably. She said it is not a good place for a trail. Rolf Larson Parks Commissioner Larson explained that the Trails Plan is an open document not written in stone. It night be 15 to 20 years to build it. The plan tries to connect destinations. This is very much a concept, and in developed areas it will be agreeable to neighbors. Linda Wagner The Parks Commission looked at destinations and where residents wanted to go. Of all the destinations, Sunfish should be a destination. It does not have to be a thoroughfare. That should be a consideration for someone wanting to walls a dog or take a bike ride to have Sunfish as a destination. All the trails that are in Lake Ehno are not yet on the map such as Reid Park and Sunfish Park, she said that those trails could still be added. Gay Van Pelt Mrs. Van Pelt said her husband rides on his bike all over the City. She said trails on streets are not for kids. Lake Elmo Avenue and Manning Avenue are nice for teens and adults. She said she does not want trails to cut through established neighborhoods. She Iives on Lisbon. 5 homes on Legion have setbacks of 35 feet or less. She asked if off -road means snowmobiles. Joan Durand Ms. Durand said she has a home on 20d` and Legion Avenue and'wants nobody on her property. She is also concerned for liability. Don Mattison, 2359 Legion Mr. Mattison said they have a water problem in his neighborhood. They have always had a water problem there. He does not want a trail 30+/- feet from his house. Mary Kloetzke, 2415 Lisbon Avenue North Ms. Kloetzke is concerned for traffic. She is against the trail in her neighborhood. Susan Dunn, 11018 Upper 33rd Street Mrs. Dunn said she is against having a paved trail in Sunfish Lake Park. There should be no thoroughfare through Sunfish Lake Park. It should be preserved and protected from bikes and ATVs. Dennis Kelly, 4233 Kindred Way Mr. Kelly said there is a major flaw in the concept of the trail system. He said it is all local traffic in his neighborhood. The trail system puts thoroughfares through people's neighborhoods. There should be just a few arteries. Security is a concern for him. Lake Elmo Planning Connnission Meeting Minutes of July 11, 2005