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A n fi Y Lj �r� tJl� r4PPROV'ED, 2/13/06 probably fit in with the natural setting in the AG Zone but we have to address these other factors. We have CUP s in the AG zone such as greenhouses, kennels, and stables. We would want conditions established in advance for wedding receptions so everyone knows what to expect. M/S/P, Armstrong/Ptacek to direct staff to come back with a draft ordinance in the next few weeks. The Planner said he will investigate how this use is regulated in Stillwater. He agreed with Commissioner Armstrong about it needing to be a Conditional Use. VOTE: 9:0. Drive-up/Drive-through Facilities for Table Service Restaurants in the GB Zone The Planner introduced the request for a minor site plan modification for a drive -up window at Gorman's Restaurant. The City Code says restaurants with table service are all that are permitted in the GB Zone. Council agreed that clause was designed to preclude fast food restaurants in the City. The Council sustained the administrative decision to deny Mr. Gorman's request but directed that the Planning Commission review the Code to determine if it could be modified to allow a drive -up window without violating the original ordinance intent. The Planner believes it can. Oakdale's ordinance distinguishes fast food from classic restaurants. Order boards differentiate them partly because of lights and attendant noise. Commissioner Van Zandt said Applebee's and Chili's car side to go is a successful model because you would not want to order food and then wait for it. The order must be placed in advance. He said this presents convenience for young parents and elderly people. He thinks there is a need for it in the City as long as it is controlled. The Planner said Oak Park Heights addresses bank drive -up facilities very well. They must have room for stacking of automobiles on -site. There is room at Gorman's but there would not be room at the Lake Elmo Inn or Twin Points. Mr. Gorman said he wants a limited menu board of coffees and ice cream cones. He would face it to the south with a 70 db squawk box. Commissioner Armstrong said that makes it more difficult for the Planning Commission to accommodate the request. Commissioner Armstrong said an intercom and menu board would prohibit it. Commissioner Pelletier is against any kind of intercom, menu board, or drive -up window. She suggested car side to go. Chairman Helwig agreed. Commissioner Lyzenga asked about a walk-up window instead. A Straw Poll was conducted to see which commissioners would be in favor of a menu board/intercom system. 0: menu board/intercom system. Another Straw Poll was conducted for car side to go versus a drive -up window. 5: drive up window without menu or intercom. 9: car side to go. A Straw Poll was taken to determine if the Planning Commission would like to take up this matter. All 9 commissioners agreed. M/S/P, Ptacek/Deziel to direct staff to draft an ordinance allowing window service without a menu board and without an intercom system allowing this type of use of a restaurant in the GB Zone. VOTE: 7:2 Nay - Lyzenga/Pelletier, Lyzenga expressed concern about getting cars to the window in an orderly fashion. Pelletier is worried about a negative precedent. PASSED. Lake Elmo Planning commission Meeting Minutes of January 23, 2006 3